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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

Coronado said:
I'm not sure how many different ways I have to explain it to you before you get it. I don't care that it's not a court case; the onus is always on the state because the alternative to that is tyranny. I don't want to live in a country where the police are correct until they can be proven wrong.
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Nowhere did I say that cops are infallible and should always be believed. Nowhere did I say that cops should be correct until they are proven wrong. I'm talking about the incident itself. Spare me the bull**** crap about innocent until proven guilty. You aren't the legal system and are capable of having an opinion about the incident and siding with one side more than the other. I'm asking you specifically why you side with Gates when, as you say, the cop is no more or less credible than anyone else. Do you get it now? :doh
 
Coronado said:
I'm not going to hold your hand on this. Go back and read the series of responses in their entirety if you still don't get it. Thanks.
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So you have nothing to back up your absurd "straw man" claim. Gotcha.

Try looking up the meaning of words before you actively use them in discussions. It will help to avoid further confusion. :2wave:
 
Okay, let me make certain I understand the NEW standard for racism; if you are an officer called to investigate a break-in and it is a black man who happens to live there and left his keys inside, and when you accost the "suspect" not knowing if he is the legitimate owner, and then that owner refuses to provide you ID and starts cussing and yelling at you claiming you are a racist, the cop is a racist?

This ass-hole probably went on an idiotic rant and the officers, being human, could only take so much of this moron’s abuse and correctly arrested him for interfering with their ability to do their jobs.

Solution: next time you see a black man breaking into the home, ignore it and move along. We can't have the President of the USA thinking the police are idiots for assuming that someone breaking into a house actually owns it. :roll:

Here's a bet; if it had been a white guy, they would have acted the same way except it would not have been NEWS! You see, white males do not have the same rights as a black or Hispanic male.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Nowhere did I say that cops are infallible and should always be believed. Nowhere did I say that cops should be correct until they are proven wrong. I'm talking about the incident itself. Spare me the bull**** crap about innocent until proven guilty. You aren't the legal system and are capable of having an opinion about the incident and siding with one side more than the other. I'm asking you specifically why you side with Gates when, as you say, the cop is no more or less credible than anyone else. Do you get it now? :doh
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Asked and answered. Moving on.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So you have nothing to back up your absurd "straw man" claim. Gotcha.

Try looking up the meaning of words before you actively use them in discussions. It will help to avoid further confusion. :2wave:
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No, it means you can't read. Not my problem.
 
Coronado said:
No, it means you can't read. Not my problem.
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Try coming at least a little prepared next time you paint yourself into a corner. :2wave:

And by prepared I don't mean repeatedly using lame insults over and over again. :lol:
 
Truth Detector said:
Okay, let me make certain I understand the NEW standard for racism; if you are an officer called to investigate a break-in and it is a black man who happens to live there and left his keys inside, and when you accost the "suspect" not knowing if he is the legitimate owner, and then that owner refuses to provide you ID and starts cussing and yelling at you claiming you are a racist, the cop is a racist?

This ass-hole probably went on an idiotic rant and the officers, being human, could only take so much of this moron’s abuse and correctly arrested him for interfering with their ability to do their jobs.

Solution: next time you see a black man breaking into the home, ignore it and move along. We can't have the President of the USA thinking the police are idiots for assuming that someone breaking into a house actually owns it. :roll:

Here's a bet; if it had been a white guy, they would have acted the same way except it would not have been NEWS! You see, white males do not have the same rights as a black or Hispanic male.
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I think it's obvious that this isn't a case of racism. That seems to be the knee-jerk reaction of almost every story involving an African American and the police. Did the cop act inappropriately? Perhaps. I think it's obvious that a cop doesn't have to be racist to act inappropriately. By the sounds of it, Gates didn't exactly try to diffuse the situation. I don't think it warrants getting arrested, but that's just my opinion.
 
Assuming some of you can read follow this link and read the officail police report and you will see this RACIST was treated with respect and he caused his problems himself. After you read write the Racist in Chief Obama and tell him to sit down and shut up until learns know the facts.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police report on Gates arrest.PDF
 
Councilman said:
Assuming some of you can read follow this link and read the officail police report and you will see this RACIST was treated with respect and he caused his problems himself. After you read write the Racist in Chief Obama and tell him to sit down and shut up until learns know the facts.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police report on Gates arrest.PDF
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Everyone has their own opinion of the situation and the President is no different. I don't think it was very professional and Presidential to characterize the events as "stupid", but that may just be me. I don't think Obama is racist though.
 
Caine said:
Because cops are evil and distrustful racist pigs who should all burn in hell and die? :roll:
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That's beside the point.

Racist college perfessors and their friends should be the fuel that feeds the fire that burns up the cops.

