Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

PogueMoran said:

The president and race has nothing to do with the police report and what this woman is now saying. If you want to call the president a race baiter make another thread.

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Gates/obama are race baiters, has everything to do with this thread. Just because you don't like talking about it.... no my problem friend. :2wave:

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

Gates/obama are race baiters, has everything to do with this thread. Just because you don't like talking about it.... no my problem friend. :2wave:

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Well considering you brought this up in regards to my reply about the woman claiming she never said they were black is entirely irrelevant. But please shaolin master tell us how Obama is a race baiter since you seem to be in the know as they say

PogueMoran said:

Actually after Gates asked for his ID again in the report he told Gates he'd have to come outside. Again there are two sides to every story we have yet to hear Gates' full side and everyone has focused on Crowley's side. So again I ask what harm would it have done if the officer just left the property? Obviously he felt some threat to his authority because Gates called other officers to the scene.

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The cop himself has stated he was attempting to radio information in, but couldn't hear or be heard due to the noise level inside the house.

I'm much more likely to trust the cop, even more so because it's more logical then the alternative and is backed up by witnesses, then I am to trust a professor whos first inclination is to scream racism at a cop doing nothing more then investigating a possible break-in.

PogueMoran said:

Well considering you brought this up in regards to my reply about the woman claiming she never said they were black is entirely irrelevant. But please shaolin master tell us how Obama is a race baiter since you seem to be in the know as they say

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Uhm did you watch his healthcare speech where he claimed he would be shot, and about the stupidity of the cambridge police?


Do you recall where he said his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people"?


did you read "Dreams of my father" "white mans greed runs a world in need"?


Have you been to his church?

buck said:

The cop himself has stated he was attempting to radio information in, but couldn't hear or be heard due to the noise level inside the house.

I'm much more likely to trust the cop, even more so because it's more logical then the alternative and is backed up by witnesses, then I am to trust a professor whos first inclination is to scream racism at a cop doing nothing more then investigating a possible break-in.

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but once again this whole racism thing is based off the cop's testimony. So we have yet to hear the whole story

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

Uhm did you watch his healthcare speech where he claimed he would be shot, and about the stupidity of the cambridge police?


Do you recall where he said his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people"?


did you read "Dreams of my father" "white mans greed runs a world in need"?


Have you been to his church?

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Yeah I actually did watch his healthcare speech where in the speech did he claim he would be shot? Do you have the line with the preceding and following sentence to provide context?

Obama's remarks on the stupidity comment: “The Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.”

He said it was stupid for the police to arrest someone when there was proof they were in their own home. Not race-baiting.

His grandma quote: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

It was not about his grandmother being racist just acting certain ways towards people she doesn't know. Read into it how you like its obvious you hear what you want to hear.

Also do you have the full paragraph from page 293 in Dreams of My Father where he quotes Wright as saying that?

Okay so he went to a church where Wright was pastor but honestly how many of Wright's sermons have you seen other than small clips on youtube. I'm sure I could pick crazy quotes out of millions from your pastor as well and even so you're talking guilt by association. So you're saying part of the reason you think Obama is a race baiter is because of Wright. This would be the same as saying McCain believes in Assassination because of the crazies at his rally who shouted kill him when mentioning Obama. Not entirely a fair assumption. More proof needed.

PogueMoran said:

(1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
(2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
(3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons;

Okay so if anything Gates may have reached one of the clauses in 2. But 2 alone isn't enough to arrest someone. Being inside his own home he did not fit clause 3.

Also in Commonwealth v. Mulvey, 57 Mass. App. Ct. 579 it was determined that the presence of a police officer is not enough for a place to be considered to be a public area. Thus Gates' behavior was not considered to be public in accordance to the findings in Commonwealth v Mulvey.

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Yo, the racist bigot professor was making unreasonable noises and continued to do so after he was asked to grow up...er calm down, and he did so before a crowd of lawfully assembled persons, therefore satisfying both (2) and (3).

PogueMoran said:

Crowley had asked Gates to come outside even that is in the police report. If everything was done properly the charges wouldn't have been dropped. Once again according to Commonwealth v Melvey the appearance of a police officer does not connotate public behavior. The people were gathered already because the police were on scene.

