tlmorg02
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And that, folks, is how a propaganda looks like.
I'm not really going to play at all. I find these threads don't allow meaningful discussion. If you take any side other then a pro Israel side, you are called a bigot.
I just threw out the fact that the reformation of Israel was born out of propaganda.
I'm not really going to play at all. I find these threads don't allow meaningful discussion. If you take any side other then a pro Israel side, you are called a bigot.
I just threw out the fact that the reformation of Israel was born out of propaganda.
It shapes reality in a false way and then used as a support for one of the sides in the argument.How exactly is it propaganda? In hindsight, it does seem like a measurable reality that the creation of Israel has caused more damage than good.
I haven't been called bigot .... yet and i am far from the pro israel team.
The state of Israel came about because of many factors. Britain played a role as did the UN and we'd be lying if we said the Holocaust did not contribute
It shapes reality in a false way and then used as a support for one of the sides in the argument.
It's pure propaganda.
No, propagandist claims shape reality in a false way.So measured reality shapes reality in a false way? Interesting definition.
I do not think you are a bigot at all. I agree that Israel was born of propaganda because Europe, nor the U.S. wanted to house those displaced after the war due to their own racism. I do feel that they deserve a home without constant threat of destruction, and it happens to currently be in Israel. But if you wish to explore the propaganda of the creation, feel free sir.
K, but there were more than Jews killed by Hitler in the holocaust. He went after several ethnic groups, near wiped some out right? So if the Holocaust was a contributing factor, how come it didn't also spawn arguments for countries for the other ethnic groups who were systematically hunted down and killed?
The site chosen was the worst possible site if the end game was to create a safe haven. That was just propaganda, the plan was always to reoccupy the holy land regardless of risk factors associated with life there.
No, propagandist claims shape reality in a false way.
Right.
I think because the media played it up, they were highlighted not the gypsies who i also think deserve a country as much as Jews and Europe did not want to take them in still so supported the idea of a Jewish state
And guilt played a massive role and some can argue still does.
It was a collective thing Europeans and indeed the rest of the world felt.
No country needs to be blindly supported, and Israel is not blindly supported.In the end, what's done is done and Israel now exists and people need to get over it an acknowledge that. But at the same accord, I don't think we need to blindly support Israel just because it's Israel. It does seem that often times critique against Israel is met with accusations of bigotry or other nonsense. It may not be all the time, but it does seem to happen in general (not localized to this board).
There is little evidence that british weapons was used apart form the say so of Amenesty International
It seems it may be occuring because of this.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK sued over Israeli arms sales
I was critical of Gaza and Israel's actions but not because of the principal that Israel had the right to protect one self but because i got the feeling that the siege occured for no good reason outside of political gain. It did not manage to achieve the end it wished, remove Hamas or stop rockets. They continued falling and the death toll seemed too one sided.
Maybe it is just me who is concerned we are bowing to pressure groups at the drop of a hat.
If Israel says it did not use it, take its word for it unless there is undeniable evidence that it did use it.
No country needs to be blindly supported, and Israel is not blindly supported.
It can only be called as propaganda if one doesn't believe the holocaust existed, otherwise it's just cause and effect.And yet measured reality does indicate that in hindsight we have caused more conflict than we have solved by the creation of Israel in the place where it currently is located. So I asked, how that was propaganda. Or even the fact that Israel's base creation was based off of propaganda after WW II. That is also measured reality.
And I will wholeheartedly disagree with your wholehearted disagreement.I will wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.
Was it "marketed" as a safe haven, or just the biblical "promised land" of the Israeli's? I have never heard it referred to in any historical text as a safe haven.
Ahh.. no.I believe it was marketed as a safe haven. That is certainly a reason given by Truman when officially recognizing their formation.
It can only be called as propaganda if one doesn't believe the holocaust existed, otherwise it's just cause and effect.
And besides, the Zionist movement existed and acted towards the creation of the Jewish homeland in Israel since the 19th century.
And I will wholeheartedly disagree with your wholehearted disagreement.
It can only be called as propaganda if one doesn't believe the holocaust existed, otherwise it's just cause and effect.
And besides, the Zionist movement existed and acted towards the creation of the Jewish homeland in Israel since the 19th century.
Ahh.. no.
It was 'marketed' as the historic homeland of the Jewish people.