I'm an equal opportunity sneerer.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I think it's obvious that this isn't a case of racism. That seems to be the knee-jerk reaction of almost every story involving an African American and the police. Did the cop act inappropriately? Perhaps. I think it's obvious that a cop doesn't have to be racist to act inappropriately. By the sounds of it, Gates didn't exactly try to diffuse the situation. I don't think it warrants getting arrested, but that's just my opinion.
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Once again we would be in agreement. :2wave:
 
Councilman said:
Assuming some of you can read follow this link and read the officail police report and you will see this RACIST was treated with respect and he caused his problems himself. After you read write the Racist in Chief Obama and tell him to sit down and shut up until learns know the facts.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police report on Gates arrest.PDF
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Why shouldn't the professor accuse the police of racial bias after they accost him and rough him up in his own home? Because a black man could not live in Cambridge? Go wash your sheets.
 
WillRockwell said:
I don't think Dr. Gates has ever complained that "the man" was "holding him down". But if he was arrested in his own house, it is possible that racism played a part in it.
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Well, yes. If he wasn'ta racist, he wouldn't have started a fight with the cops.


That's perfectly clear.

Under no circumstance would the cops just bust in, see the black guy, and start harassing him. Not in that neighborhood, not those cops. Cops are the most politically sensitive people around, since they have to know who's ass to kiss to get promoted, and they know perfectly well that **** rolls to the bottom of the hill, where they are.

Nope, the story that this poor innocent old man was set upon by a squad of angry racist cops for no reason at all does not wash.

WillRockwell said:
What I find curious is your knee-jerk defense, and your use of archaic racial slogans in defense of the arresting officers. You speak of perpetuating myths...behind your hysterical reaction I see the shadows of men in sheets.
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That's very freudian. Do you like men between the sheets?
 
WillRockwell said:
Why shouldn't the professor accuse the police of racial bias after they accost him and rough him up in his own home? Because a black man could not live in Cambridge? Go wash your sheets.
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Why do you make assumptions out of thin air? Honestly, what evidence is there of racial bias here? A cop would have arrested a white person for doing the exact same thing as Gates did, which was elevate the situation unnecessarily. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. The situation should have diffused immediately after he provided them with proof that it was his house. However, Gates chose to elevate the situation and was arrested for it. Where exactly is the racism? And please, spare us idiotic KKK comparisons just because we don't see racism in this incident.
 
bhkad said:
Pres. Obama called the Police actions, "stupid" in tonite's press conference.
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That's right. How dare the cops expect a black man in his fifties to be able to control himself and not create a disorderly public disturbance? How dare they do to that man what they'd do to any white man in the same circumstance?

The Messiah's inherent racism shines through again.
 
WillRockwell said:
Why shouldn't the professor accuse the police of racial bias after they accost him and rough him up in his own home?
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It is of absolutely no surprise to me that you assume, even if they did that, that their motivation MUST be racist.

You are a caricature of self-parody.
 
WillRockwell said:
Gates is free to say anything he wants in his own home, that's one of those personal freedoms you righties whine about. Remember? The point about this case is that if Dr. Gates, who was named one of the 25 most influential Americans, can be arrested in his own home, what chance does a random black man have?
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So, what you're saying is that influential people should have a different standard of treatment from everyone else.

The reality is that since you now admit that the average white guy would get arrested under those same circumstances, then logically, it was just and proper for this racist guy to get arrested also, and with no consideration made for his tan or his ever so prominent position that no one's ever heard of.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Everyone has their own opinion of the situation and the President is no different. I don't think it was very professional and Presidential to characterize the events as "stupid", but that may just be me. I don't think Obama is racist though.
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If he's not a RACIST why did he order charges dropped against the Black Panthers that were about to be sentenced for violating laws against blocking access to polling places? Why did he order the I.G. investigating the crooked Black Mayor fired and the investigation dropped.
He's a racist and maybe he gets it from his wife. He said that officers who were doing there jobs were stupid when he knew nothing and then made another racist remark about being shot. Give me a break he;s a total racist and he proved is in his own words.
And don't anyone give me any crap about well he didn't do these things someone under him did it. Bull Shiite.
 
WillRockwell said:
According to the police report, Gates repeatedly yelled charges of racial bias against the cops. In his own home. He did not threaten them. He was within his rights and acting legally. Since the charges have now been dropped, the court agrees.
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Are you people really such gullible saps?

You don't ever see the hand of politics in any event involving the self-important irrelevant famous but very noisy and well connected academe and the local district attorney?

The charges were dropped because if the case ever went to trial, the DA couldn't get a conviction, and if he pursued the matter, all the fat cat donors in Cambridge would dry up and he'd never get elected again.

Welcome to the real ****ing world, bud.
 
Aside from the fact that it never reached a "court" for it to "agree." :roll:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
All he said was that they made a "stupid" mistake. Did he choose the wrong words? Absolutely. However, I didn't really see a blatant comment about racism in what he said.
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They didn't make a mistake, they arrested an out-of-control disorderly citizen.

That's their job.
 
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