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Professor Ward Churchill Fails to Reclaim Job After Comparing 9/11 Victims to Nazi

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Professor Ward Churchill Fails to Reclaim Job After Comparing 9/11 Victims to Nazi Leader


"DENVER — A judge refused Tuesday to reinstate a University of Colorado professor who was fired on plagiarism charges after he likened some Sept. 11 terrorist attack victims to a Nazi leader."

"the ruling means Ward Churchill cannot return to the classroom even though he won a lawsuit in April arguing that his firing was politically motivated.

Churchill wrote an essay after the 2001 terrorist attacks calling the World Trade Center victims "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi who helped orchestrate the Holocaust. "



"University President Bruce Benson issued a statement saying the judge had "appropriately applied the law." "This ruling recognizes that the regents have to make important and difficult decisions. The threat of litigation should not be used to influence those decisions," he said"





After reading this whole thing my question is...Who exactly pays this jaktastical guy to lecture? Berkley cant have that many bookings to support him.
 
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I do not doubt his firings were politically motivated.Motivated in the sense that if he didn't compare the victims of a terrorist attack to Little Adolph Eichmans then most likely they wouldn't have did some digging. Just like that Jesse MacBeth who went around claiming to be a Army Ranger and veteran of the Iraq War and telling every leftist what they want to hear for fame. They both would have gotten away with their misdeeds if they didn't get on the radar.
 
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Thank God that seething bastard won't get his job back. His firing should have been political, because his statement was political. I hope he never teaches again. Liberals need to learn they can't spew their hate in the classroom.
 
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American said:
Liberals need to learn they can't spew their hate in the classroom.
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I would take offense to this statement because it inaccurately labels a legitimate political ideology and ties it directly to an extremest view. I would not characterize is views as liberal, but rather just ignorant.

With that said, I would certainly approve of educators such as this fool to be question whether they have the competence to teach. It is not so much what they say, but how they came to these conclusions. It does not matter to me whether I necessarily agree, but more so is there a rational, logical, and factual basis to these conclusions. For someone like him, these do not exist, nor does he care to to attempt any rationalization which is why I would agree he should lose his position. His role is to educate, not make people more ignorant than when they come into the classroom.
 
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sam_w said:
I would take offense to this statement because it inaccurately labels a legitimate political ideology and ties it directly to an extremest view. I would not characterize is views as liberal, but rather just ignorant.

With that said, I would certainly approve of educators such as this fool to be question whether they have the competence to teach. It is not so much what they say, but how they came to these conclusions. It does not matter to me whether I necessarily agree, but more so is there a rational, logical, and factual basis to these conclusions. For someone like him, these do not exist, nor does he care to to attempt any rationalization which is why I would agree he should lose his position. His role is to educate, not make people more ignorant than when they come into the classroom.
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The extremist view is running the party, where have you been?
 
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sam_w said:
I would take offense to this statement because it inaccurately labels a legitimate political ideology and ties it directly to an extremest view.
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Since when is comparing the victims of a terrorist attack to little Adolf Eichmann not extreme?
 
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Trying to have a honest discourse here..

I am objecting to the statement that gives a blanket address to all Liberals and applying that Ward Churchill is representative of Liberals. This is both false and dishonest implication.

So are the Neo-Nazis then representative of all conservatives? Should we disallow any conservative to teach in any school because of far right wingnuts?
 
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jamesrage said:
Since when is comparing the victims of a terrorist attack to little Adolf Eichmann not extreme?
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He clearly called it an "extremist view." Drink some coffee. :2razz:
 
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jamesrage said:
Since when is comparing the victims of a terrorist attack to little Adolf Eichmann not extreme?
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That's not what he's saying. He's saying taking Ward Churchhill and using him as an example for "All liberals" is wrong because he is an extreme. It'd be like saying All Conservatives need to learn they can't blame things like 9/11 or Katrina on "The Gays" because one extreme conservative made the comment.
 
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sam_w said:
Trying to have a honest discourse here..

I am objecting to the statement that gives a blanket address to all Liberals and applying that Ward Churchill is representative of Liberals. This is both false and dishonest implication.

