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Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

Know what the problem the Messiah Worshippers are having with this Gates issue?

That's right.

They can't admit to themselves that anyone with the holiness of black skin can be a racist. They truly believe racist is a genetic flaw of white skin.
 
Yes.

Anyone wasting their life and the lives of their students with some economically pointless and socially useless program of study like "African American Studies" is a professional turd.

That college got a course called "White Boy Studies"?

Nope.

True story.

I once walked in to the "Black Student Union" and asked for directions to the "White Student Union" at our local community college. Twenty minutes later, I was summoned out of class to go speak with a school administrator. I was asked to not create any racial disturbances. I was like "wtf?" :confused: I'm not the one who created a "Black Student Union." One would think that on a campus comprised of 70% African-Americans, the whites would be in more need of a student union, but noooooo.

Can you imagine what would happen if there was a room designated as the "White Student Union?" All hell would break loose. So, where's the REAL racism coming from in that situation?
 
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Know what the problem the Messiah Worshippers are having with this Gates issue?

That's right.

They can't admit to themselves that anyone with the holiness of black skin can be a racist. They truly believe racist is a genetic flaw of white skin.

And you are a pathological liar. You've proven this on many issues.
 
And when Crowley turned to walk away, Gates could have put a knife in his neck, too.

Oh oh oh I'll play!!!!!!!!

But also Crowley could have handcuffed Gates to a light pole and stuck a pistol in his mouth and shot him, and the crowd could have burned Gates house down, and and and then.........:rofl
 
And you are a pathological liar. You've proven this on many issues.

Uh, no.

I see you won't admit that Gates is a racist.

Go ahead, prove my statement wrong, say Gates is a racist.

Then defend your support of a racist.
 
I believe it's possible that this racist wants to move on because someone who is actually intelligent got to the dummy and told him he was open to the law suit hinted at by the Sgt. who busted the mouthy jerk.
In the court of public opinion only extreme racists came down on his side and even that began to go away when Obama was inundated with with messages pointing out that he, Obama was also a racist.

Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

Gates: You're not the boss of me!
Crowley: I am the boss of you.
Gates: You are not the boss of me!
Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how — by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.
 
Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

Gates: You're not the boss of me!
Crowley: I am the boss of you.
Gates: You are not the boss of me!
Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how — by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.

I thought you left because we were all racist. :lol:
 
Uh, no.

I see you won't admit that Gates is a racist.

Go ahead, prove my statement wrong, say Gates is a racist.

Then defend your support of a racist.

These are just a few of my thoughts on our dear friend Prof. Gates.

Is Gates a race baiter? I think that's pretty much obvious.

And let me reiterate...Gates is a loud mouthed, race baiting douche bag.

What will the tape show? That Gates was a complete douche bag? We already know that.

The only thing I think the tapes will show is that Gates was in fact a complete asshole.

I haven't "supported" Gates at all.

You're pissed that I've recently crushed so many times in these little tiffs we've had. Maybe if you actually read the threads and their citations you might not trip up so much.
 
In this particular case, there were how many police ?
How many Gates ?
Obstruction of "justice" ??
What "justice" ?
If I were Gates, I'd be very angry, and very embarrassed...and I'd still expect to be treated with respect, not as a common criminal.
We need better police...

Gates didn't want to cooperate with the investigation. That's obstruction of justice. It's the same thing that Scooter Libby was sent to prison for. All Scooter did was refuse to answer a couple of questions.
 
Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

Gates: You're not the boss of me!
Crowley: I am the boss of you.
Gates: You are not the boss of me!
Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how — by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.

I've essentially made the same argument about the arrest in numerous threads. Almost exactly the same argument. I bet this guy read my posts!

:rofl
 
Uh, no.

I see you won't admit that Gates is a racist.

Go ahead, prove my statement wrong, say Gates is a racist.

Then defend your support of a racist.


What proof do you offer that he is a racist?

The only thing the arrest proves is that he was tired and moody after a long trip. And that 'disturbing the peace' can mean anything the cops want it to mean. That's the beauty of 'disturbing the peace' statutes. They're a license for cops to arrest anyone who pisses them off.

BTW--I'm not sure I'd say the cop was a racists--just a bitter cop who likes to be a dick sometimes and flex his muscles and show rich people who's boss. Never met one of those before...:roll:


:yawn:
 
Gates didn't want to cooperate with the investigation. That's obstruction of justice. It's the same thing that Scooter Libby was sent to prison for. All Scooter did was refuse to answer a couple of questions.

You have perverted understanding of what constitutes obstruction of justice then. Ever heard of the "right to remain silent?" Ever heard of the Fifth Amendment? Not wanting to cooperate with the investigation does not constitute obstruction of justice.

Please, prove your case before the DP jury.

If you can.
 
Im sure you would be reasonable in that situation.Doesent change the fact they dragged a man out his own house and arrested him.Was that really in the public interest?


Wow, where did you get your 'facts' from?

Nobody dragged him out of his house, he followed the officer cursing and screaming and was warned multiple times before being arrested for acting like a fool in public.

Know what the **** you are talking about before you open your mouth.

Also, I pray the police allow someone to break into your house and not bother to question him if they catch him, other than to say, "do you live here?" "okay, have a good day".
 