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I love the ignorant juvies that claim the charges wouldn't have been dropped.

Charges of disorderly conduct are almost always dropped if there was no assualt, because the DA simply has better things to do with his time than spank babies.

Also, this particular violator was politically well connected and the DA was perfectly aware that the story of this racist pig's overreaction was international news, and he did what he could to calm the furor caused by the racist pig now in his jail.

Seriously, learn how things work before getting so excited.

PogueMoran said:

Yeah I actually did watch his healthcare speech where in the speech did he claim he would be shot? Do you have the line with the preceding and following sentence to provide context?

Obama's remarks on the stupidity comment: “The Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.”

He said it was stupid for the police to arrest someone when there was proof they were in their own home. Not race-baiting.

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Race baiting.

That ignorant boob of a messiah you're supporting flapped his jaws over a circumstance he had no direct knowledge of, but automatically blamed the white boy.

Racist.

PogueMoran said:

Yeah I actually did watch his healthcare speech where in the speech did he claim he would be shot? Do you have the line with the preceding and following sentence to provide context?

Obama's remarks on the stupidity comment: “The Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.”

He said it was stupid for the police to arrest someone when there was proof they were in their own home. Not race-baiting.

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:lamo:

I am not even going to wast time on this.... :roll:

His grandma quote: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

It was not about his grandmother being racist just acting certain ways towards people she doesn't know. Read into it how you like its obvious you hear what you want to hear.

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You are kidding right? :lamo:

Also do you have the full paragraph from page 293 in Dreams of My Father where he quotes Wright as saying that?

Okay so he went to a church where Wright was pastor but honestly how many of Wright's sermons have you seen other than small clips on youtube. I'm sure I could pick crazy quotes out of millions from your pastor as well and even so you're talking guilt by association. So you're saying part of the reason you think Obama is a race baiter is because of Wright. This would be the same as saying McCain believes in Assassination because of the crazies at his rally who shouted kill him when mentioning Obama. Not entirely a fair assumption. More proof needed.

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I love excuse makers.... Makes responding easy..... :roll:

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

Uhm did you watch his healthcare speech where he claimed he would be shot, and about the stupidity of the cambridge police?

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Obama was making a joke about what would happen if he somehow "lost his keys" and tried to jimmy his way into the White House. He's right, if that happened, Rest Assured he would be shot.

WillRockwell said:

Obama was making a joke about what would happen if he somehow "lost his keys" and tried to jimmy his way into the White House. He's right, if that happened, Rest Assured he would be shot.

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In context, to the cambridge thing it would be because he was black. You revisionists are funny today. :lamo

The same people who say things like my home is my castle and claim to be anti big government turn into boot lickers if i guy puts on a uniform.

NDNdancer said:

It's pretty interesting that of allllll the hoopla this incident is getting, not one person has questioned the 'neighbor' who called in the "breakin by two black men with backpacks".

Says a whole lot about refusing to grant interviews and just keeping your damn mouth shut.

I guess I understand Gates. After years of learning to just put up with ****, sometimes you just wanna go ape**** on someone. He shoulda picked a better incident though.

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She never included the word "black" for your information.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Yo, the racist bigot professor was making unreasonable noises and continued to do so after he was asked to grow up...er calm down, and he did so before a crowd of lawfully assembled persons, therefore satisfying both (2) and (3).

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Racist bigot? He doesn't even fit the definition of a racist meaning he thinks his own race is far superior to other and has an extreme hatred of other races. Throughout Gates' career he had been harrassed people saying he didn't have the credentials for harvard even though his detractors were far less qualified. Other professors questioning his pay at Duke. Yes it was wrong for him to say the things that thus far have been attributed to him. But calling him a racist out of one incident without further proof of other occurances isn't enough to call him a racist or a bigot. Also his conduct didn't fit clause 1. and the assembly occurred because of curious onlookers as what usually happens when a cop car shows up at someone's house. Again what was the harm in the cop just walking away and leaving and letting Gates cool off on his own. It was a private neighborhood who exactly was Gates harming at this point? The cop's ego?