So are the Neo-Nazis then representative of all conservatives? Should we disallow any conservative to teach in any school because of far right wingnuts?
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I tend to agree. I haven't read anything to suggest he has a political affiliation. Churchill is an anti-American, anti-establishment propagandist, combined with what seems to be all the traits of a pathological liar. He has support from both sides of the political spectrum who hold extremist views.
 
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I'm leaning towards jamesrage's and American's points made here. I agree with Sam W in that at one time those who could be described as liberals would never have given Ward Churchill the time of day. That's not the way it goes now. Does anyone doubt that Obama and Jimmy Carter both are leading liberals of the Democrat party. Both openly embrace dictators like Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad (yeah, they embrace him also), and, of course, the budding dictator Zelaya. Churchill just takes it slightly further - he's kind of the William Ayers of his time! More decent liberals in denial cannot admit just how warped Obama's and Carter's actions can be at times. Harry Reid said that the Iraq war was lost while it was being won while Murthra accused innocent US Marines of being war criminals (anyone remember that)... sort of reminds one of Jane Fonda in her younger years. Yep... the Democrats are truly the party of radical liberals and less radical liberals just have problems swallowing that pill!
 
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rebelbuc said:
I'm leaning towards jamesrage's and American's points made here. I agree with Sam W in that at one time those who could be described as liberals would never have given Ward Churchill the time of day. That's not the way it goes now. Does anyone doubt that Obama and Jimmy Carter both are leading liberals of the Democrat party. Both openly embrace dictators like Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad (yeah, they embrace him also), and, of course, the budding dictator Zelaya. Churchill just takes it slightly further - he's kind of the William Ayers of his time! More decent liberals in denial cannot admit just how warped Obama's and Carter's actions can be at times. Harry Reid said that the Iraq war was lost while it was being won while Murthra accused innocent US Marines of being war criminals (anyone remember that)... sort of reminds one of Jane Fonda in her younger years. Yep... the Democrats are truly the party of radical liberals and less radical liberals just have problems swallowing that pill!
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As a moderate, I'd say that it looks to me like both parties are, to some degree, controlled by their extremists right now.

The moveon.org types, for instance, I find flat out insane. Ditto the Jerry Falwells of the world.
 
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I have to ask. Can you explain in a coherent, supported, and factual basis to the statement:
Both openly embrace dictators like Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad (yeah, they embrace him also), and, of course, the budding dictator Zelaya
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The reason I ask this is simply that you are almost in effect in the same bed as Ward Churchill: making emotionally tinged statements that feed to inner feelings without regards to any actual factual basis. This is what Ward Churchill has done, and by these statements you have done yourself.

Second, how would you go about addressing the fact that so many dictators have been openly embraced by Republicans as well?

I do not see a very strong embrace of Zelaya. In fact it seems that there has been a very tepid response indeed from this administration. Yet the fact remains that there has been a military coup that removed an elected president. The politics of the president should matter to no one, it is the principle that matters. I think the irony may be lost here.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
As a moderate, I'd say that it looks to me like both parties are, to some degree, controlled by their extremists right now.

The moveon.org types, for instance, I find flat out insane. Ditto the Jerry Falwells of the world.
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I'll accept Jerry Falwell's views and reject moveon.org's any day of the week... even though I don't want the religious right ever having the power to bring back blue laws or increased media censorship - Americans would not stand for that sort of imposed values. However, the mainstream media has done a fine job of censoring the views of most Americans and bring undeserved power to the radical left. There were over 1500 tea parties on the 4th of July weekend - did we see any evidence of that.

We do need a balance in this country and we're dangerously leaning way to the left these days. Take a look around the world and notice that it doesn't take much to go from liberty to a dictatorship. We're in trouble if Americans don't wake up and more fervently reject views like Churchill's!
 
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sam_w said:
Trying to have a honest discourse here..

I am objecting to the statement that gives a blanket address to all Liberals and applying that Ward Churchill is representative of Liberals. This is both false and dishonest implication.

So are the Neo-Nazis then representative of all conservatives? Should we disallow any conservative to teach in any school because of far right wingnuts?
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Keep trying. That's why Ward Churchill gets mentioned at all. Talking heads bring out these anecdotal examples of the "American Left" and forum fodder parrot them here. Just look at the comments. A story gets posted about the nutty professor and in just a few posts we're treated to a goofy mini diatribe against the Democrat Party. classic.

welcome to the board Sam. some threads are a waste of time.
 
