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Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

Certain addictions can affect society. This is reason enough to regulate certain substances. Please read about late 19th century China and its opium addiction if you need a case study in the consequences of epidemic addiction.

No societly can remain partially free. Eventually the guillotine slips the rest of the way down.

Putting chains on people to protect the weak from themselves is not how strong societies are forged.
 
The money saved from court costs, police time, and so on would be enormous if marijuana was legal. I do not know what the street cost of pot is, but $50 per ounce seems steep. People may buy from dealers still, rather than buy it from the smoke shop at that price. But it should be legal.

It costs about $200 an ounce around here (no, I don't smoke). So a $50 tax would be steep, but not so steep that people would still buy it illegally. Especially if you assume that the price would drastically decline once the legal risk is eliminated.
 
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It costs about $200 an ounce around here (no, I don't smoke). So a $50 tax would be steep, but not so steep that people would still buy it illegally. Especially if you assume that the price would drastically decline once the legal risk is eliminated.

Right now in a top notch medical dispensary in southern California, the best of the best goes for about $500/oz, $145/qtr $75/eth $25/g. The reason prices are kept so high id due to the bottle neck there is upon receiving medical recommendations (which i assure you are not hard to find).

And when i say "best" i mean American pot is much better than Dutch or BC strains.
 
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No societly can remain partially free. Eventually the guillotine slips the rest of the way down.
this is an indefensible assertion and thus requires no refutation. It is nothing but a pithy saying... it proves nothing.

Putting chains on people to protect the weak from themselves is not how strong societies are forged.
another pithy saying. Please, say something that you can support rather than balthering specious, superficial falsehoods.
 
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this is an indefensible assertion and thus requires no refutation. It is nothing but a pithy saying... it proves nothing.

another pithy saying. Please, say something that you can support rather than balthering specious, feel good, falsehoods.

Do you really need proof? Can you not just open your eyes and see what is going on?
 
Do you really need proof? Can you not just open your eyes and see what is going on?

I don't know you well enough to determine whether that's sarcasm or your honest opinion. I hope its the former.
 
"Gateway drug".....practically every meth addict has eaten carrots. That must mean carrots are a gateway vegetable.

Carrots eventually lead to celery and that leads to broccoli and then before you know it you are a strung out vegetarian.
 
I don't know you well enough to determine whether that's sarcasm or your honest opinion. I hope its the former.

My honest opinion, Do you need proof to see what is going on??

Carrots eventually lead to celery and that leads to broccoli and then before you know it you are a strung out vegetarian.

:rofl
 
It costs about $200 an ounce around here (no, I don't smoke). So a $50 tax would be steep, but not so steep that people would still buy it illegally. Especially if you assume that the price would drastically decline once the legal risk is eliminated.

I'm pretty sure that prices would drop considerably once use was made legal. It's so expensive right now to cover the risk.

And sure you don't smoke. ;)

Either way, this state's government is retarded. Revenue has increased beyond inflation and population increases. This is a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
 
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My honest opinion, Do you need proof to see what is going on??
I want evidence for certain claims, yes.

What is "going on" in your opinion and how is that relevant to my supported claim that epidemic addiction has significant societal consequences?
 
No. No failure there.

If someone is so stupid they just have to go and get their dumbasses addicted to something that ruins their ability to keep a job, it's their problem, and there's no reason anyone should be taxed or have their liberties curtailed to keep those dumbasses from getting their substances of devotion.

Just use them as object lessons for kids: See, children, this is what voting for Democrats ....er taking some other toxic substance does to people. Don't be like them.

It's everyone's problem. Look I live in this ****, other people's addictions directly affect me, so yes it is my business and no I'm not ever going to support legalizing hard drugs.
 
It's everyone's problem. Look I live in this ****, other people's addictions directly affect me, so yes it is my business and no I'm not ever going to support legalizing hard drugs.

Your argument could just as easily be applied to alchohol.
 
This is about California legalizing pot, not meth. Your argument was about fear of contractors being high from pot, not meth. You're double speaking. (Or are you drunk or high :mrgreen:)

Wow that's one way to fall way behind in the conversation, yeah.

The point I was addressing was the notion that meth addition couldn't possibly affect anyone other than the user.

My point being: you can not just set meth down and wait until the end of the day as you can with pot and liquor. That makes all the difference.
 
Wow that's one way to fall way behind in the conversation, yeah.

The point I was addressing was the notion that meth addition couldn't possibly affect anyone other than the user.

