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Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

Laila said:
Soldiers shouldn't be immune from anything and everything but if they have done nothing wrong, nothing to fear from ICC no?
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The ICC, by its own terms, is for those defendants whose home countries are unwilling and/or unable to deal with them themselves.

There's no need under the sun for US troops to be subject to it.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I did not sign on to any international shingdigs, as an American, I would not recognize the authority of an international court, sorry.
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Fair enough

So US only recognises US law eh?
What about international laws that applies to alot of other countries? Is US above those?
 
Harshaw said:
There's no need under the sun for US troops to be subject to it.
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Then what is the problem? US is willing to deal with its soldiers, ICC will not get involved
 
Laila said:
Fair enough

So US only recognises US law eh?
What about international laws that applies to alot of other countries? Is US above those?
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yes. Right or wrong, I prefer sovierengty over international relativism.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
yes. Right or wrong, I prefer sovierengty over international relativism.
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Then US as a nation has no right to judge other nations or individuals .... say Iran ... or Saddam ... who flout International law if it sees its law as soverign over all else. Right?
It cannot be one rule for us and one for them. Either international law applies to all equally or it is meaningless and applies to no nation
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
We are getting off topic, so I will just say.... "you're wrong" :thumbs:
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:rofl

You are lucky i am in a good mood and have tea infront of me to accept that answer - We'll deal with this another time ... Even tho i am actually right

Lets move back on topic then. :2wave:

The police was right. /End thread?
 
Laila said:
Then what is the problem? US is willing to deal with its soldiers, ICC will not get involved
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The problem is a President thinking it needs to be.
 
When people like this professor, Johnny Cochran and Al Sharpton get on their "I'm black so that makes you whitey's racist" soapbox it just diminishes the real racism that's out there and needs to be addressed. Like the boy who cries "wolf". After a while, nobody will listen.

The guy's got a chip on his shoulder for white people. That appears to be obvious to me. So who's the REAL racist here? The professor? Or do only white people get to be racist in these politically correct times. Right?

As we listen to all the minority comedians make "cracker" and "whitey" jokes, let a white comedian use the "n" word and see what happens. :roll:

Sign of the times I suppose.
 
Harshaw said:
The problem is a President thinking it needs to be.
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If you are correct as to what Pres Obama is thinking, then I agree with you.
 
Captain America said:
When people like this professor, Johnny Cochran and Al Sharpton get on their "I'm black so that makes you whitey's racist" soapbox it just diminishes the real racism that's out there and needs to be addressed. Like the boy who cries "wolf". After a while, nobody will listen.

The guy's got a chip on his shoulder for white people. That appears to be obvious to me. So who's the REAL racist here? The professor? Or do only white people get to be racist in these politically correct times. Right?

As we listen to all the minority comedians make "cracker" and "whitey" jokes, let a white comedian use the "n" word and see what happens. :roll:

Sign of the times I suppose.
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Hi, Rush limbaugh, is that you? (he said exactly this today)...... :ssst:
 
galenrox said:
Man, it seems like you're trying your very hardest to not understand what I'm saying. I don't think the cops did anything wrong. They just got a call about a potential burglary and were doing what they're supposed to do in response to getting a call about a potential burglary.
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:lol: my bad... I am gassed from 2 hours of BJJ today, and half paying attention....


You are right absolutley here we agree.


But think about it, why the hell did someone assume he was a burglar, and not just a dude who lost his keys? If it was a white dude in a cardigan, do you think the first assumption is it's a potential burglary or that it's a dude who lost his keys? That doesn't piss you off? It's not the cops who are at fault, but I have a hard time believing that there would have ever been cops at his door if he was white.
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Dark night, the woman who called said she thought she saw two men with back packs trying to shoulder thier way into the front door, then go around back...


White, black, whomever, I'd call. And no, not because they/he were/was black but because of the door nudging.


I'd hate to assume what you are saying, and have it be a break in..... Which by Gates own account has happened before.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Dark night, the woman who called said she thought she saw two men with back packs trying to shoulder thier way into the front door, then go around back...
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Wait, what?

From what I read, this happened at around 1244, or 12:44 PM....since when is it a dark night at 44 mins past noon?
 
I don't know that anyone has looked at this from the perspective of the responding officer.

You have a call of two individuals involved in a possible burglarly. You respond, knowing that IF it is a burglary, the second you are seen by the presumed-perps they might start shooting at you. Anytime you respond to a call like this you have no assurances whether you're going to leave in your patrol car or in an ambulance. Your adrenaline will be on "simmer" and ready to boil over at the first sign of trouble.

You arrive and find an older, well-dressed black man, and another man, in the house. To your relief it doesn't look like an actual burglary. To do your due diligence, you ask for ID. The older black man acts reluctant to present his ID, and becomes belligerent. If this is actually his house as he claims, you have to wonder to yourself what his problem is. If it had been an actual burglary, wouldn't he have wanted to you to check the burglar's ID rather than just accepting their word that "they live here"?

He shows you his ID but continues to rant and rave about you being a racist. Is he drunk? Off his meds? You don't know. Who is this guy and what is his problem?

