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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

justabubba said:
a man is in his home
he provides identification upon request
and THEN he gets arrested

and you are ok with that

must be the kool aid
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Yes, As I stated, he then gets arrested after they leave the home and he follows them outside on the public streets yelling swearing cursing and causing a disturbance that makes nearby residents to stop what they were doing and look over at this madman. He was disturbing the peace on public property and was arrested for disorderly conduct, NOT Breaking or Entering.

You failure to address that part of my previous post is noted.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I didn't realize there was even a debate going on. :lol:

All I saw was you attacking people who dared to question the police. You are obviously biased so the idea of any sort of reasonable debate happening is a joke.



I guess the problem is that you see someone referring to specific instances involving specific cops and you immediately take it as an affront to cops everywhere and that's ridiculous. So no, the two really aren't comparable at all, but nice try. :2wave:
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Patrick do you not read?

Do I have to, once again, repost the part where he made blanket negative statements about all cops, and then affirmed it in a reply that I fail to address because I know the argument will go nowhere but having to listen to him once again cry and whine "oh poor me" syndrome?
 
Caine said:
Patrick do you not read?

Do I have to, once again, repost the part where he made blanket negative statements about all cops, and then affirmed it in a reply that I fail to address because I know the argument will go nowhere but having to listen to him once again cry and whine "oh poor me" syndrome?
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That was one example. You went after my examples as well and I didn't make any blanket statements about cops.
 
metreon said:
It sounds as if no one read the details, - Prof. Gates DID give his license AND Harvard ID to the officer when asked. Identification was NOT the issue. Gates DID identify himself and provided evidence that was his home. But it also sounds like Gates was being obnoxious, too, brow beating the officier.

The officier had asked Gates to step outside his home, and that is the point at which Gates refused, presumably because he knew his rights better than the officer did. At least that's the story Gates is giving for his refusal to continue to cooperate after he had already identified himself, saying the officer would have needed a warrant to go any further.

I don't want to defend Gates all the way, because it did sound like he was getting huffy about it all, but still... after the officer saw the ID he should have immediately apologized for the inconvenience, turned around, and left with no further orders or questions asked.
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In the report I read, Gates never produced a state ID, only a Harvard ID. Whether or not that ID had an address on it is unknown to me, and was not mentioned in the official report, as, the officer still had mentioned that he felt certain (not confirmed) that this was the man's house.

The officer then went outside where the man continued after him, cursing and acting beligerant and calling him a racist for doing his job :)roll:) The officer noticed that this man's yelling and cursing was disturbing people in the area, he asked him to calm down several times, the racist black man refused, so he was arrested.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I guess the problem is that you see someone referring to specific instances involving specific cops and you immediately take it as an affront to cops everywhere and that's ridiculous. So no, the two really aren't comparable at all, but nice try. :2wave:
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Apparently we must go through this again Sir Patrick. I recommend actually reading rather than hitting the reply button as soon as you read my first two words of reply.


Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So, yeah, abuse of power is routine among cops.

Cops are often thugs with badges.
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Caine said:
That sounds like a rare jack ass. There are jack asses in every profession, policing is no exception.
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Nope, fairly common cop behavior, in fact.
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Oh, yeah, because the preponderance of the evidence is that cops believe they're above the law, they abuse the law, and, oh yeah, they cover up for their fellow cops who do the same.
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Those don't sound like examples of a specific cop.
 
Caine said:
Apparently we must go through this again Sir Patrick. I recommend actually reading rather than hitting the reply button as soon as you read my first two words of reply.

