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Islamic Supremacist Group Holds First U.S. Conference

Re: "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam" conference in Chicago

bhkad said:
Laila, I was one of the first posters here to recognize your Islamic beauty but your golden attitude and temperament would not be able to contain nor control the Islamist. The Islamist who believes in only Islam as the highest religion.
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Islamists are those who use religious texts and words for political agendas.

Political Islam is the threat not Islam in itself.
Lets not forget Islam has been in the west for decades, Muslims can be traced back in the west for hundreds of years. It is only in the last decade or so Political Islam has formed. Remove the political reasons for their existence and why they are there to begin with, remove them. That would include Arab Israeli conflict, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Then ofc comes the discontent with the dictators, the lack of trust with the west and fear of imperialism etc.
 
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Tubub said:
Then it seems you changed your position. It was pretty clear you were agreeing with the thread before, which was insinuating that all of Islam is the enemy.
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Nope. My position is unchanged.
 
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Laila said:
Islamists are those who use religious texts and words for political agendas.

Political Islam is the threat not Islam in itself.
Lets not forget Islam has been in the west for decades, Muslims can be traced back in the west for hundreds of years. It is only in the last decade or so Political Islam has formed. Remove the political reasons for their existence and why they are there to begin with, remove them.
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I agree but who and how to remove political Islam?
 
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bhkad said:
I agree but who and how to remove political Islam?
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That would include Arab Israeli conflict, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Then ofc comes the discontent with the dictators, the lack of trust with the west and fear of imperialism etc.
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Already answered in edit.
 
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bhkad said:
Nope. My position is unchanged.
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Statistically, 20% - 30% of all Muslims believe in Islamic superiority and/or Islamism and these groups are the leaders of the Islamic communities.
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You are implying that the leaders of Islam are Islamists. Therefore, since the Islamic community is lead by these individuals, how are you not implying that Islam itself is not "Islamofascist"?

As I said in the post above, most Muslims pose no threat to the US.
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Now your taking a more practical approach :2razz:
 
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bhkad said:
I understand the difference. As I said in the post above, most Muslims pose no threat to the US.
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Muslims in US especially pose no threat.
If anything it would Europe who should be more worried (Not that the Islamists threat is anymore prevalent or dangerous)

Muslims in US are almost model citizens.
 
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Tubub said:
You are implying that the leaders of Islam are Islamists. Therefore, since the Islamic community is lead by these individuals, how are you not implying that Islam itself is not "Islamofascist"?

Now your taking a more practical approach :2razz:
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As an example, in the Mosque in Morgantown, the modernist, progressive Muslims in the mosque lost elections within the mosque for leadership positions to the unyielding, stern, traditional devotees who were characterized in some cases as having crazy ideas.

If the Black Panther Party or the KKK represented 25% of the Black or White community yet the remainder of the community was docile there would be reason for worry.
 
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Laila said:
Muslims in US especially pose no threat.
If anything it would Europe who should be more worried (Not that the Islamists threat is anymore prevalent or dangerous)

Muslims in US are almost model citizens.
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I agree.

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A group committed to establishing an international Islamic empire and reportedly linked to Al Qaeda is stepping up its Western recruitment efforts by holding its first official conference in the U.S.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a global Sunni network with reported ties to confessed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Al Qaeda in Iraq's onetime leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It has operated discreetly in the U.S. for decades.

Now, it is coming out of the shadows and openly hosting a July 19 conference entitled, "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam," at a posh Hilton hotel in a suburb of Chicago.

Hizb ut-Tahrir insists that it does not engage in terrorism, and it is not recognized by the State Department as a known terror group.
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Just like when the Nazis had rallies in 1943 Chicago!
Oh that's right people in the USA in 1943 where not that ****ing stupid.

The group should be declared illegal, it leader arrested for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and ALL their assets seized and dispensed to VA hospitals.
 
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Richard Nixon said:
One is amused by the sweeping generalisation that muslims are all bomb-wielding jihadists. ALLAH AKBAR!
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That's like saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis.
 
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apdst said:
That's like saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis.
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There were.
 
