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Obama's Agenda Stands to Lose as Furor Over Bush Years Intensifies

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Obama's Agenda Stands to Lose as Furor Over Bush Years Intensifies - Political News - FOXNews.com

President Obama's ambitious domestic agenda for "hope" and "change" could soon get caught in the middle of a bitter debate over the policies of the past.

Early in the year, the president said he wanted to "look forward" and suggested he was not interested in opening high-profile investigations into the activities of the Bush administration.

But a series of developments halfway through Obama's first year related to the Bush administration's prosecution of the War on Terror are threatening to undermine the president's agenda and overshadow his message going forward, analysts say.

So much for Hope and Change that Mr. Obama and the Democrate's were going to bring huh. If Mr. Obama had a backbone or Set of Nads he would tell the Dems. in Congress that he is in charge of the Party and that he has made it very clear that the things of the past are just that The Past.
 
What you are proposing is what every Bush Apologist is hoping for. Sorry Charlie....
 
I want politicians held accountable for their actions, and should they use their invested powers improperly, I want them brought to justice. End of story. I don't care what party you are from, what branch of the government you are from. I want accountable government, end of story. Obama isn't the king of the Democrats, he's merely President of the United States; the executive, he executes the crap Congress tells him to execute and is given domain over the agencies necessary to execute that which Congress has said to.

That being said, I highly doubt that Obama or the Democrats in Congress are actually going to do something. They don't want to open the can of worms which is accountability; they know damned well they've done some terrible things too and if they start trying to hold the Republicans responsible...well hell that pendulium will quickly swing the other way. So both crooked parties are going to bitch about the improper actions of the other side and not do a damned thing about it to produce responsible government. And there's your "hope and change".

God damned aristocracy
 
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I say review FDRs record of interning AMERICAN CITIZENS! Or his threats to the Supreme Court among many other things. Please Bush wont be touched, he did nothing majour wrong, he ****ed up many things but thats not illegal.
 
He did it to himself. Releasing the "torture memos" opened Pandora's box, and, just like in the myth, by the time he gets the box closed again, the damage will have been done.

Moreover, the one sure way to close the box is a step he is reluctant to take: issue pardons for everyone. Take the threat of criminal prosecution off the table, then let folks in Congress investigate to their heart's content.

Instead, he's chosen to allow a steady drip drip drip of information leaking out, resurrecting the story line every few news cycles while sparking turf wars among his intelligence advisers.

Frankly, if it succeeds in derailing his agenda, I'll count that as a good thing.
 
I say review FDRs record of interning AMERICAN CITIZENS! Or his threats to the Supreme Court among many other things. Please Bush wont be touched, he did nothing majour wrong, he ****ed up many things but thats not illegal.

While this is true, I don't think it's proper to dismiss the treasons of today's politicians by the treasons of past politicians. People did it with Bush and the "Clinton did it", people do it now with Obama and the "Bush did it". I say enough is enough, hold all the bastards accountable. I don't care if someone in the past did something bad, if we can't get to those people it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't still hold the current people responsible.
 
While this is true, I don't think it's proper to dismiss the treasons of today's politicians by the treasons of past politicians. People did it with Bush and the "Clinton did it", people do it now with Obama and the "Bush did it". I say enough is enough, hold all the bastards accountable. I don't care if someone in the past did something bad, if we can't get to those people it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't still hold the current people responsible.

You do understand that if Congress does get there way then at least four high ranking Dem mainly the members of The Gang of Eight will be open tot he same investigation that they are calling for on the Bush Adm. don't forget the top Screaming Witch Speaker Pelosi has been part of the Gang of Eight for close eight years now.
 
You do understand that if Congress does get there way then at least four high ranking Dem mainly the members of The Gang of Eight will be open tot he same investigation that they are calling for on the Bush Adm. don't forget the top Screaming Witch Speaker Pelosi has been part of the Gang of Eight for close eight years now.

Hmmm:

That being said, I highly doubt that Obama or the Democrats in Congress are actually going to do something. They don't want to open the can of worms which is accountability; they know damned well they've done some terrible things too and if they start trying to hold the Republicans responsible...well hell that pendulum will quickly swing the other way. So both crooked parties are going to bitch about the improper actions of the other side and not do a damned thing about it to produce responsible government. And there's your "hope and change".

