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AP NewsBreak: Palin implicated in ethics probe

StandUpChuck said:
Oh please. That stuff gets brushed aside as craziness. Those are mosquitoes in politics. Gov Palin faces sledge hammers. Constantly.
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Well, she sort of brings them down on herself by constantly doing something to attract attention. If she just laid low, and didn't do anything for some time, we would all forget about her.
 
Ethereal said:
Then why don't you ever participate or start threads concerning that? Can you show me ONE thread where you were critical of Obama?

Why are you obssessed with god damned Sarah Palin? Why must you dedicate so much time to destroying her credibility and reputation?
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They're afraid of what she represents, and they're making sure everyone who might be thinking about making a career as an American politician is aware that they're going to be destroyed by the hate-filled, vengeful, unforgiving left-wing media.

It's a warning and a deterrent.

The media remembers that Ronald Reagan set their agenda back by nearly three decades, and now that they have their Messiah who promises to destroy America, they're not about to risk letting anyone have a chance of stopping him.
 
MrVicchio said:
IF she actually broke any laws, and mind you this is an ethics investigation by an independent investigator whose ethics including giving reports to the media... she's done.

Let's stop right there, this investigator "leaked" his findings to the AP.

Which makes one wonder how legit his charges really are.
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Thank you Mr. V. Spot on.

To all the republicans that are defending her as if this was guilty but excusing it, you best ask yourself how you rectify that with the philosophy of self responsability, owning up to your mistakes, and accepting consequences.

To all those liberals who are condemning her and attacking conservatives over this, there's no proof here. There's the word "May" in the first post. None of these ethics charges have been found to be substantially true and nothing about this one shows its going to definitely be different. You're condemning her, and conservatives, off of nothing but leaked conjecture and that's it.

Dana, why don't you check your own pedestal. You're trying to balance on conjecture, anecdotal evidence, and a questionable leaked source to attempt to attack someone for hypocrisy. Looks like your own pedestal is a little wobbly.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Oh please. That stuff gets brushed aside as craziness. Those are mosquitoes in politics. Gov Palin faces sledge hammers. Constantly.
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So does any politician including our current President the Messiah Dear Leader.:lol:
 
winston53660 said:
So does any politician including our current President the Messiah Dear Leader.:lol:
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Your Messiah is busy pushing bills through the House that have 300 pages of unread amendments full of pork in them.

Your Messiah owns General Motors.

Your Messiah has created the largest single annual deficit ever in the history of the world.

Your Messiah wants to destroy the nation's health care system before August.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Your Messiah is busy pushing bills through the House that have 300 pages of unread amendments full of pork in them.

Your Messiah owns General Motors.

Your Messiah has created the largest single annual deficit ever in the history of the world.

Your Messiah wants to destroy the nation's health care system before August.
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Ya see here standupchuck a prime example of the S being slinged. All I had to do was say Messiah and or dear leader.
 
winston53660 said:
Ya see here standupchuck a prime example of the S being slinged. All I had to do was say Messiah and or dear leader.
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Some dude on a message board =\= 15 phoney ethics complaints, gossip fueled questions as to whether or not her child is her child, sexual jokes about her kids, ads on the internet depicting John McCain boning her up the a$$ with the words "Drill baby drill," lies never retracted in major news sources ... etc. The list goes on and on.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Some dude on a message board =\= 15 phoney ethics complaints, gossip fueled questions as to whether or not her child is her child, sexual jokes about her kids, ads on the internet depicting John McCain boning her up the a$$ with the words "Drill baby drill," lies never retracted in major news sources ... etc. The list goes on and on.
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Obama did crack with his gay lover:2razz:

That was an actual news story and there are threads here about it.

If you can not take the heat don't step into the fire.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You mean Clinton committed a seriouis sexual assualt on a junior employee in direct violation of the federal anti-sexual harassment laws and also committed a felony to try to cover that up.

That's what you're dismissing so negligently because your focused on the (D), not crimes.
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Sorry....but its not sexual harassment if its consensual and there is no indication that it was anything but.

and I'm sorry....yes, Clinton was no saint, but that said, it still was all about a private sexual act between two consenting adults, I hardly find that to be a matter of a serious national interest and it goes without saying that the months and months and months of probes by Ken Starr and his right-wing cohorts could produce nothing more.
 
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I recently made a personal error in judgment and became involved in what turned out to be a one side discussion on my part with an uneducated Liberal who lacked any semblance of reading comprehension skills and now here I find a similar situation involving so-called Conservatives a few of whom who don't seem to be able understand the written word. And are acting like gleeful Obama worshiping Liberals.
Please read the following paragraph again and pay attention to what it means by what it says,

The practical effect of the ruling on Palin will be more financial than anything else. The report recommends that Palin refuse to accept payment from the defense fund, and that the complaint be resolved without a formal hearing before the board.
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What this means is this is of no consequence and means nothing more than a warning for a traffic violation and not even as much as a an actual ticket.
"Stick a fork in her she's done", sounds like a Granola Liberal not a Conservative. Now is the time to get behind a Sarah Palin and support her because she has the following to lead the Nation off of this road to destruction Obama and his disciples have been leading us blindly down. The midterm elections is where we can start but only if we there is someone leading the way.
Don't fall for the tactics of distractions and meaningless nonsense the Liberals throw in the path. They fear Sarah Palin because she has the respect further more the poll numbers to have them pulling out all the stops to hurt her in any way they can.

