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Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

Coronado said:
Yup, sounds like some backwater African Muslim thinking.
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"Having heard the story myself, I'm outraged. In Liberia, the family and law enforcement officers would be embracing the victim. To hear that the family is not doing that, that should be an isolated case."

Edwin Sele
Deputy Ambassador of Liberia to the United States
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Allow me to play devils advocate here.

If a teenager goes into the Chicago projects to buy heroin, and gets murdered; are the teenagers actions (to go into an unsafe neighborhood) partially to blame? I am not making an excuse here for the criminal activity, just bringing into perspective accountability.
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Accountability?

The girl was just 8 years old.

sheesh.
 
Laila said:
She is very stupid but it doesn't make excuses for what was done.
We all should have the freedom to go where we want without expecting death around the corner.
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It is that type of thinking that leads people to get raped and killed. Remember, i am not excusing the behavior of criminals, but lets be very honest here.

If a teenager gets into one of their friends vehicles knowing the driver is super drunk, and gets into a serious accident, is it not at all the teenagers fault? Mapping this in a quantitative fashion, the teenagers actions are a dependent variable to the outcome.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Allow me to play devils advocate here.

If a teenager goes into the Chicago projects to buy heroin, and gets murdered; are the teenagers actions (to go into an unsafe neighborhood) partially to blame? I am not making an excuse here for the criminal activity, just bringing into perspective accountability.
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I don't think that's a good analogy. There is nothing really to suggest that she was in an area where a reasonable person would have expected to encounter gang rapists. Also, there's nothing to suggest she was attempting to engage in illicit conduct herself.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
It is that type of thinking that leads people to get raped and killed. Remember, i am not excusing the behavior of criminals, but lets be very honest here.

If a teenager gets into one of their friends vehicles knowing the driver is super drunk, and gets into a serious accident, is it not at all the teenagers fault? Mapping this in a quantitative fashion, the teenagers actions are an dependent variable to the outcome.
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Oh i agree, there is some measure of protection and common sense people need to ensure they do their best to stay safe
 
EgoffTib said:
"Having heard the story myself, I'm outraged. In Liberia, the family and law enforcement officers would be embracing the victim. To hear that the family is not doing that, that should be an isolated case."

Edwin Sele
Deputy Ambassador of Liberia to the United States
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From the country which didn't outlaw rape till 2006.
 
Coronado said:
I don't think that's a good analogy. There is nothing really to suggest that she was in an area where a reasonable person would have expected to encounter gang rapists. Also, there's nothing to suggest she was attempting to engage in illicit conduct herself.
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I am not suggesting this either. What i am suggesting is the age old proverb: do not talk to strangers, even other kids.
 
Ikari said:
From the country which didn't outlaw rape till 2006.
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Not surprising considering rape was used as a method of war by some soldiers in Liberia. Was very high and probably still is despite this law
 
Laila said:
Not surprising considering rape was used as a method of war by some soldiers in Liberia. Was very high and probably still is despite this law
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I think most laws go out the window when war is going on.
 
I wonder how much backlash this story is really going to have. Because, honestly in the end, Americans are just going to think that father to be (and correctly so) a savage. What sort of man could look his daughter in the face after something like that and even think about saying "it's your fault, you've brought us shame"? A father should be doing all he can to not run out and kill all those little bastards who hurt his little girl. And that's sorta the American mentality on it, this being so radically different than how we could consider responding I wouldn't be surprised if this negatively impacted the views Americans have on these refugees.
 
Gardener said:
Accountability?

The girl was just 8 years old.

sheesh.
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Red herring. Unless of course you are stating that peoples age can excuse some actions? You cannot have it both ways in this regard.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
I am not suggesting this either. What i am suggesting is the age old proverb: do not talk to strangers, even other kids.
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Point taken, but do we know these children were unacquainted? The girl was 8 and one of the suspects is 9, so it's quite possible they knew each other from school.

I agree though, someone somewhere along the line should have taught her to avoid such situations.
 
Coronado said:
Point taken, but do we know these children were unacquainted? The girl was 8 and one of the suspects is 9, so it's quite possible they knew each other from school.

I agree though, someone somewhere along the line should have taught her to avoid such situations.
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And that is really my point. Even if she knew the 9 year old, i highly doubt she knew the others. Of course i am speculating. I am just trying to make things interesting because it seemed like a one sided debate on the issue; i completely agree that those boys were heavily in the wrong, and need to face a very stiff punishment in an adult prison (if you get my drift)....
 
