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Pentagon Identifies Soldier in Video

Then you should know exactly what I'm talking about. Ever see'em get all freaked out at the idea of being burned? I mean, it's weird, dude!

Personally, I think we've been playing patty cake with these ****ers for far too long. We have some fine body counts, so far, but not nearly what they should be, IMO.
How old are you 10? This has nothing to do with body counts, this isn't a friggin' video game dude. This is modern war, its not about body counts anymore. Its about showing people that we are willing to stand up to tyranny and terror through use of force, while still upholding our own integrity and self-respect. This shows people what we are about, and inspires them to work towards having that same self-respect and improving themselves to obtain it. Its about winning over people to support your cause.
The only conflicts that are about body counts are offensive land grabbing empire building attacks, thats not what the US is about.




We'll just ramp up the killing. They might kill him, but they'll damn sure think twice before killing the next one.
No, they wont.
 
We'll just ramp up the killing. They might kill him, but they'll damn sure think twice before killing the next one.

This is how you create the circumstance they have in Israel/Palestine. You ramp up killing and killing and killing, and you only encourage the otherside to do the same. Pretty soon, you can't tell the forest for the trees and all you've successfully done is set up a perpetual human killing cycle.
 
How old are you 10? This has nothing to do with body counts, this isn't a friggin' video game dude. This is modern war, its not about body counts anymore. Its about showing people that we are willing to stand up to tyranny and terror through use of force, while still upholding our own integrity and self-respect.

By using that force to kill the enemy.

This shows people what we are about, and inspires them to work towards having that same self-respect and improving themselves to obtain it. Its about winning over people to support your cause.

In that part of the world, you win people over to your cause by proving to them that you're stronger than the bad guys. In that region, people don't respect weakness. Ever have an Arab/Muslim man get in your face to demonstrate his dominence? It's a true Alpha-Dog/Beta-Dog society.

If the locals don't believe that the enemy fears you, they'll never come over to your side.

The only conflicts that are about body counts are offensive land grabbing empire building attacks, thats not what the US is about.

Any engagement is about killing the enemy. There are no exceptions. Ya gotta be 10 y/o to believe otherwise.


No, they wont.

I bet they would, too.
 
This is how you create the circumstance they have in Israel/Palestine. You ramp up killing and killing and killing, and you only encourage the otherside to do the same. Pretty soon, you can't tell the forest for the trees and all you've successfully done is set up a perpetual human killing cycle.


And, at some point, one side runs out of steam. The reason things aren't settled in Palestine, is because the fights always get cut short. They end, before they're over.

You'll never be able to support this passive style of war fighting with anything other than your opinion.
 
In that part of the world, you win people over to your cause by proving to them that you're stronger than the bad guys. In that region, people don't respect weakness. Ever have an Arab/Muslim man get in your face to demonstrate his dominence? It's a true Alpha-Dog/Beta-Dog society.

You have just demonstrated a total lack of knowledge about the Middle Eastern culture. Quit while you're ahead.
 
And, at some point, one side runs out of steam. The reason things aren't settled in Palestine, is because the fights always get cut short. They end, before they're over.

No, there have been all out wars, there have been attempted peace time. The problem is that you'll never run out of terrorists. And if all you do is sit there and shake the beehive, you'll never encourage an end game. All you're doing is romanticizing some conflict against an "ultimate evil" and pretending that if we kill enough of them it will end. But this isn't state vs. state warfare, this is ideological warfare and on some front, that will not be ended with mere violence. In fact, because it's ideological violence will only add fuel to the fire. So a fine line has to be walked, you have to allow yourself room to respond to threats, but if you're interested in actually ending the war you can't pretend that if we just send in wave after wave of our own men that it will miraculously come to some conclusion.

You'll never be able to support this passive style of war fighting with anything other than your opinion.

You'll never drive to a solution by living in a fanciful dream world full of delusions of grandeur either.
 
No, there have been all out wars, there have been attempted peace time. The problem is that you'll never run out of terrorists. And if all you do is sit there and shake the beehive, you'll never encourage an end game. All you're doing is romanticizing some conflict against an "ultimate evil" and pretending that if we kill enough of them it will end. But this isn't state vs. state warfare, this is ideological warfare and on some front, that will not be ended with mere violence. In fact, because it's ideological violence will only add fuel to the fire. So a fine line has to be walked, you have to allow yourself room to respond to threats, but if you're interested in actually ending the war you can't pretend that if we just send in wave after wave of our own men that it will miraculously come to some conclusion.

Doing nothing and negotiating, has been a total no-go for 40 years. What's the definition of insanity?
 
I thought he made propaganda statements in this first video.

Also, one of Garwood's fellow POW's testified tht Garwood told him he was captured in a brothel. I don't think the accepted story is that garwood just walked off. Army Sargeant Willie Watkins testified to that in 1969.

But, no, it wouldn't surprise me to see him making anti-American statements on video, either. No doubt he'll be tortured into doing so.

Garwood was turned. He ended up working for the North. He was essentially a traitor.
 
Garwood was turned. He ended up working for the North. He was essentially a traitor.

That's the hen's teeth of the matter. Thank you.

I've seen what's been said about Bowe's, "capture", and I'm going to reserve opinion on that 'til a later date.
 
That's the hen's teeth of the matter. Thank you.

I've seen what's been said about Bowe's, "capture", and I'm going to reserve opinion on that 'til a later date.


I too shall wait.....and reserve my judgment.

I have seen stupidity on both/all sides of the issue so far. I keep remembering the old adage of Marine Corps Operations Officers....."Nothing is as good or as bad as first reported".
 
I too shall wait.....and reserve my judgment.

I have seen stupidity on both/all sides of the issue so far. I keep remembering the old adage of Marine Corps Operations Officers....."Nothing is as good or as bad as first reported".

I couldn't agree more. "No plan survives first contact with enemy", either :rofl
 
did someone suggest surrender, or is that what you assume anyone who disagrees with you wants?

It seems to be a common misconception. That if you speak out against egregious acts or say that we should temper our actions and consider the ramifications of some of the more extreme acts that you're looking to extend only a "fruit basket". It's not the case at all, but if we continue in the belief that our actions won't spawn reaction and attempt to understand what that reaction is so that we can encourage the more positive reactions while discouraging the bad; we may find ourselves worse off than we were in the beginning. These problems can't be ignored and often warrant response. But we should also be wary the impact we cause and try to avoid perpetual warfare; that helps no one.
 
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I don't know. Ask the French. They have lots of experience at surrender.
But you were the one who brought up surrendering... Now you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about. Are you confused yet? I sure am.
 
But you were the one who brought up surrendering... Now you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about. Are you confused yet? I sure am.

I admit to posting a trite statement much like the one that occasioned it. I never said it was germane to the thread.
 
I admit to posting a trite statement much like the one that occasioned it. I never said it was germane to the thread.

No you equated people that didn't want to use terrorism against terrorism to surrendering. Wrong equation.

There are not just two solutions (using terrorism against terrorism and surrendering)
 
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