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Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

The research indicates, to me at least, that we will not solve the issue of teenage pregnancy in the U.S. until we start dealing with the issue of adult men (over age 20) having sex with teenaged girls. It's time to start holding the MALE PARTNERS accountable.
 
The research indicates, to me at least, that we will not solve the issue of teenage pregnancy in the U.S. until we start dealing with the issue of adult men (over age 20) having sex with teenaged girls. It's time to start holding the MALE PARTNERS accountable.
uh, if it is statutory rape you are talking about, men go to jail far more often and for longer than women do
 
Bush was a slag. Its evidently spilled over into the American youth.
 
Psst, that's what I'm talking about. Don't JUST teach abstinence only education, and don't JUST focus on condoms and the right ways to have sex and encouraging people to experiment and find their sexuality while never saying anything about abstinence because its not realitsic to think kids won't have sex.

Teach BOTH. Promote abstinence, promote it as being the SAFEST choice, encourage kids to go that route, and teach the problems and issues that can come about through sexual conduct....but also teach them the proper ways to be safe for WHEN they eventually begin to have sexual encounters, dispell the myths about alternative ways to have "safe sex" (such as pulling out). Don't just do one while not doing, or paying just lip service, to the other. Do BOTH.

I can't argue with that.
 
The research indicates, to me at least, that we will not solve the issue of teenage pregnancy in the U.S. until we start dealing with the issue of adult men (over age 20) having sex with teenaged girls. It's time to start holding the MALE PARTNERS accountable.

You . . . actually think they get some sort of a pass? Especially on a societal level?
 
If they weren't, would so many teenage girls be getting impregnated?

Well gosh; you're right! It's well-documented that males can't reproduce until they're in their 20s, and in any case, the point is moot, because they're completely segregated from teenage girls until that time.
 
I am a strong believer that education, rather than abstinence, is the best way to prevent teen pregnancy, but even I am surprised by these results.
I find that humorous. Abstinence is the best way to prevent a pregnancy (you cant have one if you abstain, obviously) but that doesn't mean people will abstain. You made it seem like if someone practices abstinence it wont work, which is hilarious.
 
I find that humorous. Abstinence is the best way to prevent a pregnancy (you cant have one if you abstain, obviously) but that doesn't mean people will abstain. You made it seem like if someone practices abstinence it wont work, which is hilarious.

So it is your view that telling teens not to have sex until their married will stop them from having sex right?

That is what ABSTINENCE ONLY teaching means.

Now can you honestly say that ABSTINENCE ONLY methods work?

When I was taught sex education, I was taught ABSTINENCE is the ONLY 100% method to prevent STDs or pregnancy. I was also taught condom usage and that it DOES NOT prevent 100% STDs or pregnancy. Now can you please tell me what is wrong with that education?

ABSTINENCE ONLY education simply doesn't work.
 
So it is your view that telling teens not to have sex until their married will stop them from having sex right?
Is that what I said?

ABSTINENCE ONLY education simply doesn't work.
The OP didn't say abstinence only education. Read what I quoted. Abstinence is the best way to prevent a pregnancy period. Whether people abstain or not is a different story, but 100% of people who practice abstinence will not get pregnant. Trust me. Thats true.

Did you even read my post?
 
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Nope, not close.

The collapse of the family unit. The secularization of society. The desensitizing of sex by the media. The lack of the father figure in the black community. Pornography in the computer age. The devaluation of women in rap music. The championing of abortion. The normalization of the gay lifestyle.

People from the 50s would not even recognize this country today. We explain away everything for everybody, and integrity and principle have become the rarest of commodities.
Some of these I can understand, but I fail to see how "the normalization of the gay lifestyle" contributes to an increase in teen pregnancy rates. :doh
 
People from the 50s would not even recognize this country today.

Good. People from the 50s lived complacently with Jim Crow laws, overt sexual discrimination, and a good many other institutions that are today recognized as abhorrent. I hope they're spinning in their graves.
 
Good. People from the 50s lived complacently with Jim Crow laws, overt sexual discrimination, and a good many other institutions that are today recognized as abhorrent. I hope they're spinning in their graves.
Good points.

