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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

Caine said:
I'll take note of that next time I feel like walking outside and swinging my dick around on my own porch, in plain view of everyone.


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Two entirely different statutes. You can be a dick not show your dick
 
PogueMoran said:
Two entirely different statutes. You can be a dick not show your dick
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Really? Because the disorderly conduct statue pretty much says you can't be too much of a dick in public to bother other people.

You are still within clean view of the public on your porch.
 
Crowley arrested Gates unlawfully, because he didn't have probable cause that Gates had committed an offense.

Crowley then tried to instigate a false charge against Gates.

Crowley then made an incident report that didn't contain enough evidence to warrant the filing of an information.

Crowley hasn't apologized for violating Gates' rights.

Gates should file a complaint with the Chief of Police. If the department doesn't discipline Crowley, Gates should sue Crowley. Otherwise, the lesson Crowley, and other corrupt officers, will take away from the incident is that cops are above the law.
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
Gates should file a complaint with the Chief of Police. If the department doesn't discipline Crowley, Gates should sue Crowley. Otherwise, the lesson Crowley, and other corrupt officers, will take away from the incident is that cops are above the law.
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You haven't been paying attention, have you?
 
Caine said:
Really? Because the disorderly conduct statue pretty much says you can't be too much of a dick in public to bother other people.
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Under Massachusetts law, protesters can block the exit road to a Air Force Base with their car and interfere repeatedly with tow trucks trying to move the cars and still not commit the offense of disorderly conduct.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Crowley arrested Gates unlawfully, because he didn't have probable cause that Gates had committed an offense.
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Gates broke into his own house. Until he was identified, there was all kinds of probable cause.

Crowley then tried to instigate a false charge against Gates.
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Gates interfered with an ongoing investigation. That's illegal. Scooter Libby is prison right now for doing the same thing.

Crowley then made an incident report that didn't contain enough evidence to warrant the filing of an information.

Crowley hasn't apologized for violating Gates' rights.
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Nor should he!

Gates should file a complaint with the Chief of Police. If the department doesn't discipline Crowley, Gates should sue Crowley. Otherwise, the lesson Crowley, and other corrupt officers, will take away from the incident is that cops are above the law.
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That just ain't gonna happen. Not after the Beer Summit.
 
apdst said:
Gates broke into his own house. Until he was identified, there was all kinds of probable cause.
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There was no probable cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct.

Gates interfered with an ongoing investigation.
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Yeah, right.

Scooter Libby is prison right now for doing the same thing.
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I don't think so, dude.

Nor should he!
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Crowley should apologize to Gates and ask Jesus to forgive him for violating Gates' god given right to be free from unreasonable seizure.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
There was no probable cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct.
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There was not only probable cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct, there was probable cause to arrest Gates for obstruction of justice.



I don't think so, dude.
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Scooter Libby isn't in jail for obstruction of justice?

Crowley should apologize to Gates and ask Jesus to forgive him for violating Gates' god given right to be free from unreasonable seizure.
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LMFAO!!!!...Crowley didn't seize anything!
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Crowley arrested Gates unlawfully, because he didn't have probable cause that Gates had committed an offense.
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Yes, he did, and he displayed that probable cause in his arrest report.


Crowley then tried to instigate a false charge against Gates.
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This is news to me. What exactly are you talking about this.. 'false charge'????


Crowley then made an incident report that didn't contain enough evidence to warrant the filing of an information.
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?? "the filing of an information" WTF does that even mean?


Crowley hasn't apologized for violating Gates' rights.
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I wouldn't apologize for doing my job either. No rights were violated.

Gates should file a complaint with the Chief of Police. If the department doesn't discipline Crowley, Gates should sue Crowley. Otherwise, the lesson Crowley, and other corrupt officers, will take away from the incident is that cops are above the law.
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They aren't above the law, they are the enforcers of the law. Durrrr.



Whip Comes Down said:
Under Massachusetts law, protesters can block the exit road to a Air Force Base with their car and interfere repeatedly with tow trucks trying to move the cars and still not commit the offense of disorderly conduct.
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Really? There is a statute that says you can do that? :rofl

Its not considered disorderly conduct, its considered impeding traffic.
 
apdst said:
LMFAO!!!!...Crowley didn't seize anything!
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Umm, actually yes he did.

He 'seized' Gates when he arrested him. An arrest is considered a 'seizure' under the 4th amendment of the constitution.
 
Caine said:
Umm, actually yes he did.

He 'seized' Gates when he arrested him. An arrest is considered a 'seizure' under the 4th amendment of the constitution.
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I stand corrected. I took the comment to mean that property was seized.
 
According to the local news here in Boston, Gates and Crowley have become quite friendly. They plan on meeting up again, possibly for a Red Sox game. Gates has joked about the incident while signing books on Martha's Vineyard, claiming that he'll get Crowley's kids into Harvard so long as Crowley doesn't arrest him again.