Those don't sound like examples of a specific cop.
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Hmm...actually no. No we don't need to go over it again. Please cite examples of blanket statements I've made and then we can discuss it. Otherwise I have no interest in continuing the discussion with you.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Hmm...actually no. No we don't need to go over it again. Please cite examples of blanket statements I've made and then we can discuss it. Otherwise I have no interest in continuing the discussion with you.
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I apologize if you don't like me displaying where Scarecrow, the guy you were defending, was making blanket statements.
 
metreon said:
It sounds as if no one read the details, - Prof. Gates DID give his license AND Harvard ID to the officer when asked. Identification was NOT the issue. Gates DID identify himself and provided evidence that was his home. But it also sounds like Gates was being obnoxious, too, brow beating the officier.
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There you go. Guilty as no longer charged.
 
Caine said:
The update information is just pathetic.

All it tells black people in America is that if you scream loud enough about racism your charges will be dropped.

Even if they were legitimate.
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Rodney King already hammered that lesson home.
 
What I see in the published documents allowed to remain on the internet is that this goons FRIENDS claim, without substantation and WITHOUT BEING PRESENT that the goon provided the ID requested.

Not a shred of evidence in the public news accounts backs this up.

So why are THESE PEOPLE on this thread defending the goon automatically assuming the cop was "racist" against a black man?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
What I see in the published documents allowed to remain on the internet is that this goons FRIENDS claim, without substantation and WITHOUT BEING PRESENT that the goon provided the ID requested.

Not a shred of evidence in the public news accounts backs this up.

So why are THESE PEOPLE on this thread defending the goon automatically assuming the cop was "racist" against a black man?
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Because cops are evil and distrustful racist pigs who should all burn in hell and die? :roll:
 
Caine said:
Because cops are evil and distrustful racist pigs who should all burn in hell and die? :roll:
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No. Because they have to perpetuate the myth that blacks can't make it not because they don't prepare themselves but because The Man is still holding them down. Just because the Man is now The Messiah doesn't matter. People like Gates and certainly the people he would call friends all make their living perpetuating that myth, and they're not going to give it up, no way, no how.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No. Because they have to perpetuate the myth that blacks can't make it not because they don't prepare themselves but because The Man is still holding them down. Just because the Man is now The Messiah doesn't matter. People like Gates and certainly the people he would call friends all make their living perpetuating that myth, and they're not going to give it up, no way, no how.
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I don't think Dr. Gates has ever complained that "the man" was "holding him down". But if he was arrested in his own house, it is possible that racism played a part in it.
What I find curious is your knee-jerk defense, and your use of archaic racial slogans in defense of the arresting officers. You speak of perpetuating myths...behind your hysterical reaction I see the shadows of men in sheets.
 
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Pres. Obama called the Police actions, "stupid" in tonite's press conference.
 
justabubba said:
a man is in his home
he provides identification upon request
and THEN he gets arrested

and you are ok with that

must be the kool aid
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Sure, based on the facts you present, it does seem like a questionable arrest. However, did you read the police report?
 
bhkad said:
Pres. Obama called the Police actions, "stupid" in tonite's press conference.
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I just found out about that. I am incredibly disappointed that he would say that. Asshole.
 
aps said:
I just found out about that. I am incredibly disappointed that he would say that. Asshole.
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Why, their action were stupid. The mad proved it was his home yet he still gets arrested? This is acceptable behavior why?
 
FreeTh!nk3r said:
Why, their action were stupid. The mad proved it was his home yet he still gets arrested? This is acceptable behavior why?
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First, he didn't need to call their actions "stupid." He could have said, "Their actions were questionable," something to that effect. Did you read the police report? Assuming the facts were true (and, to me, they were too detailed for me to find them untrue), Gates berated the police officer and was warned that he could be arrested. He was so pissed off, he continued to berate the police officer and follow him around. The person who was stupid in this instance was Gates, IMO.

I expected Obama to give a more sophisticated answer. He wasn't there when this happened, and to say their actions were "stupid," is ridiculous. Somehow, I doubt he read the police report.
 
This only confirms my belief that the facts reported by the police officer who arrested Gates are entirely credible. Good for him for saying there will be no apology. I agree.


'There will be no apology'

Crowley said he's grateful he has the support of his police force. He said he's not worried about any possible disciplinary action.