Personally, I think both Gates and the officer acted wrongly.
But IMHO the Officers actions were more egregious, in that they resulted in an official Arrest Record.




He was acting like a common criminal, why shouldn't he have been treated like one?
No he wasn't. He was acting like an asshole. Get your facts straight.
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All that was required for that turd to be arrested was for him to continue his tirade in a public place, like from his front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.

Yeah.
Something is very wrong with what the Officer did.
 
You have perverted understanding of what constitutes obstruction of justice then. Ever heard of the "right to remain silent?" Ever heard of the Fifth Amendment? Not wanting to cooperate with the investigation does not constitute obstruction of justice.

Please, prove your case before the DP jury.

If you can.

the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice.

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ask and you shall recieve. Didn't you used to be a cop?
 
In my opinion it is.
The police were wrong for over-reacting, and for taking action based on cruise control rather than rational thought.
But Gates also reacted "wrong" -, IMO, he has that right as he was on his own property.
Have the Cambridge police ever had any sensitivity training ?? or is this even possible...similar to "ethics" training to American executives..


I'd rather the police be 'wrong' for 'over-reacting' than let some fool break into my home and steal my **** and they had the opportunity to catch him but, oh noes, lets not make the guy mad because he just might live here.


And, for those who think that its okay to shout down the police while they are doing their job by saying, "But im in my house, nya nya nya nyaaa nyaaa" I say, Your pathetic.

Yes, you can shout down the police, but it makes you a god damned fool for yelling at a guy who is trying to make sure your house isn't getting broken into.

Yes, there is sensitivity training. But when dealing with a potential felony situation, 'sensitivity' could allow a suspect to get away.
 
Personally, I think both Gates and the officer acted wrongly.
But IMHO the Officers actions were more egregious, in that they resulted in an official Arrest Record.





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His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.
His front porch.

Yeah.
Something is very wrong with what the Officer did.

So, if Im on my front porch I should be able to wave my **** at passing cars? Because, I mean, Im on my front porch right?

:roll:
 
So, if Im on my front porch I should be able to wave my **** at passing cars? Because, I mean, Im on my front porch right?

:roll:

In some Librul parts of the world, you can't even smoke on your front porch.
 
Ask and you shall recieve. Didn't you used to be a cop?

Wikipedia? Really?

:rofl

So I didn't see in your wikipedia article where they defined what interference actually consisted of. The statutory definition of "interference" becomes very important. Remaining silent, a constitutional right, cannot be considered to be interference. Show me where calling a cop racist is legally defined as an act of interference. For your wikipedia argument ( :rofl ) to have any hope of substantiating your argument you're going to need to join the site, log in, and edit it. Oh...and this doesn't really help you at all.
Generally, obstruction charges are laid when it is discovered that a person questioned in an investigation, who is not a suspect, has lied to the investigating officers. However, in most common law jurisdictions, the right to remain silent allows any person who is questioned by police merely to refuse to answer questions posed by an investigator without giving any reason for doing so. (In such a case, the investigators may subpoena the witness to give testimony under oath in court) It is not relevant if the person lied to protect a suspect (such as setting up a false alibi, even if the suspect is in fact innocent) or to hide from an investigation of their own activities (such as to hide his involvement in another crime). Obstruction charges can also be laid if a person alters or destroys physical evidence, even if he was under no compulsion at any time to produce such evidence.

Oh.

Snap.

Yes I used to be a cop and I spent a lot of time with prosecutors on case preparation.

And your argument sucks.

God I enjoy beating you up on these forums.

Try again.

Please.
 
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So, if Im on my front porch I should be able to wave my **** at passing cars? Because, I mean, Im on my front porch right?

:roll:

Why do you keep making this irrelevant argument? There is a major difference between exercising your freedom of speech and indecent exposure. There is a law against indecent exposure.
 
Glad to try again. At least I have a link.

Modern obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, refers to the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of Perverting the course of justice.

Obstruction of Justice
 
Glad to try again. At least I have a link.

You know...I really want to just B52 your ass on this one. But I won't, because I think you're fragile.

My above post utilized your own wikipedia article to debunk you and at the same time support my case. You realize this right? Or did you not actually read your own source?

Now, please...actually address my challenge to your argument. And no, telling me "at least I have a link" and posting the same quote I've already addressed does not cut it.
 
You know...I really want to just B52 your ass on this one. But I won't, because I think you're fragile.

My above post utilized your own wikipedia article to debunk you and at the same time support my case. You realize this right? Or did you not actually read your own source?

Now, please...actually address my challenge to your argument. And no, telling me "at least I have a link" and posting the same quote I've already addressed does not cut it.

Do whatcha gotta do, sport. But, be sure and post a link.
 
So, if Im on my front porch I should be able to wave my **** at passing cars? Because, I mean, Im on my front porch right?

:roll:
:doh
:slapme:
You, or anyone else waving their **** at passing cars, has nothing to do with this topic.
The man was strongly voicing his opinion on his own property and the Officer was wrong for arresting him.
 
Do whatcha gotta do, sport. But, be sure and post a link.

For ****s sake...what do you not understand about "I USED YOUR OWN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE?" Why post a link? You already linked it, I don't need to link it again...it was your ****ing source.

This whole exchange is testament to the fact that you don't pay attention. You didn't read your own article and you didn't read my post.
 
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