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Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist, as in Jeffersonian non-interventionism.
The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.
 
The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.

That's fine, but do not misrepresent him as an isolationist. That definition carries with it specific connotations that do not apply to him; the most important of which is an adherence to protectionist economic policy.
 
That's fine, but do not misrepresent him as an isolationist. That definition carries with it specific connotations that do not apply to him; the most important of which is an adherence to protectionist economic policy.
Fair enough. My fault.
 
The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.
No ...

It means the US will not intervene where we do not have a vested interest in doing so. That is how he decides what is worth intervening in and what isn't.
 
No ...

It means the US will not intervene where we do not have a vested interest in doing so. That is how he decides what is worth intervening in and what isn't.
Exactly.......And who decides where we have a vested interest? Many people feel that we had a vested interest in invading Iraq. Many didn't. It is the President's decision to make.
 
Exactly.......And who decides where we have a vested interest? Many people feel that we had a vested interest in invading Iraq. Many didn't. It is the President's decision to make.
Actually, as it breaks out with Paul, the non-interventionism basically means not starting a war and not being part of foreign alliances. We would attack if we were attacked first, but never throw the first punch.
 
Actually, as it breaks out with Paul, the non-interventionism basically means not starting a war and not being part of foreign alliances. We would attack if we were attacked first, but never throw the first punch.
So he's an isolationist........(militarily anyway)
 
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So he's an isolationist........(militarily anyway)
"Isolationism" is non-interventionalist foreign policy plus economic protectionism.
 
"Isolationism" is non-interventionalist foreign policy plus economic protectionism.
He may not qualify as an isolationist as it is defined by Websters, but any man who takes a stance of not creating or upholding allies in the world believes in isolation, at least from a foreign policy perspective. When you throw in the "not being part of foreign alliances" part, you go beyond non-interventionism.

His stance has been tried before. Before both world wars, we had that view. We stayed away from anything remotely related to war, but did allow for imported goods. That stance did not work then, even with the Atlantic and Pacific protecting us. What makes you think it would work in an age of ICBM's?

It's just not feasible.
 
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Stuart Smalley will fit right in with all of the other clowns polluting the halls of congress. Does anyone really believe this guy Al Frankin will make a good senator?

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Stuart Smalley will fit right in with all of the other clowns polluting the halls of congress. Does anyone really believe this guy Al Frankin will make a good senator?

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Yes, I'm quite sure he will.
 
based on what?

His intelligence, his grasp of issues, his commitment to those issues, his demonstrated commitment to the troops through his contributions to the USO, his lack of affiliation with PACs and corporate backing. Franken has demonstrated his serious interest in politics for years with his radio show and books. Sure there were plenty of jokes along the way, but he is not kidding now, and should be taken seriously.
 
His intelligence, his grasp of issues, his commitment to those issues, his demonstrated commitment to the troops through his contributions to the USO, his lack of affiliation with PACs and corporate backing. Franken has demonstrated his serious interest in politics for years with his radio show and books. Sure there were plenty of jokes along the way, but he is not kidding now, and should be taken seriously.
The only 2 things in that list that are relevant are his intelligence and grasp of the issues, which are debatable. Not saying you're wrong, just that I disagree.
 
The only 2 things in that list that are relevant are his intelligence and grasp of the issues, which are debatable. Not saying you're wrong, just that I disagree.

Do you actually know anything about him other than his work on SNL? He's been a senator for 8 hours, what is there about his record that you dislike?
 
Do you actually know anything about him other than his work on SNL? He's been a senator for 8 hours, what is there about his record that you dislike?
He is a far left ideologue. Naturally, I don't believe he will be a good Senator. Yes, I am familiar with him and have read some of his work. You can be very condescending for someone who bailed out of our last discussion so quickly.
 
He is a far left ideologue. Naturally, I don't believe he will be a good Senator. Yes, I am familiar with him and have read some of his work. You can be very condescending for someone who bailed out of our last discussion so quickly.


Tax slip-up mars Franken campaign
Franken pays $70,000 back taxes, penalties

Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator




A psychopathic tax evader in congress? Good job fit.


Al Franken’s secret
If Krugman endorses him I will be against him on principle anyway.

Krugman is a bought and paid for lackey of the IMF and World Bank.
 
Do you actually know anything about him other than his work on SNL? He's been a senator for 8 hours, what is there about his record that you dislike?

My main problem with him is that he is the liberal Anne Coulter.
 
The only 2 things in that list that are relevant are his intelligence and grasp of the issues, which are debatable. Not saying you're wrong, just that I disagree.

Franken was a math wiz who graduated Havard with honors where he majored in Political Science.

He actually is good enough and smart enough. ;)
 
Apparently they do. He's the winner and you, obviously, are a loser. GO AL!!

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He is a politician, just like the rest of them. I refuse to be a whore to either political party. I like to bash them both equally. Why? Because they are bad enough, they are stupid enough, and gosh darn it, I can't stand any of them. :mrgreen:
 
Franken was a math wiz who graduated Havard with honors where he majored in Political Science.

He actually is good enough and smart enough. ;)
Jimmy Carter had the highest IQ of any President in the last few decades. What's your point?
 
The fact is that Bush ran as a conservative and governed as a liberal, at least fiscally. And looking back on it, I would have still voted for him again. A lot of people voted GOP to prevent Al Gore and John Kerry from reaching the presidency.

when Democrats want to be spend money, Republicans call it socialism. When Republicans want to spend money, they call it Jesus and national defense.

Republicans have never, ever been about reducing the size of government.
 
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