My point being: you can not just set meth down and wait until the end of the day as you can with pot and liquor. That makes all the difference.

Even for dangerous drugs like meth, I don't think criminalization is the way to go. They could still be legal...but in controlled, clinical environments.
 
Even for dangerous drugs like meth, I don't think criminalization is the way to go. They could still be legal...but in controlled, clinical environments.

Society needs to alter the way it views drug addiction. Pushing it into the darkest corners of society to fester out of sight is not the solution.
 
It's everyone's problem. Look I live in this ****, other people's addictions directly affect me, so yes it is my business and no I'm not ever going to support legalizing hard drugs.

DUIs happen each and every year. Deaths due to alcohol related incidents happen each year. Your loved one could be killed by a drunk driver.

Are you in support of prohibition of alcohol just because alcohol may affect you? Just curious at where you stand on this.
 
Society needs to alter the way it views drug addiction. Pushing it into the darkest corners of society to fester out of sight is not the solution.

But that is the American solution. Look at health care, teen pregnancy, oil dependency, and government spending. Our political system is such that the elephant in the room is ignored until it ****s on enough people's heads, then congress will finally do something about it or they get replaced.
 
It's everyone's problem. Look I live in this ****, other people's addictions directly affect me, so yes it is my business and no I'm not ever going to support legalizing hard drugs.

Why do you live in ****, and why do you allow other people's life choices to affect you to the extent that you can no longer control your own life?


Also, you're refusing to address the salient fact:

Drugs are illegal now, and the people around you now are getting all the drugs they want.
 
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But that is the American solution. Look at health care, teen pregnancy, oil dependency, and government spending. Our political system is such that the elephant in the room is ignored until it ****s on enough people's heads, then congress will finally do something about it or they get replaced.

Absolutely, I agree, but I think it's just symptomatic of the real problem, which is an incremental degradation in communal and familial integrity within American.

Parents and neighbors have been replaced by flickering screens. Our children are being raised by the morally and intellectually bankrupt mass media. Watch MTV for at least three hours and you'll see exactly what I mean. My eighteen year old brother's girlfriend was watching The Real World on MTV, and I was floored by the self-centeredness and stupidity that these people exhibited. It was just staggering...
 
Absolutely, I agree, but I think it's just symptomatic of the real problem, which is an incremental degradation in communal and familial integrity within American.
the romantic ideal of the atomic family as the pinnacle of society has always been mythical. Not to say that the atomic family is not an optimal solution but the benefits from it are not exclusive to it. That is, the atomic family is not a required social structure to achieve communal and family integrity.

Parents and neighbors have been replaced by flickering screens.
yet these flickering screens introduce people to knowledge and information previously unimaginable in the bubble we once lived.

Our children are being raised by the morally and intellectually bankrupt mass media.
and the paper and radio media is the same way if not worse before the TV. The. Overwleming amount of information allows us to better cross examine the information given to us. Instead of taking someones word for it our youth can Google for answers and determine truth themselves. However, one must learn how to learn correctly or be overwelmed by false information.

Watch MTV for at least three hours and you'll see exactly what I mean.
I see fictional TV no different than I see fictional books. Both are usually wastes of time. But all work and no play makes jack a dull boy, afterall. Moderation is key.

My eighteen year old brother's girlfriend was watching The Real World on MTV, and I was floored by the self-centeredness and stupidity that these people exhibited. It was just staggering...
You think that ignorance and stupidty was less prevalent before the information age? You can only lead a horse to water...


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The problem has never been the books, the radio, TV, internet or drugs. These are merely scapegoats for failures of the parents and guardians.
 
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It'll never cease to amaze me how Libbos staunchly oppose cigarettes, but are all for legalized pot.
 
It'll never cease to amaze me how Libbos staunchly oppose cigarettes, but are all for legalized pot.

I love my cigarettes and am pissed that my taxes on them keep going up! Pot should be legal just so my taxes don't have to cover all the legal garbage over such a weak drug.
 
It'll never cease to amaze me how Libbos staunchly oppose cigarettes, but are all for legalized pot.

See this is where you look stupid, many conservatives also agree with the whole cigarette ban not that it is right.

Me personally being a liberal, I would leave it up top the business owner.

But then don't let the stereotypes of liberals be against you, much like the stereotypes of conservatives being right-wing nutjobs only concerned with cramming religion down other people's throats all the while wanting government to control people's morality be against those that think it.
 
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My main problem with every party is that BOTH sides have the things they want to force on the others, while not wanting any of their **** banned! We are surrounded by hypocrits!!!!!
 
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