"There will be no apology," he said outside his home Wednesday.

The Boston Herald reported that Crowley gave dying Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in 1993. The 27-year-[]old forward suffered a fatal heart attack during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.

Obama: Cops ?acted stupidly? in scholar?s arrest - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com
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Yeah, a man who gives a black man mouth-to-mouth resuscitation is a racist. :roll:
 
aps said:
First, he didn't need to call their actions "stupid." He could have said, "Their actions were questionable," something to that effect. Did you read the police report? Assuming the facts were true (and, to me, they were too detailed for me to find them untrue), Gates berated the police officer and was warned that he could be arrested. He was so pissed off, he continued to berate the police officer and follow him around. The person who was stupid in this instance was Gates, IMO.

I expected Obama to give a more sophisticated answer. He wasn't there when this happened, and to say their actions were "stupid," is ridiculous. Somehow, I doubt he read the police report.
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It's comforting to hear the President call a spade a spade. :2razz:
 
WillRockwell said:
It's comforting to hear the President call a spade a spade. :2razz:
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Pun intended?

Frankly, it's NOT comforting to me to hear the President speak without having conducted the proper research (i.e., reading the police report).
 
The sad thing is that this type of thing goes on day after day in this country. The only reason this came to the light it has is because the victim in this case had some social status.

Everytime it begins to appear that we have moved forward as a country, something like this comes along and shows how far we have to go.
 
disneydude said:
The sad thing is that this type of thing goes on day after day in this country. The only reason this came to the light it has is because the victim in this case had some social status.

Everytime it begins to appear that we have moved forward as a country, something like this comes along and shows how far we have to go.
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Really? Are you serious? There was a black police officer present when Gates was arrested. I posted above how the officer who arrested Gates had provided mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to Reggie Lewis in 1993.

Yesterday, there was a great article about this from a honkey married to a black woman. Their alarm went off in the middle of the night, and the police showed up and demanded that he provide identification. See below.

My wife called the alarm company and gave them the code for a false alert.

Then two cops showed up.

The first thing they did was ask me to step outside. The second thing they did was to ask me for my identification, to prove that I lived there. They were demanding and they were not friendly. They kept their flashlights in my face. They did not take my word for it that it was my house, though I was as white as they were.

Once I showed them my driver's license with the address, they asked if anyone else was inside, and then they asked if they could look around the place.

Essay: Neely Tucker on the Police Issues in the Arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.
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Again, based on the police report, Gates was completely out of control and he deserved to be arrested.
 
aps said:
Really? Are you serious? There was a black police officer present when Gates was arrested. I posted above how the officer who arrested Gates had provided mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to Reggie Lewis in 1993.

Yesterday, there was a great article about this from a honkey married to a black woman. Their alarm went off in the middle of the night, and the police showed up and demanded that he provide identification. See below.



Again, based on the police report, Gates was completely out of control and he deserved to be arrested.
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Aps...c'mon. Do honestly believe that police write their police reports accurately? No. They are written to justify an arrest. Gates probably did get out of control, after the officers got out of control and failed to accept his offer of identification.
Too often the police respond to a situation and immediately look for any evidence to substantiate a claim.
Its the arrest now and ask questions later mentality that has to change in this country.
 
aps said:
Really? Are you serious? There was a black police officer present when Gates was arrested. I posted above how the officer who arrested Gates had provided mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to Reggie Lewis in 1993.

Yesterday, there was a great article about this from a honkey married to a black woman. Their alarm went off in the middle of the night, and the police showed up and demanded that he provide identification. See below.



Again, based on the police report, Gates was completely out of control and he deserved to be arrested.
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Gates is free to say anything he wants in his own home, that's one of those personal freedoms you righties whine about. Remember? The point about this case is that if Dr. Gates, who was named one of the 25 most influential Americans, can be arrested in his own home, what chance does a random black man have?
 
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