I probably would have arrested him for public disorderly also. Assuming the police report is factual, there was no need for this supposed "intellectual" to carry on like that, the officer was just doing his job, namely trying to protect the community from burglary and similar crime.
 
The Mark said:
Wait, what?

From what I read, this happened at around 1244, or 12:44 PM....since when is it a dark night at 44 mins past noon?
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Hold on, let me look... :lol:


Yeah, you are right.



:lol:


But still the woman thought she saw two men with back backs trying to break in.... All the police were doing is following up on said report. His response to the police trying to protect and serve, yes him. Was inapropriate and race baiting.


Also note, there was an actual break-in, as gates did break into his home, he has no way of knowing who he was.
 
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Goshin said:
I don't know that anyone has looked at this from the perspective of the responding officer.

You have a call of two individuals involved in a possible burglarly. You respond, knowing that IF it is a burglary, the second you are seen by the presumed-perps they might start shooting at you. Anytime you respond to a call like this you have no assurances whether you're going to leave in your patrol car or in an ambulance. Your adrenaline will be on "simmer" and ready to boil over at the first sign of trouble.

You arrive and find an older, well-dressed black man, and another man, in the house. To your relief it doesn't look like an actual burglary. To do your due diligence, you ask for ID. The older black man acts reluctant to present his ID, and becomes belligerent. If this is actually his house as he claims, you have to wonder to yourself what his problem is. If it had been an actual burglary, wouldn't he have wanted to you to check the burglar's ID rather than just accepting their word that "they live here"?

He shows you his ID but continues to rant and rave about you being a racist. Is he drunk? Off his meds? You don't know. Who is this guy and what is his problem?

I probably would have arrested him for public disorderly also. Assuming the police report is factual, there was no need for this supposed "intellectual" to carry on like that, the officer was just doing his job, namely trying to protect the community from burglary and similar crime.
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This is exactly what I have been saying! :thumbs:
 
Goshin said:
I don't know that anyone has looked at this from the perspective of the responding officer...
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You make good points, but IMO, you must also ask if the police officers version of events is correct.

Personally, I think it is, but...
 
galenrox said:
No worries man






I was of the impression it was around noon, but even at night, wouldn't you ask yourself the question "Why didn't they try the back door first?" I mean, if you are planning on breaking into a house and burglarizing it, wouldn't you try the less visible entrance?
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Yeah it was around noon, my bad.... That said, still, two men, who did indeed "break and enter" would be something I would call the cops to go check out... No matter what color they were....


Wouldn't you?
 
galenrox said:
Depends, if it's a college town and there's one dude in a cardigan and another dressed like a chauffeur, I'd probably assume it was someone locked out of his house. If they're not making any effort to conceal it, I'm probably assuming it's someone locked out of his house.
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Apparently the woman who called just saw two men with backpacks. Eyewitnesses are notoriously bad....


Also cambridge is far more than just a college town.

As for assuming? If I did not know the neighbor, I'd call the non emergency line and have a car drive by.....



Just to be safe, like I said, I had a neighbor do this to me, and I thanked the officers for thier time and response and thought nothing of it...
 
galenrox said:
Depends, if it's a college town and there's one dude in a cardigan and another dressed like a chauffeur, I'd probably assume it was someone locked out of his house. If they're not making any effort to conceal it, I'm probably assuming it's someone locked out of his house.
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I dunno. My wife manages a retail establishment, and someone pulled right up to the front door in the middle of the day and started loading up her SUV. Just happened recently.
 
Joe1991 said:
So far all we have is the police officers side of the story, so it's odd that the professor is so quickly labeled the race baiter and troublemaker.

How many people here would be upset if the police came up to your door demanding ID?
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You mean after I was done breaking down my own front door and could reasonably expect and hope that some neighbor would see that and call the cops if it was a burglar?

I wouldn't have been upset at all.

Joe1991 said:
Was an arrest really the best way to handle this?
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Yes, since that's what would have happened to any white guy in the same situation doing the same dumb ****.

Joe1991 said:
This was a friend of Obama's, are you guys really saying you wouldn't take your friends side if the cops had arrested them in their own house?
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So you're saying that The Messiah is allowed to use his high public office to do favors for his personal friends.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So you're saying that The Messiah is allowed to use his high public office to do favors for his personal friends.
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I didn't Jesus was getting involved, but if you are talking about President Obama, he isn't "doing any favors", he was simply asked his opinion.
 
galenrox said:
I was of the impression it was around noon, but even at night, wouldn't you ask yourself the question "Why didn't they try the back door first?" I mean, if you are planning on breaking into a house and burglarizing it, wouldn't you try the less visible entrance?
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Unless said burglars are counting on you thinking this, and thus decide to use the front door....
 
Joe1991 said:
I didn't Jesus was getting involved, but if you are talking about President Obama, he isn't "doing any favors", he was simply asked his opinion.
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Keep drinkin' that Kool-aid, bud.

The President of the United States just did a major official favor for a personal friend. He slandered the cops.
 
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