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Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

Councilman said:
This should put to rest the BS about the arresting officer being the racist.
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No it won't. The Civil Rights Industry isn't going to let this one go. They're going make millions off this one. Especially, since they now have a racist prez that will support every move they make.
 
celticlord said:
Once Crowley realized he was dealing with a Harvard Professor (i.e., a bloviating blowhard bigot), he called for Harvard cops to be on scene as well.

Smart move on his part, actually; now Gates looks like a dork on campus as well as off.
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Five cruisers, for one man, is extreme. Witnesses, sure, but five cars full?

I wouldn't say this has left Gates' looking like a dork, actually. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people seem to back him up in his actions.
 
apdst said:
No it won't. The Civil Rights Industry isn't going to let this one go. They're going make millions off this one. Especially, since they now have a racist prez that will support every move they make.
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You really hate the President, don't you?
 
Anima said:
Five cruisers, for one man, is extreme. Witnesses, sure, but five cars full?

I wouldn't say this has left Gates' looking like a dork, actually. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people seem to back him up in his actions.
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Yeah! He looked like one badass crippled!:mrgreen:
 
celticlord said:
He was. Gates decided that wasn't enough and decided to follow Sergeant Crowley outside. That was dumb.

Gates decided to yell at Sergeant Crowley outside. That was stupid.

Gates decided to yell that the cops were racist outside. That was full retard--and disturbing the peace to boot.

Game, set, match to Sergeant Crowley.
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Gates is only guilty of being a douchbag.

Disturbing the peace needs someone peace actually being disturbed, and without anyone stepping forward to do so, it didn't happen.

Otherwise the cops just abused their authority to get even for being shouted at.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
But why should he have to risk paying money to lawyers, and going to court, when there was not a crime committed? Because he's an asshole? That's out of their jurisdiction:2razz:
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Being an asshole is the one thing that is most likely to land someone in the back of a squad car.

Remembering the manners your mama is supposed to have taught you is how you stay out of the back of a squad car.

This I know from personal experience--have had to explain to the cops on a couple of occasions why some asshat got a literal smackdown from me....and because I remember my manners I've never gotten more than a class C misdemeanor assault citation out of it.
 
Anima said:
Five cruisers, for one man, is extreme. Witnesses, sure, but five cars full?

I wouldn't say this has left Gates' looking like a dork, actually. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people seem to back him up in his actions.
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By pulling 5 squad cars away from other activities, there is the possibility that actual crimes were committed which might have been preventable.
 
The whole victim thing, I have been rolling around in my mind. Police can cite you for disturbing the peace for loud music without witness statements being given, so maybe it is similar reasoning.
 
celticlord said:
Being an asshole is the one thing that is most likely to land someone in the back of a squad car.

Remembering the manners your mama is supposed to have taught you is how you stay out of the back of a squad car.

This I know from personal experience--have had to explain to the cops on a couple of occasions why some asshat got a literal smackdown from me....and because I remember my manners I've never gotten more than a class C misdemeanor assault citation out of it.
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Ehhhh, but that is a sticky relationship. He did not break the law, and hence the cops should not have attempted punish mode. This could end up costing their department quite a bit of money, and in the end is absolutely pointless.
 
tlmorg02 said:
The whole victim thing, I have been rolling around in my mind. Police can cite you for disturbing the peace for loud music without witness statements being given, so maybe it is similar reasoning.
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As I said in another thread, The Good Reverend is often stopped by the police, Just because they find him interesting....


How this is realavant? I ask, how could it not be! :thumbs:
 
tlmorg02 said:
I do not think the officer was racist, I just think that cops too often abuse their authority and use BS charges like disorderly conduct to arrest people who piss them off. Arresting a guy for ranting on his own property is crossing the line in breaking rights of Americans.
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This I think is the only proper argument to be made. There is no racial component here because cops do this to pretty much anyone who annoy them. The initial questioning and request of ID was fine, as there was report of a break in. But the arrest or disorderly conduct on his own property is over the line. Something should be done about that, but this is not a racial profiling case; just standard abuse of power.
 