Barack Hussein Obama: "Mar 15, 2008 ... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
Sir Winston Churchill

Now is the time to do the right thing.
 
Councilman said:
I recently made a personal error in judgment and became involved in what turned out to be a one side discussion on my part with an uneducated Liberal who lacked any semblance of reading comprehension skills and now here I find a similar situation involving so-called Conservatives a few of whom who don't seem to be able understand the written word. And are acting like gleeful Obama worshiping Liberals.
Please read the following paragraph again and pay attention to what it means by what it says,



What this means is this is of no consequence and means nothing more than a warning for a traffic violation and not even as much as a an actual ticket.
"Stick a fork in her she's done", sounds like a Granola Liberal not a Conservative. Now is the time to get behind a Sarah Palin and support her because she has the following to lead the Nation off of this road to destruction Obama and his disciples have been leading us blindly down. The midterm elections is where we can start but only if we there is someone leading the way.
Don't fall for the tactics of distractions and meaningless nonsense the Liberals throw in the path. They fear Sarah Palin because she has the respect further more the poll numbers to have them pulling out all the stops to hurt her in any way they can.

Barack Hussein Obama: "Mar 15, 2008 ... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
Sir Winston Churchill

Now is the time to do the right thing.
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I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly. The GOP should definitely get behind Palin and support her for the 2012 nomination. I'm doing my part to help her get the nomination.
 
disneydude said:
Sorry....but its not sexual harassment if its consensual and there is no indication that it was anything but.
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I have to disagree with this. If a person in authority uses that authority to obtain sexual favors from his subordinates, yes, that is sexual harassment in the most simplistic of perspectives. The law says so, common ethics say so and it is a given when you step into the work place.

If any one of us had sexual relations committed the same actions as Clinton with a junior employee, there would be no contention against us suffering the consequences. That isn't even a subject of debate; it's pure fact.
 
jallman said:
I have to disagree with this. If a person in authority uses that authority to obtain sexual favors from his subordinates, yes, that is sexual harassment in the most simplistic of perspectives. The law says so, common ethics say so and it is a given when you step into the work place.

If any one of us had sexual relations committed the same actions as Clinton with a junior employee, there would be no contention against us suffering the consequences. That isn't even a subject of debate; it's pure fact.
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But Jall....that's just it. There was never any evidence or even claim that authority was used to harass Monica to engage in anything. She always stated that it was purely consensual. That is not sexual harassment in any perspective.

People have sex with other employees in the workplace all the time. It doesn't make it sexual harassment because one person outranks the other.
 
winston53660 said:
Bring on those old time Beaver Cleaver values:lol:

I mean really just who are you trying to kid with comments like that?

If any party is a "feel good" political party it would have to be the Republicans with their so called moral codes and family values BS including but not limited to abstinence only education.
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Note, in my first post, I said should these charges actually have merit and be true... since their JUST leaked to a paper by an ethics investigator... which the irony there eludes so many Palin haters, she can and should go down for breaking the law.

But that part got missed by ya'll.
 
The only evidence I see here concerning Sarah Palin is that liberals are relentless in their complex, continuous efforts to STOP and DESTROY Sarah Palin.

Obviously they see her as a threat to the stronghold they thought they had on the female vote, as well as someone who has a better populist appeal than any liberal elitist their party can spit out. She's hot, she is American as apple pie, she totes a gun and reads the Bible. A few years studying the national scene, preparing for 2012, and they recognize their stint in the White House could be cut short. The more they attack her, just as with Joe the Plumber, the more they polarize the situation and paint themselves into a corner. For the fact is their crazy state of mind is thankfully outnumbered by saner minds in this country.

The clock is ticking liberals. Your reign on this country is going to end.
 
disneydude said:
But Jall....that's just it. There was never any evidence or even claim that authority was used to harass Monica to engage in anything. She always stated that it was purely consensual. That is not sexual harassment in any perspective.

People have sex with other employees in the workplace all the time. It doesn't make it sexual harassment because one person outranks the other.
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Disney, seriously...if anyone else was in a position of authority, let alone the authority of the POTUS, they would be hung out to dry by HR for having done what Clinton did.

But my argument with Clinton isn't even that. It's that he lied about it under oath, which could send you or me to jail but simply made Clinton merely have a smudge on his record. If that.
 
MC.no.spin said:
Obviously they see her as a threat to the stronghold they thought they had on the female vote
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Yeah....that's right:roll: You did see that she polls worse with women than even Romney didn't you? :doh
So much for that one.
 
disneydude said:
Yeah....that's right:roll: You did see that she polls worse with women than even Romney didn't you? :doh
So much for that one.
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Their smear campaign has been working - that's all those polls really show. When she first broke onto the scene women were flocking to her with hopes of breaking another glass ceiling for women.