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I'm always against politically-motivated witchhunts. Questionable things get done during war, this is true now, this has always been true, this will always be true. Get over it.
 
You do understand that if Congress does get there way then at least four high ranking Dem mainly the members of The Gang of Eight will be open tot he same investigation that they are calling for on the Bush Adm. don't forget the top Screaming Witch Speaker Pelosi has been part of the Gang of Eight for close eight years now.

You do realize that Pelosi has pretty much been vindicated by the recent information about Cheney has come forward....
 
I'm always against politically-motivated witchhunts. Questionable things get done during war, this is true now, this has always been true, this will always be true. Get over it.

Not if those questionable things violate the Constitution and are used against the American people. No I will not get over it. The government doesn't have inherent power, it opperates only by the power and soveriegnty of the People. It seems some have forgotten that. I do not and will not accept and will not get over my power and soveriegnty being misused so the government may do as it pleases. All politicians regardless of branch of government, level of government, or political party must be held accountable for their actions. End of story. It's the only way by which we can keep this Republic.

But if you want to lose the Republic...then by all means, get over it.
 
You do understand that if Congress does get there way then at least four high ranking Dem mainly the members of The Gang of Eight will be open tot he same investigation that they are calling for on the Bush Adm. don't forget the top Screaming Witch Speaker Pelosi has been part of the Gang of Eight for close eight years now.
Not necessarily. Holder can direct the investigations anyway he chooses. ;)

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I want politicians held accountable for their actions
I want the Bush haters to be held accountable for their slander against him.

It's been 8 years and not a shred of evidence that he lied or broke any laws.
 
I want the Bush haters to be held accountable for their slander against him.

It's been 8 years and not a shred of evidence that he lied or broke any laws.

Are you seriously that blind?
 
You do realize that Pelosi has pretty much been vindicated by the recent information about Cheney has come forward....

No she hasn't as a matter of fact the so-called program was broadcasted to the whole World by Mr. Bush and two it never got past the talking stage so hence Congress didn't need to know about it.
 
Are you seriously that blind?
Are you seriously able to provide even a partial list of crimes (complete with statutory reference) allegedly committed by President Bush and/or members of his Administration?

Put up or shut up.
 
You do realize that Pelosi has pretty much been vindicated by the recent information about Cheney has come forward....
You mean that she didn't know **** after she was briefed on it?
 
Are you seriously able to provide even a partial list of crimes (complete with statutory reference) allegedly committed by President Bush and/or members of his Administration?

Put up or shut up.

The exact crimes brought to light remain to be seen, just as Al Capone was prosecuted for tax evasion. Nevertheless, you cannot do what Bush did, lie to Congress about the necessity for war, mobilize the military without justification, evesdrop on American citizens conversations and email without search warrant, torture detainees and imprison them without recourse to justice....we know all these things are wrong, exactly how they are crimes remains to be decided.
 
The exact crimes brought to light remain to be seen, just as Al Capone was prosecuted for tax evasion. Nevertheless, you cannot do what Bush did, lie to Congress about the necessity for war, mobilize the military without justification, evesdrop on American citizens conversations and email without search warrant, torture detainees and imprison them without recourse to justice....we know all these things are wrong, exactly how they are crimes remains to be decided.

Mome of the items you stated are any way or form crime committed by Mr. Bush all the items you posted had the blessing of the United States Congress so just get over it.
 
The exact crimes brought to light remain to be seen, just as Al Capone was prosecuted for tax evasion. Nevertheless, you cannot do what Bush did, lie to Congress about the necessity for war, mobilize the military without justification, evesdrop on American citizens conversations and email without search warrant, torture detainees and imprison them without recourse to justice....we know all these things are wrong, exactly how they are crimes remains to be decided.
Three words:

ex post facto

If you can't say how it's a crime now, it's not a crime. Call it wrong if you like, I might even agree with you in some of the particulars. Do not call it a crime if you can't point to a statute that was violated.

If the law does not preclude, it is not a crime. Merely being wrong is several reams of paper and about three gajillion Congressional debates from being criminal.
 
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