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Triad said:
Just like when the Nazis had rallies in 1943 Chicago!
Oh that's right people in the USA in 1943 where not that ****ing stupid.
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It didn't happen, because we had the HUAC.
 
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Laila said:
Islamic Supremacist? What exactly is there to feel superior about?
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camels, they are good with camels... of they also eat camels but what he hell they are good with camels...

I wonder whe n hey have a camel roast if they ask one hump or two?
 
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apdst said:
That's like saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis.
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There are indeed good NAZI'S it's just that those are dead ones.
 
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apdst said:
That's like saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis.
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Equating Nazism with Islam doesn't work even at the surface.

Islam is a religion. Religions have several different sects, or ideologies, that interpret the religion in different ways. Nazism is an ideaology. So saying something vague like Islam, which contains numerous different ideaologies, is the same as Nazism, which is a specific racist and authoritarian ideaology, is simply wrong.
 
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apdst said:
That's like saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis.
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So all Muslims are bad now?
 
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Richard Nixon said:
One is amused by the sweeping generalisation that muslims are all bomb-wielding jihadists. ALLAH AKBAR!
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Hizb ut-Tahrir supports the reestablishment of the caliphate through offensive Jihad, not only should they not be allowed to hold this conference its members should be arrested and either jailed or deported.
 
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Laila said:
Is US so worried about their democratic system that they fear its downfall? Is it that weak? Would Americans not fight for liberty or would they willingly allow a minority of Islamists take away their country?
What does that say about your trust in the American people?

Democracy collapses only if you let it.
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We don't have to tolerate those who seek to overthrow our republic and call for the establishment of a puritanical theocratic state in its place, in fact the calls for such actions are a violation of the clear and probable danger test of the 1st amendment. These people should all be rounded up jailed or deported. This is a war and they are the enemy it's as simple as that.
 
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Tubub said:
Equating Nazism with Islam doesn't work even at the surface.

Islam is a religion. Religions have several different sects, or ideologies, that interpret the religion in different ways. Nazism is an ideaology. So saying something vague like Islam, which contains numerous different ideaologies, is the same as Nazism, which is a specific racist and authoritarian ideaology, is simply wrong.
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Islam is an ideology the same as any other religion, Islamism is in fact a totalitarian ideology with a lot of significant qualities shared with Fascism.
 
Re: "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam" conference in Chicago

Laila said:
Yes it is.
Probably less trouble and stress free to not believe in God than it is to do so. Worrying about your actions is kinda tiring after a while.
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lol as if one needs religion for morality, in fact religion IMHO is more synonymous with immorality than it is with morality.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
lol as if one needs religion for morality, in fact religion IMHO is more synonymous with immorality than it is with morality.
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Not really. Religion merely highlights how near or (more usually) how far people come to the ideal.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So all Muslims are bad now?
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All Islamic extremists are bad, along with there supporters. Most Muslims seem to either support Islamic extremism, or choose to do nothing to oppose Islamic extremism.
 
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bhkad said:
It is only the naive who discount the threat from Islam.

Statistically, 20% - 30% of all Muslims believe in Islamic superiority and/or Islamism and these groups are the leaders of the Islamic communities.

The PBS show, "The Mosque in Morgantown" shows that the peaceful, modern Muslims have to yield to the Islamist oriented Muslims.

The Mosque in Morgantown
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What? You mean the people who start deadly worldwide riots over cartoons, stone woment to death for being raped, and poured into the streets by the thousands to dance and throw candy on 9/11 aren't tolerant, reasonable members of a "Religion of Peace?" :lol:

You think that ust because the "peaceful" ones are the actual perverters of this savage, bloodthirsty cult, we shouldn't treat Muslims the same as little old white ladies from Idaho? :notlook:
 
Erod said:
Kind of ironic that this would be held in Chicago, hometown for his holiness. Perhaps a tradeshow expo complete with the latest concealed explosive devices and pilot training coursese?

Good grief.

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Well there's nothing illegal about this. Surely we have other supremest groups in this country as well, and they're allowed to assemble and speak and such as well. So long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, they're free to do as they wish.
 
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