Ikari said:
This I think is the only proper argument to be made. There is no racial component here because cops do this to pretty much anyone who annoy them. The initial questioning and request of ID was fine, as there was report of a break in. But the arrest or disorderly conduct on his own property is over the line. Something should be done about that, but this is not a racial profiling case; just standard abuse of power.
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I agree.

the shtick claims this is an embarrassment to Libertarians everywhere though. :mrgreen:
 
Ikari said:
This I think is the only proper argument to be made. There is no racial component here because cops do this to pretty much anyone who annoy them. The initial questioning and request of ID was fine, as there was report of a break in. But the arrest or disorderly conduct on his own property is over the line. Something should be done about that, but this is not a racial profiling case; just standard abuse of power.
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The only thing that needed to be done about it was for the property owner to shut up and thank the officers for doing their job in a timely fashion.

He was the one in the wrong, he's the one that owes the apology.

If he'd ever learned any manners that was the time to use them. Instead, yes, he broke the law, and he got arrested. Don't go down the nonsense path of saying that the boy didn't break the law. I don't even see an abuse of power issue here, and those are usually pretty easy to spot.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Don't go down the nonsense path of saying that the boy didn't break the law. I don't even see an abuse of power issue here, and those are usually pretty easy to spot.
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Okay, now this made me laugh and shake my head.
 
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ARealConservative said:
Gates is only guilty of being a douchbag.

Disturbing the peace needs someone peace actually being disturbed, and without anyone stepping forward to do so, it didn't happen.

Otherwise the cops just abused their authority to get even for being shouted at.
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley "100 percent."

Gates has said he was the victim of racial profiling.
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Okay here's your proof. Case closed, end of story.

President Obama stopped short of an apology to Sgt. James Crowley on Friday for saying he "acted stupidly" for arresting black Harvard scholar Henry Lewis Gates Jr., but said he should have chosen his words more carefully.
At an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama said he spoke with Crowley over the phone, and said he wanted to share a beer with Crowley and Gates at the White House.
"Because this has been ratcheting up and I helped contribute to ratcheting it up, I want to make clear that in my choice of words I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sgt. Crowley specifically and I could have calibrated those words differently."
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Anymore questions?
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
As I said in another thread, The Good Reverend is often stopped by the police, Just because they find him interesting....
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They don't find you all that interesting. They stop you just because you're black. ;)


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I hope the perpfessor supporters get it now.
 
tlmorg02 said:
You really hate the President, don't you?
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No, I think he's a great guy. I hate his politics and I think he's misguided by the indoctrination he received in his younger years.
 
tlmorg02 said:
Doesn't sound like an enlightened person, does it?
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Not only am I the most thoroughly enlightened person here, I'd have looked damn silly if I called an old man with scraggly beard "girl".

Boy was the correct term, since he was acting like a small spoiled child.
 
American said:
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Okay here's your proof. Case closed, end of story.


Anymore questions?
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All you did was post the opinion of a fellow officer. The evidence to Crowleys action lie squarely in his report. The good sgt. simply backed up his fellow officer in telling everyone Gates was a douche bag.

Now had Crowley properly documented the facts of the case my opinion about the arrest he made might be different. As it stands now he didn't make his case and thus should have never arrested Gates.

Further, and of no real importance, I have found that after studying the MA statute on disorderly conduct I think it is poorly written and puts both the cops and the public in bad spots.
 
Lerxst said:
All you did was post the opinion of a fellow officer. The evidence to Crowleys action lie squarely in his report. The good sgt. simply backed up his fellow officer in telling everyone Gates was a douche bag.

Now had Crowley properly documented the facts of the case my opinion about the arrest he made might be different. As it stands now he didn't make his case and thus should have never arrested Gates.

Further, and of no real importance, I have found that after studying the MA statute on disorderly conduct I think it is poorly written and puts both the cops and the public in bad spots.
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If all that were so, Obama and the perpfessor wouldn't be backpedaling now.
 
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