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AP NewsBreak: Palin implicated in ethics probe

'Palin implicated in another ethics probe' ... so what else is new? The neo-theocratic Republicans are always the most hypocritical, - most likely to espouse something they rarely practice. It's why the Republican party is breaking up, - the intellectual conservatives can't stand associating with numbskulls like that any more.

Pray tell, name three "Intellectual Conservatives"

I'd love to know who falls into that for you.
 
Sarah Palin resigned, they are attacking a American citizen that has about the same amount of power as me politically. They are using the full force of the government on a US citizen?... Joe the Plumber anyone?

Huh??? ..that makes no sense whatsoever.

She's still governor; and even when she becomes a private citizen, that doesn't absolve her of any crimes she may have committed while being governor.
 
You are assuming, of course, that the Republican party is a conservative party, which it's not.

The Republican Party was founded on conservative values, and unless I hit my mark, it hasn't officially changed those values. Now, is the libertarian party conservative?
 
....ok I'm sorry for being so naive and uninformed, but aren't libertarians conservatives?

No.

Libertarians are about expanding real freedoms.

Conservatives are less clear about what they want.

Most conservatives opposes drug decriminalization, but can't say why.

And shouldn't they, on most topics, be on the same side as Palin, and the GOP? Again, correct me if I'm wrong....which I'm pretty sure I am.

For the most part, yes, because libertarians are the most correct people out there, and the conservatives, for the most part, agree, though they're wrong in places, and the socialists are always wrong.
 
Huh??? ..that makes no sense whatsoever.

She's still governor; and even when she becomes a private citizen, that doesn't absolve her of any crimes she may have committed while being governor.

You just read the ramblings of Palin apologists. The Palin apologists will still say that their Girl was highly moral and inocent even after she is caught, tried, and sentenced to a prison term. They just don't see the wrong that The Palin has done.
 
Pray tell, name three "Intellectual Conservatives"

I'd love to know who falls into that for you.

William F. Buckly put he is dead. Gingrich had potention but he got all full of himself. I am sure there has to be some of that type still alive.
 
You just read the ramblings of Palin apologists. The Palin apologists will still say that their Girl was highly moral and inocent even after she is caught, tried, and sentenced to a prison term. They just don't see the wrong that The Palin has done.



what wrong has she done? fail
 
....ok I'm sorry for being so naive and uninformed, but aren't libertarians conservatives? And shouldn't they, on most topics, be on the same side as Palin, and the GOP? Again, correct me if I'm wrong....which I'm pretty sure I am.




onece in alaska they wanted to force bars to close at 5am.... Palin as governer rejected this saying "everytime we enact new laws, we lose a little of our freedom"


you tell me.
 
'Palin implicated in another ethics probe' ... so what else is new? The neo-theocratic Republicans are always the most hypocritical, - most likely to espouse something they rarely practice. It's why the Republican party is breaking up, - the intellectual conservatives can't stand associating with numbskulls like that any more.




accusation=guilt? :roll:
 
They just don't see the wrong that The Palin has done.

So far, out of 16 accusations, 15 have been returned as completely baseless.

The sixteenth accusation is that she declared a specific legal defense fund as the "official" defense fund, which is naturally her perogative as an American citizen under the First Amendment.

Note the charges did not say Palin used State of Alaska resources to establish this fund, nor did it say that Palin used her official position as governor to stamp her name on it.

No. The present bogus charge is that she used the word "official" in a sentence. Do you believe she should get life in prison for this heinous crime, or will ten years do?
 
well it took us a really long time to change from Bush Derangement Syndrome to Palin Derangement Syndrome :roll:

All the while exhibiting the surefire signs of OOD.

Obama Obsession Disorder
 
The claim is not bogus per say, at least until a court determines its fate, but its not a big deal. Getting money for a legal defense fund is perfectly okay in many states, Hillary and Kerry have them, as long as a specific legal provision allows it. Alaska has no such provision. If you actually read the complaint, the man who filed it is sympathetic to her situation, and suggests that Palin simply not take the money and ask the state to cover her legal expenses.

The worst that you could say about Palin in this case is that she may have broken a minor technical point of law that is legal in most other states. If you are just looking to smear her, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
 
So far, out of 16 accusations, 15 have been returned as completely baseless.

The sixteenth accusation is that she declared a specific legal defense fund as the "official" defense fund, which is naturally her perogative as an American citizen under the First Amendment.

Note the charges did not say Palin used State of Alaska resources to establish this fund, nor did it say that Palin used her official position as governor to stamp her name on it.

No. The present bogus charge is that she used the word "official" in a sentence. Do you believe she should get life in prison for this heinous crime, or will ten years do?

7 years with time off for possible good behavior and also the option to ask for parole after 5 years if she has a good clean record during those five years!! see we can have a sense of humor about this too !!!
 
It is when you bother to read the ****ing law.



