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EgoffTib said:
So you've proven that Chinese Buddhism considers homosexuality to be a sin. That does reflect the religion as a whole, so my assertion that you were incorrect when saying all "major, accepted, organized religions consider homosexuality a sin" stands.
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blanket statements usually come back to bite you everytime :hitsfan: :lol:
 
EgoffTib said:
So you've proven that Chinese Buddhism considers homosexuality to be a sin. That does reflect the religion as a whole, so my assertion that you were incorrect when saying all "major, accepted, organized religions consider homosexuality a sin" stands.
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Well, I've proved that ALL of those religions consider homosexuality to be a sin. As much a sin as Christianity says it is, anyway.
 
Goshin said:
You think it is ridiculous that an organization can exist and operate in America, that attempts to help people change their sexual behavior if that is what they want, in the USA? That's an extreme viewpoint.
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In your mind it's extreme. In the mind of many others - including myself - it isn't. In fact, i'd warrant that most folks would label organizations such as Exodus International extreme.

The key component I think you are overlooking is why someone would voluntarily seek out such an organization to begin with. I'll put that question to you, then we can reflect on your answer.


Goshin said:
Hold on buddy, mind your own business and leave my kid alone. I, his father, will teach him about sexuality and sexual morality, you keep out of it. You're using two unrelated examples because the former is voluntary, and the second really isn't. (If you can't afford private school and have to work full time, public school is almost unavoidable.)
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Whenever I read something like this, I get the impression that you are basically saying, "I am teaching my child that homosexuality is wrong, people can do as they wish, but this lifestyle should in no way be acceptable". If that is the case, then yes, it becomes 'my business'. It also becomes everyone else's, too, because sooner or later, it's very likely that your child will act on what he or she has been taught. It may be something as minor as verbally assaulting someone who is gay (and I use the term 'minor' relatively speaking). Or perhaps it could be a physical confrontation. In some cases, it could end up being much, much worse. In any case, teaching a child that a certain group of people are 'lesser' or 'acting sinfully' becomes my business and everyone else's once your child acts on what he's been taught.

Now, if your argument is that you - not the state - wish to teach your child that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable and there is nothing wrong with it, that's a different argument. But if you're simply using it as a smokescreen to pass along anti-homosexual indoctrination to your progeny, then expect me to strongly disagree, because there's a strong possibility that it'll become my business (and everyone else's) sooner or later.
 
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DeeJayH said:
I am sorry, but how does the existence of a lunatic fringe group justify teaching children about homosexuality? I can see teaching them about all the various religions out there, but not what you suggest
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Well, do you have a problem with teaching children about heterosexuality? I'm not talking about the actual sex act itself, but that there is a mommy and a daddy who love each other? Yes or no?

For me, that answer is a definite yes. I also see zero problem in teaching children about diversity - biracial couples, for instance, and homosexual ones, too. Certainly nothing sexually graphic, but that such couples exist, they're equal, and most definitely acceptable.

That's what I mean when I say children should be taught that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable.
 
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Singularity said:
That's what I mean when I say children should be taught that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable.
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Why is it perfectly acceptable? And further more, what gives you the right to force others to accept your view over their own?
 
Singularity said:
Well, do you have a problem with teaching children about heterosexuality? I'm not talking about the actual sex act itself, but that there is a mommy and a daddy who love each other? Yes or no?

For me, that answer is a definite yes. I also see zero problem in teaching children about diversity - biracialI couples, for instance, and homosexual ones, too. Certainly nothing sexually graphic, but that such couples exist, they're equal, and most definitely acceptable.