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niftydrifty said:
Keep trying. That's why Ward Churchill gets mentioned at all. Talking heads bring out these anecdotal examples of the "American Left" and forum fodder parrot them here. Just look at the comments. A story gets posted about the nutty professor and in just a few posts we're treated to a goofy mini diatribe against the Democrat Party. classic.

welcome to the board Sam. some threads are a waste of time.
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Get off your high horse. Are you trying to say the same thing doesn't happen when some idiotic hyper partisan, extreme right preacher comes out and says some bull**** that the left leaning people on this forum aren't immedietely flooding threads making the person out to be a representitive of "conservatives"?
 
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I think most of us left and right say a hearty "F" Ward Churchill and the horse he rode in on.......


Only a few select kooks I could see supporting this idiot.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Get off your high horse. Are you trying to say the same thing doesn't happen when some idiotic hyper partisan, extreme right preacher comes out and says some bull**** that the left leaning people on this forum aren't immedietely flooding threads making the person out to be a representitive of "conservatives"?
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Let me know if anything I said was not true. Let me know if you see me saying anything resembling what you ask that I might be "trying to say." Let me know if I have ever participated in such generalizations about the American Right, based upon such anecdotes.

Gosh, the perpetual preacher and lecturer asks me to "get off my high horse." As usual, I speak to the "topic," the OP and the posts below it. But your topic is another poster, or what allegedly happens in some other threads on the forum.

Shameful. Even a high horse would be preferable to your low horse.
 
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sam_w said:
I have to ask. Can you explain in a coherent, supported, and factual basis to the statement:


The reason I ask this is simply that you are almost in effect in the same bed as Ward Churchill: making emotionally tinged statements that feed to inner feelings without regards to any actual factual basis. This is what Ward Churchill has done, and by these statements you have done yourself.

Second, how would you go about addressing the fact that so many dictators have been openly embraced by Republicans as well?

I do not see a very strong embrace of Zelaya. In fact it seems that there has been a very tepid response indeed from this administration. Yet the fact remains that there has been a military coup that removed an elected president. The politics of the president should matter to no one, it is the principle that matters. I think the irony may be lost here.
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How can you deny that Obama and Carter embrace Ahmadinejad, Chavez, and Castro? Have you ever heard either say that they support the power of the people in these countries? Carter validated an obviously fraudulent election years ago where he later admitted something to the effect that he didn't want to stir the pot and cause civil unrest. Obama could not even bring himself to criticize the leadership in Iran after another likely fraudulent election. Why should Obama or Carter give the time of day to Castro when he has done so much destruction in Cuba? ... as if he is such a humanitarian! Zelaya is merely a coming chapter in the same book! I do not agree with US support for any dictator by any liberal or conservative president, such as was done with the Shah of Iran and at one time Saddam Hussein. The only exception might be when such an alliance might serve to protect the US (remember our alliance with Russian in WWII?). I don't believe that most conservative rants are based on emotion although some certainly are. I do believe that most liberal arguments that surface in the liberal mainstream media are quick-hitting, emotional talking points that serve to indoctrinate the ignorant masses.

Now, back to the point of this thread... Is Ward Churchill's calling victims of 911 Eichmann's all that far removed from Obama's validating Ahmadinejad's denial of the holocaust and desire to destroy Israel. Obama's show of respect for Ahmadinejad by meeting on his terms symbolically ranks him as a deserving peer... what a joke!

It's too bad that Idi Amin is long gone... Obama would have loved that guy!
 
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Zyphlin said:
That's not what he's saying. He's saying taking Ward Churchhill and using him as an example for "All liberals" is wrong because he is an extreme. It'd be like saying All Conservatives need to learn they can't blame things like 9/11 or Katrina on "The Gays" because one extreme conservative made the comment.
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It's never all of any group, but it is all of what you SEE from any group that controls most of their actions, and the extremists of the left are running the party in Congress and the WH.
 
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rebelbuc said:
Now, back to the point of this thread... Is Ward Churchill's calling victims of 911 Eichmann's all that far removed from Obama's validating Ahmadinejad's denial of the holocaust and desire to destroy Israel. Obama's show of respect for Ahmadinejad by meeting on his terms symbolically ranks him as a deserving peer... what a joke!

