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House bill would make health care a right

I love when people ask me this question, It is the main reason why I don't submit my name for an award recognition at this site, because I love how many people automatically assume because I am a liberal and haven't done anything for my country.

I am retired army, served a total of 20 years 7 months.

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Actually, it has nothing to do with you being a liberal. it's how you bait your fellow vets in order to bash them with this... :shrug:
 
You claim logical fallacy against me, but that first means that you know for SURE what Jefferson believes. I wasn't aware you knew Jefferson personally so how can you say FOR SURE what he believes or doesn't believe in?




This is pathetic and peurile reasoning... :lol:
 
And would Jefferson had said the same thing while seeing children dying from hunger or lack of health care in the richest country in the world? If you say yes, then you think he's a ****ing bastard.




This is no better. :lamo
 
I wonder what Jefferson would think if I showed him the obesity rates for Americans, or told him that millions of people make a conscious decision not to purchase health insurance, or if I told him we subsidized health care for illegal immigrants?

Jefferson would probably tell Americans to stop living such ****ty and irresponsible lifestyles and to stop expecting the massive centralized authority (we all know how much Jefferson loved those) to provide health care for them.

You see, unlike Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson was a principled bastard who told people how it really was. Thomas Jefferson would laugh at the idea of nationalized health care and he would spit on Barack Obama.

Of course, being the quintessential anti-Federalist, Jefferson seems like a natural supporter for nationalized health care. You make great points!






:lol: OWNED......
 
[quoteC. Gerstle;1058141219] Our health care is already ****ed up. The leading cause of bankrupcy in America is an unexpected health bill, and most of these people had health insurance. Oh where to begin? Okay, first of all, every bankruptcy in America comes from bad financial planning, every single one. If you owe money on a truck, car, and house and have no insurance, and no savings or backing investments, and something bad happens, you will be broke. Hospitals will make payment plans if you can cover them, if your bills are crushing, and you did not buy health insurance when you could, it's your own fault and NOT the job of the rest of us to bail you out, it's illegal and thus NOT the job of these crooks in Washington D.C. to force us to pay for your bad decisions either. I am a Life/Health agent and have seen some of these "poor" people who can't insure themselves, they have overextended themselves on every luxury possible and make more than I do currently but have less for it, and more liabilities, but you advocate that the government squeeze me out of a segment of my market AND take more of my income to pay for it, so you'll have to excuse me if I think much less of you and wish ill of you.

Answer this: Does the son of the CEO of Walmart deserve better health care than the son of a single mom working double shifts at McDonalds?
If he can pay for it, yes.

You think about that.
There's nothing to think about, UHC/NHC is horrible and never works in countries the size of ours, it's ILLEGAL for the federal government to mandate it or provide it, it will be MORE expensive and LESS available. Get it yet?
 
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I have a relative who went bankrupt because of an "unexpected" health bill. He was self employed, with pre-existing health problems that made him all but uninsurable; any policy he might have gotten would have cost way more than he could afford.
The question is: Was he uninsurable or did he not try hard enough? I've found companies that are the same price as a typical family major med. plan with the same benefits of that family plan. is it expensive for an individual? Yes, but less expensive than bankruptcy and a breath of fresh air to people who stuck in there and talked to me.
 
The question is: Was he uninsurable or did he not try hard enough? I've found companies that are the same price as a typical family major med. plan with the same benefits of that family plan. is it expensive for an individual? Yes, but less expensive than bankruptcy and a breath of fresh air to people who stuck in there and talked to me.

Maybe you should talk to people who have multiple chronic health problems (pre-existing conditions) and hear what their experiences were, in terms of being rejected by insurance companies, and, when accepted, the costs they had to pay as a percentage of their income.

Too many conservatives seem to assume that all, or most of the uninsured are that way because they preferred to spend their money on vacations and SUVs rather than insurance, when the choice really was between spending it on insurance and spending it on other necessities - like food and rent.
 
You're a pretty weird person.
"Other people" provide quite a lot for you every day. Military and police protection, fire protection, paved roads, water, sewage and electricity. Do you fuss about paying the taxes that furnish these services? Yet you have a problem with the most important service of all, the one that will keep your miserable heart beating in the event of a medical crisis. Go figure.

ROFL.
This is too easy.

Its the role of the government to enforce the laws they make, thus police.

Its the role of the government to protect our interests by having a Military for our defense.

Edit: **** I didn't realize I was this many pages behind already.
 
Maybe you should talk to people who have multiple chronic health problems (pre-existing conditions) and hear what their experiences were, in terms of being rejected by insurance companies, and, when accepted, the costs they had to pay as a percentage of their income.
I'm an agent, it's my job to get clients covered, so yes, I have dealt with people who were denied to PEC's, and most of them qualified under the aforementioned plan, one guy had multiple cardiological problems and was on about five to six disqualifying meds. of the twelve he took, and he was a candidate. Again, many people just give up when there are options out there.

Too many conservatives seem to assume that all, or most of the uninsured are that way because they preferred to spend their money on vacations and SUVs rather than insurance, when the choice really was between spending it on insurance and spending it on other necessities - like food and rent.
Again, I am an agent and have personally seen this happen, it's not an assumption.
 