That's what I mean when I say children should be taught that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable.
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I never once talked to my kid about heterosexuality, so I fail to see why someone else should have taught him about homosexuality, especially since he was aware of it from a normal age.
as far as diversity, kid is either tolerant of it by the time you get to 'sex ed' or he is a bigot that i doubt any class in school is going to change with their warm and fuzzy 'cant we all just get along' and 'kumbaya' crapola
there is no need to talk about sexuality at school
safe sex and pregnancy and STDs can all be addressed without including sexual orientation. Kid will learn tolerance, or not, when he is suspended from school for calling a wimpy kid 'Faggot'
 
DeeJayH said:
I never once talked to my kid about heterosexuality, so I fail to see why someone else should have taught him about homosexuality, especially since he was aware of it from a normal age.
as far as diversity, kid is either tolerant of it by the time you get to 'sex ed' or he is a bigot that i doubt any class in school is going to change with their warm and fuzzy 'cant we all just get along' and 'kumbaya' crapola
there is no need to talk about sexuality at school
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If he's a bigot, it's because he learned that from somewhere. If he's accepting, same. If a kid is being taught at home that homosexuality is wrong, he's probably gonna act on that in some way when he encounters someone who is homosexual. Seen it happen plenty-o-times. I bet you have, too.


DeeJayH said:
safe sex and pregnancy and STDs can all be addressed without including sexual orientation. Kid will learn tolerance, or not, when he is suspended from school for calling a wimpy kid 'Faggot'
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We most definitely agree on this.
 
Singularity said:
Well, do you have a problem with teaching children about heterosexuality?
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You won't teach my kids about it in school. It's **** like that that will cause me to show up at the school house making a big scene.
 
apdst said:
Whoa, slow down, it's not, "my", holy book. Alls I'm saying, is that if you believe what the Bible says, homosexuality is a sin.

You're condemning folks for their religious beliefs and no, you don't have that right. Religious freedom is a civil right and condemnation of their beliefs is a violation of tyheir civil rights.
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So is eating shellfish. What's your point?
 
MrVicchio said:
Why is it perfectly acceptable? And further more, what gives you the right to force others to accept your view over their own?
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Homosexuality - whether you chalk it up to social construct or simple biological drive - is perfectly acceptable sexual behavior, as there is no mental illness, deficiency, or irrational behavior associated with the practicioner. Indeed, those individuals who are homosexual are just as autonomous and rational as any heterosexual individual. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. These conclusions were reached after many years of unbiased study.

In addition to our long history with homosexuality, we are not the only species who practices it. It is found throughout the animal kingdom, something those individuals who advocate 'natural law' as a justifiable reason for differential treatment of gays and lesbians. The debates about homosexuality, in part because they often involve public policy and legal issues, tend to be sharply polarized. Those most concerned with homosexuality, positively or negatively, are also those most engaged, with natural law theorists arguing for gays and lesbians having a reduced legal status.

I believe those who wish to treat homosexuality as negative are incorrect simply because there is no evidence that the behavior is, in fact, wrong at all from a secular perspective, and even those who argue from a biblical standpoint are at the mercy of strong, secular arguments to the contrary.
 
Singularity said:
Homosexuality - whether you chalk it up to social construct or simple biological drive - is perfectly acceptable sexual behavior, as there is no mental illness, deficiency, or irrational behavior associated with the practicioner. Indeed, those individuals who are homosexual are just as autonomous and rational as any heterosexual individual. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. These conclusions were reached after many years of unbiased study.

In addition to our long history with homosexuality, we are not the only species who practices it. It is found throughout the animal kingdom, something those individuals who advocate 'natural law' as a justifiable reason for differential treatment of gays and lesbians. The debates about homosexuality, in part because they often involve public policy and legal issues, tend to be sharply polarized. Those most concerned with homosexuality, positively or negatively, are also those most engaged, with natural law theorists arguing for gays and lesbians having a reduced legal status.

I believe those who wish to treat homosexuality as negative are incorrect simply because there is no evidence that the behavior is, in fact, wrong at all from a secular perspective, and even those who argue from a biblical standpoint are at the mercy of strong, secular arguments to the contrary.
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So your beliefs trump others beliefs.

Got it.
 
apdst said:
You won't teach my kids about it in school. It's **** like that that will cause me to show up at the school house making a big scene.
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In which case I imagine they'll simply call the law, have you arrested, and you can argue your case from behind bars. Now, if you can act like a reasonable adult, present your viewpoint logically, and discuss your disagreement in a calm, respectable manner, chances are you'll be given a much fairer shake. If they don't, then you can air your grievance with the local school board or to whomever you want. Respectably, of course.
 