The way I see it, if these two can put this nonsense behind them, so should the rest of the United States, no?

-NC
 
apdst said:
There was not only probable cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct
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You're wrong, dude. Gates didn't engage in tumultuous conduct and there was no public alarm.

there was probable cause to arrest Gates for obstruction of justice.
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I don't think so, dude.

Scooter Libby isn't in jail for obstruction of justice?
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I know dude. Bush commuted his sentence.

LMFAO!!!!...Crowley didn't seize anything!
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Crowley seized Gates when he unlawfully arrested him.
 
Caine said:
Yes, he did, and he displayed that probable cause in his arrest report.
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Crowley didn't have probable cause that Gates engaged in tumultuous behavior or that he caused public alarm. Read the case law, dude. It wasn't even close to disorderly conduct.

This is news to me. What exactly are you talking about this.. 'false charge'????
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The false charge that Gates committed disorderly conduct by engaging in tumultuous behavior that cause public alarm.

?? "the filing of an information" WTF does that even mean?
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If the offense is a misdemeanor, the charging instrument is called an Information.
 
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You're wrong, dude. Gates didn't engage in tumultuous conduct and there was no public alarm.
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The Black and hispanic officers felt like he committed a crime. We didn't see them get fingered with a racism charge, though. Did we?

Bottom line is, had Gates, a Harvard Professor, had been smart enough to to cooperate, this wouldn't have ever hit the news. But, no, Gates saw a chance to become a Civil Rights martyr and jumped in with both feet.
 
NortheastCynic said:
According to the local news here in Boston, Gates and Crowley have become quite friendly. They plan on meeting up again, possibly for a Red Sox game. Gates has joked about the incident while signing books on Martha's Vineyard, claiming that he'll get Crowley's kids into Harvard so long as Crowley doesn't arrest him again.

The way I see it, if these two can put this nonsense behind them, so should the rest of the United States, no?

-NC
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I'm friends with several dumb cops.
 
apdst said:
The Black and hispanic officers felt like he committed a crime. We didn't see them get fingered with a racism charge, though. Did we?

Bottom line is, had Gates, a Harvard Professor, had been smart enough to to cooperate, this wouldn't have ever hit the news. But, no, Gates saw a chance to become a Civil Rights martyr and jumped in with both feet.
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If Crowley had been smart enough not to arrest a man without probable cause, this would have been no big deal. Crowley needs to learn the case law on disorderly conduct.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Crowley didn't have probable cause that Gates engaged in tumultuous behavior or that he caused public alarm. Read the case law, dude. It wasn't even close to disorderly conduct.
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So I assume you were present? Because the word tumultuous was specifically used in the report. I'd take the officer who was presents word over yours, someone who was not present.


The false charge that Gates committed disorderly conduct by engaging in tumultuous behavior that cause public alarm.
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As you were not present, I think I'll take his word over yours.

If the offense is a misdemeanor, the charging instrument is called an Information.
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Again, news to me. As a sworn officer myself Ive never heard this term mentioned, must be a yankee thing. Here we call it an "affidavit".
 
Whip Comes Down said:
It's case law.

COMMONWEALTH vs. JOEL FEIGENBAUM.

404 Mass. 471

November 8, 1988 - April 4, 1989

Present: HENNESSEY, C.J., LIACOS, ABRAMS, NOLAN, & O'CONNOR, JJ.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058170979
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Jesus... :roll:

Learn to know what case law means before you use it.

It doesn't say that doing this is legal.

The case states that the actions displayed did not fall under DISORDERLY CONDUCT, nowhere does it state that this is legal.

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Whip Comes Down said:
If Crowley had been smart enough not to arrest a man without probable cause, this would have been no big deal. Crowley needs to learn the case law on disorderly conduct.
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.....Says the guy who runs around on the internet making up laws based on his lack of ability to understand court decisions (see above) and who also runs around calling cops dumb on the internetsss.

There was probable cause. YOU need to learn the case law on disorderly conduct.
 
Caine said:
So I assume you were present? Because the word tumultuous was specifically used in the report. I'd take the officer who was presents word over yours, someone who was not present.
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Gates' behavior, as described by Crowley in his report, didn't even come close to being tumultuous.

In the case of the Commonwealth vs. Lopiano (60 Mass. App. Ct. 723), the court ruled that it wasn't tumultuous behavior for a person to flail his arms, yell that a police officer was violating his civil rights and yell at a woman he was accused of assaulting.

The court wrote:

"To be disorderly, within the sense of the statute, the conduct must disturb through acts other than speech; neither a provocative nor a foul mouth transgresses the statute. Commonwealth v. LePore, 40 Mass. App. Ct. 543 , 546 (1996)."​
 
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