Goldenboy219 said:
I am not suggesting this either. What i am suggesting is the age old proverb: do not talk to strangers, even other kids.
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SHE IS 8 YEARS OLD.

Not 15, not 18, not 28.

8.

SHE HAS NO ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS SCENARIO.

FFS.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
SHE IS 8 YEARS OLD.

Not 15, not 18, not 28.

8.
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Do explain: What happened if she did not go along with those boys (assuming she was not kidnapped entirely)?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You're talking about a 2nd grader here. Please stop talking, you're making yourself look ridiculous.
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The four sex assault suspects in the crime apparently lured the girl into a vacant shed near 43rd Avenue and Thomas Road last Thursday by offering her chewing gum, said Phoenix Police Sgt. Andy Hill.
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Now that is a stupid second grader... And you ignored my question entirely....
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Now that is a stupid second grader...
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NO more stupid than the average. Eight year olds aren't known for having a highly developed sense of self-preservation. That's why they make easy victims for sexual predators. It's a function of THEIR AGE, not their training.

Most 8 year olds can't even understand the concept of a "stranger." It's a brain development issue. Trying to lay ANY CULPABILITY for this attack at the feet of a small child is a sick mentality.

Seriously, all I can think is that you have very little experience with school-aged children and are talking out your ass here.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
And that is really my point. Even if she knew the 9 year old, i highly doubt she knew the others. Of course i am speculating. I am just trying to make things interesting because it seemed like a one sided debate on the issue; i completely agree that those boys were heavily in the wrong, and need to face a very stiff punishment in an adult prison (if you get my drift)....
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Agreed.

One of my coworkers used to work at a maximum-security prison in west Pennsylvania and told me stories about what the other inmates used to do to cons who were in for child molestation and the like. Imagine the worst sorts of things that could happen to a person's anus and multiply that by a thousand. It will be hard time, in every sense of the word, and good enough for 'em.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
NO more stupid than the average. Eight year olds aren't known for having a highly developed sense of self-preservation. That's why they make easy victims for sexual predators. It's a function of THEIR AGE, not their training.

Most 8 year olds can't even understand the concept of a "stranger." It's a brain development issue. Trying to lay ANY CULPABILITY for this attack at the feet of a small child is a sick mentality.

Seriously, all I can think is that you have very little experience with school-aged children and are talking out your ass here.
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I think i made my point very obvious before the onslaught of this discussion. I am not trying to make the victim the guilty party. With this in mind, the story is just another example WHY you teach your children not to trust ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or for that matter, why you do not leave them unsupervised unless you feel they are competent enough to behave in that type of responsible fashion.
 
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Coronado said:
Agreed.

One of my coworkers used to work at a maximum-security prison in west Pennsylvania and told me stories about what the other inmates used to do to cons who were in for child molestation and the like. Imagine the worst sorts of things that could happen to a person's anus and multiply that by a thousand. It will be hard time, in every sense of the word, and good enough for 'em.
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Please remove my thanks!!!!!!!! Not that i am not wanting it, but i want to let my count stay where it is for the time being :mrgreen:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
NO more stupid than the average. Eight year olds aren't known for having a highly developed sense of self-preservation. That's why they make easy victims for sexual predators. It's a function of THEIR AGE, not their training.

Most 8 year olds can't even understand the concept of a "stranger." It's a brain development issue. Trying to lay ANY CULPABILITY for this attack at the feet of a small child is a sick mentality.

Seriously, all I can think is that you have very little experience with school-aged children and are talking out your ass here.
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At the age of 8 it was drilled into me if anyone tried giving me something, i was under strict instructions to scream and run or if any men approached me with lollies or icecream. Not to cross the street without holding my Moms hand and looking both directions, waiting for the green man, do not talk to strangers .... I'm pretty sure everyone has had these discussions and warnings when they were young
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
I think i made my point very obvious before the onslaught of this discussion. I am not trying to make the victim the guilty party. With this in mind, the story is just another example WHY you teach your children not to trust ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The problem is that no matter how well you think you've communicated this lesson, the concept of strangers doesn't translate well to an 8 year old. Their brain development and maturity levels are insufficient for this to be a good safeguard against danger. Further, most 8 year olds would not think of slightly older children as "strangers." And, it's entirely likely that she was entrapped by the 9-year-old, at the plans of the older kids, based upon reading the article.

You're being absurd herre.

Beyond that, the attempt to shift the blame somehow onto the victim and/or her family is simply disgusting.

Please, go ahead and melt down with exclamation marks. It will be fun watching your brain explode.
 
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