By the way, I'm not a flag bearer for Palin being the next president - I just resent the efforts to destroy her repute with all these false allegations and bogus ethics charges. If somebody thinks that she doesn't have the competency necessary for the White House, or doesn't think she shows enough presence and leadership skills to run this country, I'll buy that. And I would agree with them at this point (though would be willing to re-evaluate in 2012.)
 
I see the usual suspects are in here with more of thier "accusation=guilt" crap. :roll:
 
Zyphlin said:
Thank you Mr. V. Spot on.

To all the republicans that are defending her as if this was guilty but excusing it, you best ask yourself how you rectify that with the philosophy of self responsability, owning up to your mistakes, and accepting consequences.
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What exactly has she done wrong? She was the victim of 15 baseless ethics probes and had to start a legal fund in order to pay for all the associated fees. Am I supposed to be mad at her because she used the word "official" in order to start the fund?

And it's not like I'm a Republican either, I'm just a fair person and Sarah Palin is NOT getting a fair shake from the media or the rabid leftist whackos who harbor a sick and abnormal hatred for her.
 
winston53660 said:
Ya see here standupchuck a prime example of the S being slinged. All I had to do was say Messiah and or dear leader.
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Of course, fixate on the term "Dear Leader" and ignore the substance of the post.

The government owns GM.

Obama rams bills through Congress that nobody has read.

Obama has created the largest deficit in the history of America.

Obama wants to ram through a health care bill he doesn't fully understand.

GOD FORBID the words "Dear Leader" were mentioned. That gives you an excuse to ignore the substance of Scarecrow's post.
 
Ethereal said:
What exactly has she done wrong? She was the victim of 15 baseless ethics probes and had to start a legal fund in order to pay for all the associated fees. Am I supposed to be mad at her because she used the word "official" in order to start the fund?
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I'm not talking about people who are saying "Hey, nothings been proven that she did anything wrong here. This looks baseless. If its true, that's bad, but there's no proof of that yet, you're condemning her without evidence."

I'm talking about people and posts who were jumping in basically stating that hell, even if she was guilty of doing what this person said she was doing, well hell...that's the DEMOCRATS fault and its perfectly okay and understandable that she did it. Basically, completely going against the conservative principles of self responsability and owning up to your mistakes, instead trying to place blame elsewhere right off and excusing her of any wrong doing. Take this post for example:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So what you're saying is that because Palin couldn't afford and shouldn't have had to use her own money to defend against the fourteen baseless ethics complaints the nazis have filed against her in the very recent past, they can now file an ethics complaint against her for trying to defend herself from them, when in fact she wouldn't have had to make this mistake if those nazis hadn't filed so many bogus claims already.

How about if we change the ethics laws so that people who file ethics charges that are subsequently thrown out have to re-imburse the full cost of defending against them and have to pay the falsely accused a reparation not to be less than 100% of the costs their false allegations incurred?

To put things in their proper perspective....did the Clintons pay any taxes on their legal defense funds when they pocketed the remainder of the funds when the legal issues were not pursued by Bush, and what favors were traded for donations to those funds?
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Its basically going off the assumption she's guilty of this and right off the bat placing blame everywhere else but on Palin and excusing it.

Now, like I said in the post you quoted, I think its ridiculous to go after her based on a LEAKED unverified source saying she may have done something. But its AS ridiculous to have reacted to the original presentation of it as being fact in such a way as to try and just excuse the behavior and blame other people for it.
 
Zyphlin said:
...even if she was guilty of doing what this person said she was doing, well hell...that's the DEMOCRATS fault and its perfectly okay and understandable that she did it.
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It is perfectly okay and understandable. She's the victim of fifteen baseless ethics probes. She's incurred a mountain of legal fees because of it. She started a legal fund in order to pay for those legal fees and used the word "official" in the process. GOD FORBID!!!
 
The left fear Sarah, they call her a idiot and say shes damaging to the party... yet they can't seem to leave her alone. They wanted her out of the governors seat, they got what they wanted and they are still scared of a normal American Citizen now. The left is a sad excuse for a party at the moment, I would of voted for JFK over McCain any day of the week. That's back when the left's representatives weren't so blatantly anti-American.
 
MC.no.spin said:
Their smear campaign has been working - that's all those polls really show. When she first broke onto the scene women were flocking to her with hopes of breaking another glass ceiling for women.

By the way, I'm not a flag bearer for Palin being the next president - I just resent the efforts to destroy her repute with all these false allegations and bogus ethics charges. If somebody thinks that she doesn't have the competency necessary for the White House, or doesn't think she shows enough presence and leadership skills to run this country, I'll buy that. And I would agree with them at this point (though would be willing to re-evaluate in 2012.)
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I'm predicting, that at this pace, the smear campaign will start to have the opposite effect desired by the Liberals.
 
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