No.

It was about the sexual assault on Paula Jones, in which Lily Waver and Rapist Clinton had her hauled up to his hotel room and asked her to "kiss it".

THAT was the deposition in which LWRC committed perjury.

That was a matter of serious national interest.

Not saying that Boy Clinton had much going for himself in the morals deparftment but where do we have any arrest and conviction on a s"sexual assault". Sounds to me like some hyperactive Clinton Hatred going on here. BTW the topic is the Perils of Palin and her lack of morality not Clinton dangling his dingle.
 
So all of you Mrs. Palin attacker care to retrack all the statements you have made on this thread it seems that she hasn't done anything wrong and that the Trust was set up by some folks who knew what the hell they were doing.

Fund trustee says Palin not involved with fund | Comcast.net

WASILLA, Alaska — The trustee for the legal defense fund set up to help Gov. Sarah Palin lashed out at the news media and the Eagle River resident who filed an ethics complaint against the governor.

Trustee Kristan Cole of Wasilla says the Alaska Fund Trust was created and vetted by a team of lawyers from around the country who are experts in state and federal law.

Cole says the only lawyer who ever questioned the fund's legality is Thomas Daniel, the investigator hired by the state personnel board.

Cole also says Palin, a personal friend, has never been involved with the trust. She says the governor has never accepted any money from the fund.

Cole says legal action is being considered against the person who leaked the investigator's confidential report to The Associated Press.
 
Poor Sarah ..all those mean people out there have her so unnerved, she had to quit her job as governor because she doesn't have what it takes to get the job done ..lol :mrgreen:
 
So all of you Mrs. Palin attacker care to retrack all the statements you have made on this thread it seems that she hasn't done anything wrong and that the Trust was set up by some folks who knew what the hell they were doing.

Fund trustee says Palin not involved with fund | Comcast.net

WASILLA, Alaska — The trustee for the legal defense fund set up to help Gov. Sarah Palin lashed out at the news media and the Eagle River resident who filed an ethics complaint against the governor.

Trustee Kristan Cole of Wasilla says the Alaska Fund Trust was created and vetted by a team of lawyers from around the country who are experts in state and federal law.

Cole says the only lawyer who ever questioned the fund's legality is Thomas Daniel, the investigator hired by the state personnel board.

Cole also says Palin, a personal friend, has never been involved with the trust. She says the governor has never accepted any money from the fund.

Cole says legal action is being considered against the person who leaked the investigator's confidential report to The Associated Press.

LMFAO no, but im willing to laugh hilariously in your face for believing this mess. Who is Kristan Cole? Oh thats right! Palins long time buddy and friend. The very same one that Palin herself appointed to AK Board of Agriculture and Conservation.

Now in order for anyone to believe this. We would have to believe the founder of the trust fund is lying.

She also stated, however, that the governor gave her APPROVAL to create the trust fund as the "official" legal defense fund for the governor and authorized the use of her photo on their website.

http://ktuu.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/0721-Legal_Defense.pdf
Page 4

More from the investigator.
In light of the evidence that the governor expressly authorized the creation of the trust and the fact the trust website quite openly uses the governor's position to solicit donations, there is probable cause to believe that Governor Palin used, or attempted to use, her official position for personal gain in violation of Alaska statute

Palin legal fund may violate ethics law, investigator says: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

Something just doesnt sit right here. So here is a run down. We have Palin at first denying the illegality of the fund, then saying she has nothing to do with the fund despite authorizing it. We then have the tres of the fund speak out and say the governor has nothing to do with it despite the evidence in the report. Its interesting but whom should we believe? Her BFF or an independent investigator?
 
Again, this is all based on an "ethics probe" that was illegally leaked to the media.

The irony that you Palin haters are ignoring that shows you don't care if the report has any merit at all. However, it DOES show your lack of... principles.

If Palin broke the law, fine, she should be held accountable for her actions, HOWEVER, until something more then a leaked report... like say, I dunno, a conviction in a court of law... let's wait and see what comes from this? Or is that too much to ask? DOH! This is Palin and her haters, it's too much to ask.
 
Again, this is all based on an "ethics probe" that was illegally leaked to the media.

So the report loses validity because it was leaked to the media?

The irony that you Palin haters are ignoring that shows you don't care if the report has any merit at all. However, it DOES show your lack of... principles.

Ignoring what? How it was released to the media? You cant be serious.

If Palin broke the law, fine, she should be held accountable for her actions, HOWEVER, until something more then a leaked report... like say, I dunno, a conviction in a court of law... let's wait and see what comes from this? Or is that too much to ask? DOH! This is Palin and her haters, it's too much to ask.

This shows your lack of understanding of AK law. It goes before the Personnel Board which determines weather or not they will press on with the case. However one shouldnt put to much trust in them. After all they did ignore the last investigators findings as well. So much for ethics eh?
 
