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Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

Goobieman said:
You missed something. I'm sure ti was on purpose.



Now, you villified Bush for doing this.
Where is your similar criticism of your Messiah?
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No.

The Left villified Bush for holding terrorists without trial.

The Left is excusing their Messiah for continuing to hold terrorists who've been acquitted in the trials the Left insisted they be allowed to have.

That's a huge difference, and completely illustrative of the fascist nature of Leftists.
 
MrVicchio said:
Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free - Political News - FOXNews.com

So kiddies, was Bush the evil bastard the media portrayed him to be, or has Obama grown up just a bit and is facing the truth of the war on terror?
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Bush is still a bastard don't worry.
He is turning into Bush but to be fair, he can string a sentence together. Bush just looked retarded from beginning to end. At least Obama can lie very well and fool me he'd be different
Can the rest of the world imprison US citizens as well even if they are acquitted of a crime?
I hope this is a two way street.
 
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The whole problem with Gitmo is that the "war" on terror will never end. Of course we need to detain people during hostilities, for a variety of reasons. But Bush and now Obama have both stated essentially that the release of detainees is predicated on an event (ending the WoT) that will clearly never happen. They hide behind this bs facade of needing to hold people "until the cessation of hostilities," all the while knowing damn well that will never happen. The government should not be allowed to detain people forever, under any circumstances. The fact that it now can under the guise of "national security" and the "war" on terror should send a chill down your spines!
 
The Good Reverend notices a lack of participation from certain lefties in this thread. :lol:
 
I could act as a surogate lefty if necessary. :mrgreen:
 
Binary_Digit said:
The government should not be allowed to detain people forever, under any circumstances. The fact that it now can under the guise of "national security" and the "war" on terror should send a chill down your spines!
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So.. if WW2 was still going on, we should not be wtill holding German/Jap POWs?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The Good Reverend notices a lack of participation from certain lefties in this thread. :lol:
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So maybe you should PM the ones you have in mind and ask them to participate.

There are lots of threads in this forum I never see, simply because I don't have time to look past the top half of the first page of new threads once I've checked out the ones I've replied to lately.
 
stevenb said:
While the military and patriot acts are still around, that's exactly what this government can do to it's own citizens.. as long as they call you a terrorist.

We won't ever see those repealed though.. way too much power for the government to let go of.
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Once again; these are NOT US citizens. If they were, then they would be treated under our Constitutional laws and habeas corpus and given a trial.

Why is it so hard for Libruls to comprehend the FACTS and REALITY? Is it because it just will not support your uninformed political views?
 
Uh huh, and who decides who retains their US citizenship, hmm?

If you start denying non-citizens their basic human rights, then all of us are one court proceeding away from being treated the same way.
 
ARealConservative said:
We're still here.

The difference is we were also bashing Bush for his stimulus plans, for his foray in large government disguised as "compassion", and for his meddling in international affairs, while you ignored it because of the R behind his name.
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We didn't "ignore" Bush's spending. We understood the reason behind it; the devastation of 9-11, fighting two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the devastation of hurricane Katrina....you know, all the things you and the Libruls pretended never happened.

We also defended Bush for the TRUTH; you know, when everyone claimed the economy was a mess while the stock market climbed over 14,000 and unemployment was at all time lows.

Now with Government spending exceeding the multi-trillions, we laugh at people like you who voted for this "post turtle" and his message of change using lies, distortions and profound naivete' about how the REAL economy works and watch as unemployment rises to double digits not seen since the depression and wonder why everyone is still making excuses for this gross grab for Government power and control.

How pathetic is it that you people continue whining about Bush's spending us into a $200 billion deficit when under Republican control the deficit was in decline to under $165 billion but after Dems took over went back up to $465 billion and now looks to exceed $2 trillion.

How pathetic that you people continue whining about Bush's policies regarding the treatment of detainees but now are silent when Obama does exactly the same things?

One has to wonder what newly fabricated excuses will be made for Obama and the Librul Dems when the economy continues its massive plunge and Americans start to get the tax bills to pay for all this librul largess, when businesses have to pay the costs of Cap and Trade and when entrepreneurs and businesses are tapped out for health care reform.

We should all be very concerned and afraid for the future watching these intellectually challenged idiots who now infest our Government with their moronic agenda which will not INCREASE economic output or tax revenues, but in reality, destroy both for decades to come.
 
Truth Detector said:
Once again; these are NOT US citizens. If they were, then they would be treated under our Constitutional laws and habeas corpus and given a trial.