P.S. I missed you, 10. :mrgreen:
 
The OP didn't say abstinence only education. Read what I quoted. Abstinence is the best way to prevent a pregnancy period. Whether people abstain or not is a different story, but 100% of people who practice abstinence will not get pregnant. Trust me. Thats true.

That is true.

What's unfortunantly not mentioned by Abstinence Only people when they talk about this is the fact that no where CLOSE to 100% of people that are taught "Abstinence Only" actually choose to be Abstinence. And with ONLY teaching abstinence every single % point of people that DON'T choose to adhere to abstenence have an EXTREMELY high chance of pregnancy or STD.
 
where is your proof that most underage pregnancies are a result of Statutory Rape????????????????v :roll:

I already posted it. Look up the thread. As many as 2/3 of all teenage pregnancies are as a result of statutory rape with men who are significantly older.
 
I already posted it. Look up the thread. As many as 2/3 of all teenage pregnancies are as a result of statutory rape with men who are significantly older.

I don't believe in "statutory rape".
"Statutory" laws are variable from state to state, and arbitrarily enforced at best; they cheapen the term "rape" (which refers to non-consensual sex) so that nobody really takes the very real and horrific crime of rape seriously (as evidenced by a number of now-archived threads on this very forum), and they cause people to disregard sex offender registries, especially among the poor and working classes, because everybody assumes the registered sex offenders on it were all convicted of trysts with 17-year-olds when they were 18 themselves, and sympathizes with them.

Additionally, I believe the right to reproductive choice begins when biology dictates it does, not when legislators dictate it does.
Mother (Nature) knows best.
 
I don't believe in "statutory rape".
"Statutory" laws are variable from state to state, and arbitrarily enforced at best; they cheapen the term "rape" (which refers to non-consensual sex) so that nobody really takes the very real and horrific crime of rape seriously (as evidenced by a number of now-archived threads on this very forum), and they cause people to disregard sex offender registries, especially among the poor and working classes, because everybody assumes the registered sex offenders on it were all convicted of trysts with 17-year-olds when they were 18 themselves, and sympathizes with them.

Additionally, I believe the right to reproductive choice begins when biology dictates it does, not when legislators dictate it does.
Mother (Nature) knows best.
arent you the one who says young girls who just started becoming fertile were too young and at too high a risk of death from teh numerous complications of pregnancy :roll:
seems you contradict yourself.........yet again
 
arent you the one who says young girls who just started becoming fertile were too young and at too high a risk of death from teh numerous complications of pregnancy :roll:
seems you contradict yourself.........yet again

When or where did I say such a thing?
You probably have me confused with Felicity or someone.
 
When or where did I say such a thing?
You probably have me confused with Felicity or someone.
in support of...wait for it...when you were arguing for....wait for it....Abortion

it is just too dangerous for those po wittle goils to go through with a pregnancy at such a tender age
(In the typical pro-choice hysteria) pregnancy is far to dangerous and life threatening for such a young person to go throught
despite it happening since the dawn of the Human race

I will be damned if I am going to look through an absurd amount of posts from last year to eventually find the proof
if you want to have any credibility, you will acknowledge it, without hiding behind "provide proof to what i said a year ago before i went on hiatus"

It seems like your son is maturing in the military, how about you try it too, and stand by your remarks
 
in support of...wait for it...when you were arguing for....wait for it....Abortion

it is just too dangerous for those po wittle goils to go through with a pregnancy at such a tender age
(In the typical pro-choice hysteria) pregnancy is far to dangerous and life threatening for such a young person to go throught
despite it happening since the dawn of the Human race

Link to it.
I believe in the right to biological self-determination.
From the time a female is able to reproduce, I believe she deserves the right to reproductive choice.
This is not a new opinion. I've never had a different one.
I do not believe in forcing pregnancies on young teens, nor do I believe in forcing abortions on them, nor do I believe in parental consent laws. Nor do I believe in laws that punish or penalize teens for having sex, in any way, shape or form.
"Adolescence" is a social construct.
Laws are stupid when they conflict with biological imperatives and biological realities. A person is old enough to have sex when he or she wants to. And a person is old enough to have kids when her body allows her to conceive one. She's also old enough to decide for herself whether or not to continue a pregnancy at that time.

This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one.
I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.

It seems like your son is maturing in the military, how about you try it too, and stand by your remarks

He is already twice the man you'll ever be.
 