It's too bad that Idi Amin is long gone... Obama would have loved that guy!
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This is just Hyper-Partisan BS on your part. Obama HAS spoken against holocaust deniers. How is that validating holocaust deniers?

The joke is how hyper-partisan some on the right have become with ODS that they make up lies now simply because their side can't even agree with each other on how to move forward.
 
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Ward Churchill is not a liberal since he does not support liberal principles. What he IS is a leftist, which is something quite distingushable from liberal.
Liberalism is a political ideology based upon certain MORAL tenets, while leftists abandon any sense of morality by indulging in such relativism as to render the whole notion moot. Whereas liberals evaluate the world according to principles, these leftists merely adopt a certain groupthink, adhering to dogma rather than principles.

Hopefully, this will help further a trend, and good riddance I say. Norm the Fink was denied tenure, Churchill is gone, who knows -- perhaps some actual liberals can come to represent academia some day.
 
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Some good points here. Unfortunately, since I'm apparently an East German Communist now, according to aposter in another thread, obviously I'm not familiar enough with U.S. history to be able to comment on the revisionist historian Ward Churchill, so I will leave my Amerikan friends with this little known history from Europe:

THE IRISH FAMINE of the 1840s:A Sinister Fraud

Also note ... the HOG/ZOG connection ...

But while death records during the 1840’s are few and far between, there was, simultaneously, a different phenomenon that was much more scrupulously recorded, to which the documents attest in abundance: emigration. Curious, is it not, that while 1.5 million Irish were busy dying in secret, documented evidence proves that more than 1 million were quietly emigrating. It is in this way that the Potato Hoax was manipulated by the Elders of Eire to maximum political and financial benefit. By exaggerating the damage done by one silly little crop fungus to monumental proportions, they were able to orchestrate an Irish diaspora, thus securing a foothold in North America that eventually locked in a huge voting bloc for their master the Pope. EoE agents in the diaspora reorganized themselves into the Hibernian Occupational Government (HOG), which now controls the Irish vote in the United States. This is the very same voting bloc that elected such HOG puppets as John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, who represent the communist and capitalist extremes that the Irish dominate. This is the same voting bloc that will do whatever its twin masters Dublin and Vatican City tell it to do.
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*NOTE: It is actually erroneous to refer to the Irish as Celts, though we do so because our readers may not be aware of the distinction. Although the Irish may have some Celtic blood in them, their island was beset by the same waves of invasion as England was. Therefore, they are just as much Saxon, Viking, or Normand as they are Celt. Consequently, their claim on Northern Ireland is as ludicrous as Norway or Normandy laying claim to it. However, it is also a fact, suppressed from our schools and from the controlled media, that the Celts migrated from as far as Eastern Europe, and possibly into the steppes of Russia. Therefore, there can be no more doubt: revisionist research has proved conclusively that the true Celts are in fact EAST EUROPEAN JEWS!
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.. so, please, let's not allow this Ward Churchill's historical revisionism to discredit all revisionism, eh Komrades? ...
 
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Zyphlin said:
That's not what he's saying. He's saying taking Ward Churchhill and using him as an example for "All liberals" is wrong because he is an extreme. It'd be like saying All Conservatives need to learn they can't blame things like 9/11 or Katrina on "The Gays" because one extreme conservative made the comment.
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My mistake,I admit I misread his post.
 
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akyron said:
Professor Ward Churchill Fails to Reclaim Job After Comparing 9/11 Victims to Nazi Leader


"DENVER — A judge refused Tuesday to reinstate a University of Colorado professor who was fired on plagiarism charges after he likened some Sept. 11 terrorist attack victims to a Nazi leader."

"the ruling means Ward Churchill cannot return to the classroom even though he won a lawsuit in April arguing that his firing was politically motivated.

Churchill wrote an essay after the 2001 terrorist attacks calling the World Trade Center victims "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi who helped orchestrate the Holocaust. "



"University President Bruce Benson issued a statement saying the judge had "appropriately applied the law." "This ruling recognizes that the regents have to make important and difficult decisions. The threat of litigation should not be used to influence those decisions," he said"





After reading this whole thing my question is...Who exactly pays this jaktastical guy to lecture? Berkley cant have that many bookings to support him.
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Churchill is a brilliant man, the problem is that he says a lot of stupid ****.

Remember even the smartest among us can be very dumb at times.
 
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