WillRockwell said:

Obama was making a joke about what would happen if he somehow "lost his keys" and tried to jimmy his way into the White House. He's right, if that happened, Rest Assured he would be shot.

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No he wouldn't. You don't think the secret service has some sort of rule of "target identification"?

mikhail said:

The same people who say things like my home is my castle and claim to be anti big government turn into boot lickers if i guy puts on a uniform.

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You want the police to ignore someone breaking into your house and not investigate it.

Noted.

PogueMoran said:

Racist bigot? He doesn't even fit the definition of a racist meaning he thinks his own race is far superior to other and has an extreme hatred of other races. Throughout Gates' career he had been harrassed people saying he didn't have the credentials for harvard even though his detractors were far less qualified. Other professors questioning his pay at Duke. Yes it was wrong for him to say the things that thus far have been attributed to him. But calling him a racist out of one incident without further proof of other occurances isn't enough to call him a racist or a bigot. Also his conduct didn't fit clause 1. and the assembly occurred because of curious onlookers as what usually happens when a cop car shows up at someone's house. Again what was the harm in the cop just walking away and leaving and letting Gates cool off on his own. It was a private neighborhood who exactly was Gates harming at this point? The cop's ego?

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The officer described his actions outside that led to the warnings and then the arrest as 'tumultuous'.

Its in the report.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

:lamo:

I am not even going to wast time on this.... :roll:






You are kidding right? :lamo:









I love excuse makers.... Makes responding easy..... :roll:

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So in other words you can't back up what you say. If you make a claim I actually expect you to provide real tangible proof and not just get apathetic in your reply. Don't tell me show me. The term race baiting has been overused quite a bit in this last year with anyone and everyone without a general idea of what the term actually means.

From wiki
Race baiting is an act of using racially derisive language, actions or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or groups of people, or to make those persons behave in ways that are inimical to their personal or group interests.

Now in order to fit the criteria you have to prove intent. So where in any of that can you prove Obama 1. meant to incite anger, 2. intimidate or incite persons or groups to behave differently?

I'm still waiting from the quote from the healthcare speech where you claimed Obama said he might be shot.

And the quote from Dreams from my father were not Obama's words but Reverand Wrights. So again how was he race-baiting?

frazier991 said:

She never included the word "black" for your information.

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Yeah that means that the police report had some errors in it as the report claimed she did describe what she thought to be two african americans approaching the house.

Caine said:

The officer described his actions outside that led to the warnings and then the arrest as 'tumultuous'.

Its in the report.

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The officer also told him to come outside to get the cops badge number and name after the third time Gates asked for it. Again most of this came from the argument inside to which Gates felt he was harrassed after he proved he was who he said he was with 2 separate IDs.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

In context, to the cambridge thing it would be because he was black. You revisionists are funny today. :lamo

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Now you're the one making this racial trying to explain things away. So this quote wasn't in regards to healthcare as you claimed. No wonder you couldn't provide context

PogueMoran said:

Now you're the one making this racial trying to explain things away. So this quote wasn't in regards to healthcare as you claimed. No wonder you couldn't provide context

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someone didn't watch the news conference.... :lamo

PogueMoran said:

The officer also told him to come outside to get the cops badge number and name after the third time Gates asked for it. Again most of this came from the argument inside to which Gates felt he was harrassed after he proved he was who he said he was with 2 separate IDs.

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I think you are picking and choosing which parts of which story you want to use.

PogueMoran said:

Yeah that means that the police report had some errors in it as the report claimed she did describe what she thought to be two african americans approaching the house.

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......"In an interview last night, Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert C. Haas said it was ac curate that Whalen did not mention race in her 911 call. He acknowledged that a police report of the incident did include a race reference. The report says Whalen observed “what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the front porch’’ of a Ware Street home on July 16.

That reference is there, said Haas, because the police report is a summary. Its descriptions - like the race of the two men - were collected during the inquiry, not necessarily from the initial 911 call, he said.".......even if she did mention race-it wouldn't matter. This is just another case of black whining.
Source: Boston.com SICK of VICTIM mentality.