One of the foremost researchers of that "older males impregnating younger females" phenomenon as it occurred in California (the sociologist Mike Males) has described statutory rape (a broad term) in general as "routine 'statutory' offenses involving sexual encounters between adults and teens that have been going on for thousands of years." That's admittedly descriptive rather than prescriptive, but he seems to incorporate it into his examination of "alternate" evidence about teenage pregnancy and childbirth that cast doubt on the nearly universally accepted premise that those behaviors are economically harmful. For example:

Teach these kids simple economics and how children eat capital and how this loss of capital effects their own life and they'll be petrified of it.

An alternative perspective can be found in Hotz et al.'s Teenage Childbearing and Its Life Cycle Consequences: Exploiting a Natural Experiment. Consider the abstract:

We exploit a "natural experiment" associated with human reproduction to identify the causal effect of teen childbearing on the socioeconomic attainment of teen mothers. We exploit the fact that some women who become pregnant experience a miscarriage and do not have a live birth. Using miscarriages an instrumental variable, we estimate the effect of teen mothers not delaying their childbearing on their subsequent attainment. We find that many of the negative consequences of teenage childbearing are much smaller than those found in previous studies. For most outcomes, the adverse consequences of early childbearing are short-lived. Finally, for annual hours of work and earnings, we find that a teen mother would have lower levels of each at older ages if they had delayed their childbearing.

The premise is that teenage childbearing can function as a beneficial reproductive strategy in light of its ability to facilitate later uninterrupted labor.

Let's just take a look at the sexualization of young girls in the last 10 years.

These popular socially conservative sentiments aren't sufficient for us to make a sound analysis. Do you have any legitimate evidence that indicates a causative effect between this "sexualization" and a corresponding increase in "unwholesome" teenage sexual activity (not that I'm prepared to immediately condemn it as such anyway)? Are you aware that reports of skyrocketing rates of adolescent promiscuity are generally fraudulent in nature?

We also have the problem of media reports being uncritically swallowed by those who wish to criticize teenage sexual activity in general as unwholesome, but insufficient consideration of whether the media reports are actually true is of course a facet of this. For example:

There's been a disturbing new "game" among middle schoolers as of late. It's called Rings (or something). Each girl wears a different color lip gloss and goes down on a boy. The boy with the most rings wins. The kids say that BJs aren't really sex. Where did they hear that? I'm loathe to find the person who can participate in oral sex and not end up going all the way. Play with fire and all that.

The reference is to the "rainbow party" phenomenon, which seems to have been invented by Oprah. I don't know of any validated reports of there being a trend or even isolated instances of rainbow parties before she mentioned it or even if there is one now. It would seem obvious to anyone familiar with the mechanics of a blowjob (a good blowjob, admittedly), that the "ring" effect wouldn't even work because the colors would smear together, thus ruining the "rainbow."

I can;t help but think about those high shool girls in Gloucester MA last year who made a game of seeing who could get PG. It was an epidemic. Gloucester is not a conservative town. I doubt anyone was teaching abstinence in those schools. MA is traditionally very liberal. If we're going to blame politics, let's be honest.

Similarly, the "pregnancy pact" was evidently a total and complete fabrication by one individual that was immediately jumped on by the media because it delivered information about wildly irrational and disturbing teenage sexual misbehavior that they were eager to believe and insert into their propaganda.
 
This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one. I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.

LiveUninhibited and I support that position too, though we apply it a bit more expansively, if you ever saw this.
 
Link to it.
I believe in the right to biological self-determination.
From the time a female is able to reproduce, I believe she deserves the right to reproductive choice.
This is not a new opinion. I've never had a different one.
I do not believe in forcing pregnancies on young teens, nor do I believe in forcing abortions on them, nor do I believe in parental consent laws. Nor do I believe in laws that punish or penalize teens for having sex, in any way, shape or form.
"Adolescence" is a social construct.
Laws are stupid when they conflict with biological imperatives and biological realities. A person is old enough to have sex when he or she wants to. And a person is old enough to have kids when her body allows her to conceive one. She's also old enough to decide for herself whether or not to continue a pregnancy at that time.

This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one.
I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.



He is already twice the man you'll ever be.
I will get right on it
lets see, how long will it take to search 15,000 replies? hmmmmm
yeah ok
 
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