Why is it so hard for Libruls to comprehend the FACTS and REALITY? Is it because it just will not support your uninformed political views?
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I was addressing the fact that your citizenship can be gone in the blink of an eye with these two acts.

nice try though.
 
Truth Detector said:
We didn't "ignore" Bush's spending. We understood the reason behind it; the devastation of 9-11, fighting two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the devastation of hurricane Katrina....you know, all the things you and the Libruls pretended never happened.
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You come off as a grade A apologist.

Ignoring the ridiculousness of the Iraq war for a minute, Bush also sponsored bailouts and "compassion". He went an entire term without vetoing a single spending item, when we were flush in pork spending.
 
Laila said:
Bush is still a bastard don't worry.
He is turning into Bush but to be fair, he can string a sentence together. Bush just looked retarded from beginning to end. At least Obama can lie very well and fool me he'd be different
Can the rest of the world imprison US citizens as well even if they are acquitted of a crime?
I hope this is a two way street.
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...because you say so.....once again thanks for playing the hyperbole game.

Funny I never saw your outrage at Obama's stupidity when he claimed to have visited 58 states with two more to go.

Yep, the man is a REAL genius. The notion that Obama could hold a candle to Bush's intelligence while he destroys the future of America and its economy requires a willful ignorance I just cannot comprehend.

I know, your hate for Bush is all about the war; peaceniks leave their logic and intelligence behind when it comes to protesting anyone who dares fight a war. Funny how they never seem inclined to whine about the despots, dictators and terrorists who cause the wars.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Uh huh, and who decides who retains their US citizenship, hmm?

If you start denying non-citizens their basic human rights, then all of us are one court proceeding away from being treated the same way.
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What human rights are we denying? I keep hearing this farcical claim but am at a loss of what "human rights" have been denied.

Perhaps you can shed some light on this? :roll:
 
stevenb said:
I was addressing the fact that your citizenship can be gone in the blink of an eye with these two acts.

nice try though.
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But that is an outright lie. Do you have any PROOF that our Government can and will remove your citizenship?

Of course you do not because it is a farcical argument made in a vacuum of reality and the facts.

Your efforts aren't even on the same planet as a "nice try."
 
Truth Detector said:
But that is an outright lie. Do you have any PROOF that our Government can and will remove your citizenship?

Of course you do not because it is a farcical argument made in a vacuum of reality and the facts.

Your efforts aren't even on the same planet as a "nice try."
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wikipedia said:
"Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A – Military Commissions (of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (10 U.S.C. 948a (Section 1, Subchapter I))). The definition of unlawful and lawful enemy combatant is given in Chapter 47A—Military commission: Subchapter I--General provisions: Sec. 948a. Definitions

"The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means —

(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaida, or associated forces); or
(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."

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"The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is —

(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States."

The Act also defines an alien as "a person who is not a citizen of the United States", and a co-belligerent to mean "any State or armed force joining and directly engaged with the United States in hostilities or directly supporting hostilities against a common enemy."
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So, when they determine that you are a "enemy combatant" via tribunal... You're rights as an American citizen are gone.

Don't let your partisan blinders keep you from seeing that this can be abused.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Uh huh, and who decides who retains their US citizenship, hmm?

If you start denying non-citizens their basic human rights, then all of us are one court proceeding away from being treated the same way.
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I dont believe it is possible for a court to take away US citizenship.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You didn't see it, right in the first sentence of the OP?
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I read the OP and didn't see any proof or credible conclusion suggesting that anyone's human rights are being denied. Please highlight where this is occurring and how it is a violation of human rights for my education and edification.
 
stevenb said:
So, when they determine that you are a "enemy combatant" via tribunal... You're rights as an American citizen are gone.

Don't let your partisan blinders keep you from seeing that this can be abused.
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The only one with "partisan blinders" on appears to be you.

Here is the very first sentence; I have highlighted and underlined the pertinent wording and ask what part of ALIEN do you not comprehend?

"Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A "
 
Goobieman said:
I dont believe it is possible for a court to take away US citizenship.
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Incorrect.

The Feds have already defined several circumstances under which even natural-born citizens can be stripped of their citizenship, and there is no Constitutional safeguard to prevent the government from expanding those circumstances (aside from an iffy 8th Amendment argument of course).

If we allow the Feds to imprison non-citizens indefinitely, with or without charges and with or without a conviction, they can do it to any of us.
 
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