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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

ARealConservative said:
they regret arresting him on this bogus charge, that much is perfectly clear.
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How do you come to this conclusion? Calling an incident regretable isn't saying that they regret arresting him on this "bogus" charge. Did you read the entire statement made by the person who called the incident regretable?
 
aps said:
How do you come to this conclusion? Calling an incident regretable isn't saying that they regret arresting him on this "bogus" charge. Did you read the entire statement made by the person who called the incident regretable?
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the arrest is the incident they regret when they announced that the charges were dropped.
 
Lerxst said:
Okay, so he did invite Gates outside. There was no legitimate purpose in the officer doing that. He could have just left. But he didn't, he invited him to follow him outside. If he knows Gates is berating him then why would he want to invited him outside to continue the incident? So again I ask you, why did he invite him outside...because your answer does not suffice.
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The police report states that the acoustics in the house were such that the radio, along with Gates irrational shouting, made hearing difficult.

One invites the irrational asshole outside because it lessons the territorial imperative of the racist bigot asshole and perhaps provides him an opportunity to calm down.

One invitest the racist biot raving ass outside because if he becomes violent it's both easier to handle him in the open and because there's fellow officers outside to give assistance.

And one also invites the irrational racist raving bigot out into the public square so that if he persists in his near-violent clearly abusive behavior he can be charged for disorderly behavior and arrested.

Four perfectly valid reasons.
 
ARealConservative said:
the arrest is the incident they regret when they announced that the charges were dropped.
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And why did they drop the charges?

Only because the racist abusive ass was a major figure at Hahvahd, and the political pressure on the DA would have been impossible to bear, given the fact that in almost all cases of disorderly conduct the charges are usually dropped for a first offense anyway, depending on circumstances.
 
ARealConservative said:
the arrest is the incident they regret when they announced that the charges were dropped.
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Interesting.

Cambridge top cop stands by department after Harvard arrest

The commissioner of the Cambridge, Massachusetts, police department said Thursday he "deeply regrets" the arrest of prominent black Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., but stands by the procedures followed by his department.


Cambridge top cop stands by department after Harvard arrest - CNN.com
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You seem to think that by saying he "deeply regrets" the arrest that such means the arrest was wrong. To me, anytime something gets blown out of porportion, I think it's regretable. In other words, "It's too bad this happened." I don't read this as saying, "It was wrong to arrest him," particularly when the commissioner stands by the procedures followed.
 
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Truth Detector said:
The man was a raving lunatic and deserved to be bitch slapped for it. The ultimate irony would be delightful if next time there is a call for a potential burglary at his house; the cops just ignore it or get there REAL late.

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I would think you could count on that one.
 
aps said:
Interesting.



You seem to think that by saying he "deeply regrets" the arrest that such means the arrest was wrong. To me, anytime something gets blown out of porportion, I think it's regretable. In other words, "It's too bad this happened." I don't read this as saying, "It was wrong to arrest him," particularly when the commissioner stands by the procedures followed.
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The mayor apparently views the apology as I do


"This suggests that something happened that should not have happened,"
 
ARealConservative said:
The mayor apparently views the apology as I do


"This suggests that something happened that should not have happened,"
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Since the mayor (a black woman) isn't a police officer, I really couldn't care less what she thinks.
 
ARealConservative said:
until I hear of an actual citizen complaint of disturbing the peace, the officer is in the wrong.
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The relevant Massachussetts code was cited in this thread. Doesn't say a single damn word about the need for the disorderly behavior to be witnessed and compained about by a citizen. It merely says one can be arrested for disorderly behavior, and in fact, the disorderly behavior has to be witnessed by the arresting officer in order for the arrest to be made or the courts are just going to toss the case out.

So what you've done is merely latch onto some bogus protect-the-asshole-bigot-racist argument that has no legal merit and no rational basis, and you're going to hold firm to that because you know that since no citizen complaint is necessary, no citizen complaint is going to be filed, especially not since the charges have already been dropped.

In other words, you're being dishonest.
 
ARealConservative said:
The mayor apparently views the apology as I do


"This suggests that something happened that should not have happened,"
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Yes, something happened that shouldn't have happened. Gates should have kept his mouth shut because no insult was offered by the police, the officer was merely doing his job.

Gates either decided to take his juvenile frustration out on the whitey that arrived, or he decided to create a scene to deliberately prompt an arrest to provide material for his next propaganda project.

But, EVERYTHING that happened happened as a result of Gates' deliberate choice of actions, and nothing would have happened if Gates had been emotionally older than a ten year old spoiled brat.