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Singularity said:
In which case I imagine they'll simply call the law, have you arrested, and you can argue your case from behind bars. Now, if you can act like a reasonable adult, present your viewpoint logically, and discuss your disagreement in a calm, respectable manner, chances are you'll be given a much fairer shake. If not, you can air your grievance with the local school board or to whomever you want.
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No, they won't call the law; unless they want a HUGE friggin lawsuit on their hands.

I live in the south. We still have rights down here. Believe it, or not.
 
MrVicchio said:
So your beliefs trump others beliefs.

Got it.
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That would be an incorrect synopsis of my position. 'Homosexuality is perfectly acceptable' would be the more accurate depiction.

You are certainly welcome to attempt a rebuttal. Or you can simply make more unsubstantiated claims to the contrary based on your misunderstandings of my abridgement. Either way, it's your choice.
 
apdst said:
No, they won't call the law; unless they want a HUGE friggin lawsuit on their hands.

I live in the south. We still have rights down here. Believe it, or not.
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Actually, they will. If you show up to a school acting irrational and 'making a big scene', chances are they will simply call the law on you before you harm a child.

I live in the south, too. And your right to act irrational and show up to a school making a 'big scene' which could be construed as potentially harmful does not trump my right to send my child to a safe, public institution. Nor does location have much to do with it. I imagine folks in the north wouldn't want you acting irrationally and exposing their children to some potential harm simply because of your particular angry mood that day, either.

Either way, good luck with your lawsuit if you wish to put this to the test.
 
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apdst said:
Well, I've proved that ALL of those religions consider homosexuality to be a sin. As much a sin as Christianity says it is, anyway.
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No you have not. Please show me where Buddha claimed homosexuality is a sin.
 
What about Hindus?
I thought they had a whole caste of like... she-males.

I think you've only proven that all three Abrahamic religions consider homosexuality a sin... which we already knew.

I've never heard that the other three major world religions- Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism- consider it a sin.
 
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1069 said:
What about Hindus?
I thought they had a whole caste of like... she-males.

I think you've only proven that all three Abrahamic religions consider homosexuality a sin... which we already knew.

I've never heard that the other three major world religions- Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism- consider it a sin.
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Yes, and what about the Baha'i Faith? The Sikh faith? Jainists?
 
1069 said:
What about Hindus?
I thought they had a whole caste of like... she-males.

I think you've only proven that all three Abrahamic religions consider homosexuality a sin... which we already knew.

I've never heard that the other three major world religions- Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism- consider it a sin.
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As with Christianity, there are factions of Buddhists and Hindus that consider homosexuality a sin. Scroll back and read the links I posted.
 
apdst said:
As with Christianity, there are factions of Buddhists and Hindus that consider homosexuality a sin. Scroll back and read the links I posted.
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So then it is not the religions themselves, but sects of those religions, which believe homosexuality is a sin. It would appear that your original statement is patently false.
 
Councilman said:
Gay people for years have used a false scientific study that claimed homosexuality was something your are born with in your genes. That has been proven false a long time ago and they fear when anyone undergoes treatment because it threatens their their paradigms and hurt recruitment.


I wish My younger brother had received effective counseling. He might be alive today.
Am I anti gay? I was brought up to hate the sin not the sinner. Yes I hate the sin.
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I'm now old enough to be a grandmother, and I can truthfully say that not once in my life has anyone tried to "recruit" me to become a lesbian. Not once. However, I've turned down my share of unwanted sexual propositions from men.
 
Birdzeye said:
I'm now old enough to be a grandmother, and I can truthfully say that not once in my life has anyone tried to "recruit" me to become a lesbian. Not once. However, I've turned down my share of unwanted sexual propositions from men.
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I used to get hit on by guys when i was younger. I am pretty sure a gay club in Daytona Beach knew when I worked, cause I was always having to deliver their pies. or maybe the pizzamaker/manager didnt like me ;)
that was the only place where they were pushy and aggressive

but nobody has every tried to recruit me either, how the hell would one even do that
 
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