Maybe you should talk to people who have multiple chronic health problems (pre-existing conditions) and hear what their experiences were, in terms of being rejected by insurance companies, and, when accepted, the costs they had to pay as a percentage of their income.

Too many conservatives seem to assume that all, or most of the uninsured are that way because they preferred to spend their money on vacations and SUVs rather than insurance, when the choice really was between spending it on insurance and spending it on other necessities - like food and rent.

Funny, I don't recall my employer based health plan asking me any questions about pre-existing conditions.

They also covered my wife's pre-existing pregnancy.
 
Funny, I don't recall my employer based health plan asking me any questions about pre-existing conditions.
That's the beauty of group coverage, it's a nice umbrella for people who have health problems, it's also a curse for the healthier in the group.

They also covered my wife's pre-existing pregnancy.
Now THAT"S a good company, they could have taken a pass on that one.
 
That's the beauty of group coverage, it's a nice umbrella for people who have health problems, it's also a curse for the healthier in the group.

Now THAT"S a good company, they could have taken a pass on that one.

It was Aetna.
 
And would Jefferson had said the same thing while seeing children dying from hunger or lack of health care in the richest country in the world? If you say yes, then you think he's a ****ing bastard.

You hear that everyone? I'm a bastard because I'm not generous with other people's money.
 
Too many conservatives seem to assume that all, or most of the uninsured are that way because they preferred to spend their money on vacations and SUVs rather than insurance, when the choice really was between spending it on insurance and spending it on other necessities - like food and rent.

Because most of them are. Besides, the AMA and medicare drive up prices for all of us. Government creates the problem, and now it wants to fix it. Unfortunately this is not unprecedented.
 
The good news is that ALL of the major polls are showing that 60 percent of the country is against this, so Democrats in Congress are bailing on it like the plague. I'm becoming more optimistic that this thing will fail.

Now if we can kill Obama's next $1 trillion in stimulus, perhaps there's light in the tunnel somewhere way down the road.
 
The good news is that ALL of the major polls are showing that 60 percent of the country is against this, so Democrats in Congress are bailing on it like the plague. I'm becoming more optimistic that this thing will fail.

Now if we can kill Obama's next $1 trillion in stimulus, perhaps there's light in the tunnel somewhere way down the road.

Popular opinion hasn't influenced Washington at all for the past eight years - a filibuster-proof majority is unlikely to change that. I wouldn't hold my breath that this dies
 
The good news is that ALL of the major polls are showing that 60 percent of the country is against this, so Democrats in Congress are bailing on it like the plague. I'm becoming more optimistic that this thing will fail.


That's funny, the Gallup poll released this week shows 56% favoring health care reform and 33% opposed. Are you one of those who thinks you can get people to believe any nonsense just by typing it?
Poll: Americans want health care bill, but not the cost - USATODAY.com
 
That's funny, the Gallup poll released this week shows 56% favoring health care reform and 33% opposed. Are you one of those who thinks you can get people to believe any nonsense just by typing it?
Poll: Americans want health care bill, but not the cost - USATODAY.com

So umm, where's the confidence level in that article? It's showing me the margin of error, but not at any confidence level.

Another message to take from your article, more than 9 of 10 oppose restrictions on the healthcare we can receive. Basically, no one wants rationing which is what government healthcare gets you.
 
ah the "True believer" strikes again.


Note they "don't want the cost", did you overlook that? Of course you did. :thumbs:

Do you have something to add, a link showing "Democrats bailing like the plague"? Anything other than personal attacks? I thought not.
 
So umm, where's the confidence level in that article? It's showing me the margin of error, but not at any confidence level.

Another message to take from your article, more than 9 of 10 oppose restrictions on the healthcare we can receive. Basically, no one wants rationing which is what government healthcare gets you.

Erod flatly stated that 60% of Americans oppose health care reform and that Democrats were "bailing from it like the plague". He offered no link or proof of this claim. Can you?
 
Another message to take from your article, more than 9 of 10 oppose restrictions on the healthcare we can receive. Basically, no one wants rationing which is what government healthcare gets you.
The sick thing though, is that if it does pass, rationing is the last stage, and in typical fashion, the offending politicians will get a pass because of the short memory syndrome of most voters, these guys will send healthcare to the septic tank and come out smelling like roses.
 
Funny, I don't recall my employer based health plan asking me any questions about pre-existing conditions.

They also covered my wife's pre-existing pregnancy.

That's because many employer-provided insurance plans cover all employees without regard to health status; the fees are structured that way, and all the employees share the higher risk of those less healthy.

The only option for individuals who are either self employed or who work for an employer who does not provide health insurance is to seek a private or individual policy. Under those circumstances they are more likely to be asked health questions, and if they have health problems (more likely as one gets older), they are likely either to be rejected outright or to be offered a policy at rates that are greater than what they have left over after paying for food, rent and utilities.

One of my cousins was rejected for being about 50 lbs overweight with no other health problems. It's people like her, and other relatives like the one I mentioned who had a stroke, who are falling through the health insurance cracks, and private insurance seems to have had little to no interest in filling that gap.
 
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