Let's make sure we know where the blame belongs.

With Gates.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The relevant Massachussetts code was cited in this thread. Doesn't say a single damn word about the need for the disorderly behavior to be witnessed and compained about by a citizen. It merely says one can be arrested for disorderly behavior, and in fact, the disorderly behavior has to be witnessed by the arresting officer in order for the arrest to be made or the courts are just going to toss the case out.

So what you've done is merely latch onto some bogus protect-the-asshole-bigot-racist argument that has no legal merit and no rational basis, and you're going to hold firm to that because you know that since no citizen complaint is necessary, no citizen complaint is going to be filed, especially not since the charges have already been dropped.

In other words, you're being dishonest.
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crimes need victims in my book.

That's not dishonest at all.

the cop didn't like being talked down to, so he trumped up charges and wasted taxpayers dollars when he should of of just left.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yes, something happened that shouldn't have happened. Gates should have kept his mouth shut because no insult was offered by the police, the officer was merely doing his job.

Gates either decided to take his juvenile frustration out on the whitey that arrived, or he decided to create a scene to deliberately prompt an arrest to provide material for his next propaganda project.

But, EVERYTHING that happened happened as a result of Gates' deliberate choice of actions, and nothing would have happened if Gates had been emotionally older than a ten year old spoiled brat.

Let's make sure we know where the blame belongs.

With Gates.
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if this is how they felt, they would not of dropped charges.
 
ARealConservative said:
because the charges would never stick and they are already at risk of a civil suit based on their impoper actions.
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Yeah, like I said, just in case you want to pretend you didn't understand them, most disorderly conduct charges are dismissed.

Since the police did nothing wrong, they haven't opened anyone to a civil lawsuit for any reason.

The Department or Officer Crowley should countersue charging Gates with stupidity and racism, both of which should be civil offences.

But you did open a third possibility, that Gates deliberately provoked this incident to play the lawsuit lottery.

There's also the book he'll writing about this.

So your suggestion that Gates did it for purely monetary purposes is valid.
 
aps said:
Come on--a fellow black person? I think it matters. If that makes me racist, yawn.
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so when a cop supports another cop - that's just being honest.

but when a black mayor support some black guy - that's because of bias.


pathetic!
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah, like I said, just in case you want to pretend you didn't understand them, most disorderly conduct charges are dismissed.

Since the police did nothing wrong, they haven't opened anyone to a civil lawsuit for any reason.

The Department or Officer Crowley should countersue charging Gates with stupidity and racism, both of which should be civil offences.

But you did open a third possibility, that Gates deliberately provoked this incident to play the lawsuit lottery.

There's also the book he'll writing about this.

So your suggestion that Gates did it for purely monetary purposes is valid.
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most cops abuse their powers with trumped up charges - this is a common one.
 
ARealConservative said:
so when a cop supports another cop - that's just being honest.

but when a black mayor support some black guy - that's because of bias.


pathetic!
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You're putting words in my mouth. But, whatever.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It's usually criminals and drug addicted dirt bags that have this view of the police...... Just sayin..... :shrug:
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just saying what?

If you are going to engage in personal attacks, don't be such a coward about it and spell it out.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The picture cooborates the officers statement, the officer on tv today has never changed his story. and in the report he makes notes of numerous civillian and police witnesses... I think that to me, indicates who is telling the truth here.
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So the cop sticks to his crappy story. So? That doesn't mean anything, he's already got priors in this case. And I don't care that he said there were numerous witnesses, what's absent are the statements of those witnesses. You have no idea what those civilians thought about what was going on because the police did not interview them and take statements.

Breaking and entering, (which if your own home is not a crime but...) failing to show ID, he could have been arrested on the spot for both of that given the fact that he did break and enter, and failed to prove his identity ...
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You are dead wrong. You can't break and enter into your own home. He could not have legally been arrested for that crime. And he did produce I.D.


Furthermore, he was warned about disorderly conduct. Now I might agree being an asshole to a cop should not be illegal, but fact is as it stands now disorderyly conduct falls under this perview..
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Reading Crowley's report and reading the state statute on "disorderly conduct" Gates is not guilty of that crime.
Imagine this was some college kid instead of big shot bigot race baite professor? DO you think the kid would get the same response of "cooler heads shouldove" response?
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If it were a college kid the arrest would still be bad, whether or not he got an admission of wrong doing from the agency.

All other things aside, the arrest was bad, the report was bad.
 
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