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House bill would make health care a right

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Jul 15, 3:24 AM (ET)
By ERICA WERNER

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Democratic leaders, pledging to meet the president's goal of health care legislation before their August break, are offering a $1.5 trillion plan that for the first time would make health care a right and a responsibility for all Americans. Left to pick up most of the tab were medical providers, employers and the wealthy.
"We cannot allow this issue to be delayed. We cannot put it off again," Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce committee, said Tuesday. "We, quite frankly, cannot go home for a recess unless the House and the Senate both pass bills to reform and restructure our health care system."
In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid said he wanted floor debate to begin a week from Monday. With the Senate Finance Committee still struggling to reach consensus, that timetable could slip. Even so, it underscored a renewed sense of urgency.
Obama himself was driving the action, going off-script to push the issue during a speech in Michigan and scheduling a Rose Garden news conference for Wednesday to make more comments on the topic.
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I think they are rushing because they are unsure of the 2010 elections. They are going to saddle the pubic with $trillions in debt over this. And all for a few tens of millions, that might be helped by a solution customized for them, instead of the entire country.
 
WillRockwell said:
There was no understanding of medicine in 1776. I assume you are joking.
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The US constitution was adopted in 1787. :2wave:


I assume you are joking that forcing other people to provide for you is a right.



What this tells me is that you have no understanding of natural rights, liberty or freedom, and prefer the shackles of servitude to the animating contest of freedom.
 
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This is so messed up that I literally have no idea where to begin in ripping this nonsense to shreds. Seriously, W.T.F.? Are the Democrats determined to **** themselves over, yet again?

I've never encountered such a self-destructive group of people, IN MY LIFE. Except maybe gang members.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
This is so messed up that I literally have no idea where to begin in ripping this nonsense to shreds. Seriously, W.T.F.? Are the Democrats determined to **** themselves over, yet again?

I've never encountered such a self-destructive group of people, IN MY LIFE. Except maybe gang members.
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I guess you missed the Republicans running McCain...... ;)
 
So now I guess "rights" can be forced on people? This is just getting better and better. So I guess if someone does not want to keep and bear arms we can fine them one thousand dollars? Not to mention nothing at all framed in the Constitution supports this kind of welfare.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I guess you missed the Republicans running McCain...... ;)
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Oh, NO. They're ALMOST as inept. But, the Democrats have a stunning ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory almost every single time.

Consider the 2004 election, for instance.

Stupidity like that is...singular.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The US constitution was adopted in 1787. :2wave:


I assume you are joking that forcing other people to provide for you is a right.



What this tells me is that you have no understanding of natural rights, liberty or freedom, and prefer the shackles of servitude to the animating contest of freedom.
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You're a pretty weird person.
"Other people" provide quite a lot for you every day. Military and police protection, fire protection, paved roads, water, sewage and electricity. Do you fuss about paying the taxes that furnish these services? Yet you have a problem with the most important service of all, the one that will keep your miserable heart beating in the event of a medical crisis. Go figure.
 
The Democrats are trying to rush this entire thing through before the August recess. This is way too important to be ramming through the Congress like this. They rammed TARP through and look what a boondoggle that became. They rammed the "stimulus" through and look at that mess. Some of you had better take your head of your ass and wake up to what is going on here. These people are running with this way too fast and they are going to **** our entire health care system up.
 
WillRockwell said:
You're a pretty weird person.
"Other people" provide quite a lot for you every day. Military and police protection, fire protection, paved roads, water, sewage and electricity. Do you fuss about paying the taxes that furnish these services?
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Providing a military is a Constitutional function of the Federal government. The other services you mention are services provided by the local governments. The Congress has no Constitutional authority to create a Federal health care system. This isn't hard to understand.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
The Democrats are trying to rush this entire thing through before the August recess. This is way too important to be ramming through the Congress like this. They rammed TARP through and look what a boondoggle that became. They rammed the "stimulus" through and look at that mess. Some of you had better take your head of your ass and wake up to what is going on here. These people are running with this way too fast and they are going to **** our entire health care system up.
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TARP was "rammed" through by the Bush administration. I don't think it's premature to pass a bill of intent regarding health care, even if the details need to be filled in later. Republicans simply don't want health care because they get campaign funding from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. It's that simple. Most Americans want health care, and that is who Congress is supposed to represent.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
Providing a military is a Constitutional function of the Federal government. The other services you mention are services provided by the local governments. The Congress has no Constitutional authority to create a Federal health care system. This isn't hard to understand.
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I don't agree that creating a national healthcare system is out of constitutional bounds. However, I do believe that forcing a small segment of society to pay for it is.
 
WillRockwell said:
TARP was "rammed" through by the Bush administration. I don't think it's premature to pass a bill of intent regarding health care, even if the details need to be filled in later. Republicans simply don't want health care because they get campaign funding from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. It's that simple. Most Americans want health care, and that is who Congress is supposed to represent.
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Most Americans don't want their eyeballs pulled out to pay for it, though.
 
apdst said:
I don't agree that creating a national healthcare system is out of constitutional bounds. However, I do believe that forcing a small segment of society to pay for it is.
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Where's the constitutional authority for it?
 
phattonez said:
The Founding Fathers did not believe in positive rights.
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I don't believe this is true, I think they recognized the infant nation had no capability to provide positive rights to a frontier. Nevertheless, postal service was initiated, and a militia and navy were formed. These are both positive rights. I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".
 
Did you hear the booing when Obama threw out the first pitch? I've never heard a president get that bad of a reception six months after taking office. That's usually reserved for second-termers. And this in a state he won pretty handily, no less.

I think they're trying to get this ram-rodded through before the ground swell gets too big. Practicallay no one has confidence in this unqualified joke of a president, even less so after that 10-year-old girl's throw he displayed last night. LOL.
 
WillRockwell said:
I don't believe this is true, I think they recognized the infant nation had no capability to provide positive rights to a frontier. Nevertheless, postal service was initiated, and a militia and navy were formed. These are both positive rights. I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".
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You've never read anything about Locke? He was influential in their ideas, and what he thought is the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

They viewed the military as necessary for protecting the nation, and it could not be provided by anyone else. Many other things, like health care, are provided by others. The Founding Fathers would be adamantly against this.
 
Erod said:
Did you hear the booing when Obama threw out the first pitch? I've never heard a president get that bad of a reception six months after taking office. That's usually reserved for second-termers. And this in a state he won pretty handily, no less.
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Here's the tape of the throw, on Fox no less, and all I hear is cheering. WTF are you talking about?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qfXvWj5_xI&feature=related"]YouTube - Barack Obama Throws First Pitch at All-Star Game 2009[/ame]
 
WillRockwell said:
I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".
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Based on what evidence?
 
Erod said:
I think they're trying to get this ram-rodded through before the ground swell gets too big.
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I completely agree. As time goes on less and less people are supportive of this and that's because the economy is getting worse and more people are opening their eyes to the fact we don't have the money to pay for this. They want this passed ASAP before the economy gets even worse and too much of the public is then opposed to this.

This is the most reckless Congress I've ever seen.
 
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