So the report loses validity because it was leaked to the media?

His point is that it is unethical to "leak" an ethics report to the media. He has a very valid point.

The ethical judgment of those who made the report is automatically suspect given the fact that they will themselves act unethically.

To give an analogy, it's like being chastised about the immorality of drinking alcohol by someone who smokes crack.

Personally, I think Palin has been utterly inconsequential since the election. I have no comprehension of why she is even in the news anymore or why she garners such strong apologetic behavior from the right and such visceral hatred from the left.

She's of no legitimate consequence. The discussions of her are simply rabid hyper-partisanship from both sides run amok.

The vast majority of people outside the hyper-partisan spheres are meeting these stories with a hearty, "Meh, who gives a ****?".

Just my take on things based on what I've seen.
 
LMFAO no, but im willing to laugh hilariously in your face for believing this mess. Who is Kristan Cole? Oh thats right! Palins long time buddy and friend. The very same one that Palin herself appointed to AK Board of Agriculture and Conservation.

Now in order for anyone to believe this. We would have to believe the founder of the trust fund is lying.



More from the investigator.


Something just doesnt sit right here. So here is a run down. We have Palin at first denying the illegality of the fund, then saying she has nothing to do with the fund despite authorizing it. We then have the tres of the fund speak out and say the governor has nothing to do with it despite the evidence in the report. Its interesting but whom should we believe? Her BFF or an independent investigator?

Yeah, that's a beautiful little fairy tale you spun together there but the fact of the matter is Palin still has not accepted money from the fund, there is nothing illegal about the fund, and the investigation has gone absolutely nowhere beyond the OPINIONS of one man. When the Personnel Board actually brings a formal complaint against her, get back to us.
 
Again, this is all based on an "ethics probe" that was illegally leaked to the media.

The irony that you Palin haters are ignoring that shows you don't care if the report has any merit at all. However, it DOES show your lack of... principles.

If Palin broke the law, fine, she should be held accountable for her actions, HOWEVER, until something more then a leaked report... like say, I dunno, a conviction in a court of law... let's wait and see what comes from this? Or is that too much to ask? DOH! This is Palin and her haters, it's too much to ask.

First of all I personally don't know anyone who actually "hates" the Igloo but you may run in a diferent gang so we can give you the benefit of the doubt. We don't know if the " "ethics probe" that was illegally leaked to the media.
" or not and I seriously doubt that it was illegally leaked since I have no faith in the the words of those who try to spread that stuff.

Yet let us ponder a moment and say that Palin was being accused of murder or concpiracy to murder her alamost was a son in law. Then lets continue with theory of leaks and say that investigative leaks are illegal to leak and someone illegally did leak a report that Palin was a muderer or a conspirator. That would not make her innocent, she could still be a muderer.

Now before someone goes off the deap end and accuses me of accusing The Palin of muder I did not I was only theorizing. LOL
 
First of all I personally don't know anyone who actually "hates" the Igloo but you may run in a diferent gang so we can give you the benefit of the doubt. We don't know if the " "ethics probe" that was illegally leaked to the media.
" or not and I seriously doubt that it was illegally leaked since I have no faith in the the words of those who try to spread that stuff.

Yet let us ponder a moment and say that Palin was being accused of murder or concpiracy to murder her alamost was a son in law. Then lets continue with theory of leaks and say that investigative leaks are illegal to leak and someone illegally did leak a report that Palin was a muderer or a conspirator. That would not make her innocent, she could still be a muderer.

Now before someone goes off the deap end and accuses me of accusing The Palin of muder I did not I was only theorizing. LOL


I was just passed sensitive documents that say unequivocally that F107 is a pedophile
i have filed a complaint with GySgt as he will surely get to the bottom of it and killl F107 quietly and slowly after he bans F107
lynch the S.O.B. :roll:

PDS is rampant and rabid and has gone viral
 
His point is that it is unethical to "leak" an ethics report to the media. He has a very valid point.

The ethical judgment of those who made the report is automatically suspect given the fact that they will themselves act unethically.

To give an analogy, it's like being chastised about the immorality of drinking alcohol by someone who smokes crack.

Personally, I think Palin has been utterly inconsequential since the election. I have no comprehension of why she is even in the news anymore or why she garners such strong apologetic behavior from the right and such visceral hatred from the left.

She's of no legitimate consequence. The discussions of her are simply rabid hyper-partisanship from both sides run amok.

The vast majority of people outside the hyper-partisan spheres are meeting these stories with a hearty, "Meh, who gives a ****?".

Just my take on things based on what I've seen.

I'm just having loads of fun watching the Palin appologists falling all over themselves trying to cover up for the Perils of Palin. All one has to do is point ou one legitimate criticism of The Palin and the Palin appoligists just go off into hyper space calling anyone who is senisible and sees The Plain for what she is - a fraud and a quitter.
 
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