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Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

MrVicchio said:
Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage - Political News - FOXNews.com

Yeah, so where are all those folks that screamed about their lost "rights" under the Patriot Act at now? Freedom? Not in the USSA...
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Here's the way I see it - What are they going to do, throw us all in jail for refusing to pay our fines? The jails are already overcrowded from all those they have convicted in their failed phony drug war. They don't have room for all of us, so let's give them the finger. :mrgreen:
 
Shep Dawg said:
Do you really believe the Gov't doesn't have access to ALL of your medical records now?
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As of now, I do believe, they need a warrant to access your personal medical records. If this bill gets passed, then they can bypass the warrant process and just look through it. Who knows what kind of mix ups and foul play that may cause.
 
Donkey1499 said:
As of now, I do believe, they need a warrant to access your personal medical records. If this bill gets passed, then they can bypass the warrant process and just look through it. Who knows what kind of mix ups and foul play that may cause.
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OK, thanks for the clarification. Unwarranted access is one thing. Although for most Gov't agencies to obtain a warrant these days, it takes them less time than it tales me to buy a cup of coffee at 7/11.
 
scourge99 said:
If you aren't going to be part of the health care solution then you are part of the problem. :roll:
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My health care solution is for the government to stfu and quit fining me for being "conservative" with my life.
 
scourge99 said:
If you aren't going to be part of the health care solution then you are part of the problem. :roll:
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Universal Health Care is not the solution. People have the right to choose what type of Health Care they want, if any. The idea of charging an American citizen money because they did not buy into the product the government was pushing is stupid. Next they are going to pass a bill saying we are not allowed to talk negatively about the plan. Not everyone needs Health Care, just like not everyone is cut out for college. They can get Health Care from an existing company the government does not need to force everyone into theirs.

Besides what is this going to do for jobs? A government Health Care that everyone is required to have, and that is putting a monopoly on the business will put thousands out of work. Think of all the employees that work for existing Health Care companies. They will all be without a job, Barry needs to think this through more.
 
Donkey1499 said:
Because then the government would have access to ALL of your medical records. I consider my medical records to be the business of my doctor and myself ONLY.
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You mean between you, your doctor, the insurance companies, and any other financial or procedural people in between?

The government doesn't need to know the details of your visit. Just the cost involved and the overall category of care given.
 
Donkey1499 said:
Because then the government would have access to ALL of your medical records. I consider my medical records to be the business of my doctor and myself ONLY.
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Now if only they could consolidate it down into one smart card.....
 
apdst said:
How 'bout we just make them get their own health insurance if they want it, then? Don't make anybody pay. Stop making me match my employee's medicare and SS.
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Employer's aren't forced to provide employee's with health care. Though this bill may do this for large companies if passed in it's current form.

Medicare and Social Security should be eliminated entirely. Especially Social Security.
 
Gibberish said:
Employer's aren't forced to provide employee's with health care. Though this bill may do this for large companies if passed in it's current form.

Medicare and Social Security should be eliminated entirely. Especially Social Security.
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What'ed I just say?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
It would make more sense for you to be upset that you're having to pay their medical care, not that they're not paying "premiums".

If you're not upset that you're being forced to cover any stranger's expenses for anything, you deserve to be forced to pay.

It's a hell of a lot worse than recorded phone calls, every day of the week.
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I am always going to pay health care for some people. Those on welfare and unemployment will get tax payer funded health care. Hell government employee's get tax payer funded health care.

The health care provision free market is strangled into submission by insurance companies. Until the inflated prices of health care procedures is brought down we are forced dependency on the sole group that inflated the prices in the first place so we would become dependent on them.

There needs to be another alternative. The problem is it seems the government is the only one capable of providing that since any other private companies doing it would be annihilated by the insurance companies.
 
Polimaster said:
Universal Health Care is not the solution. People have the right to choose what type of Health Care they want, if any. The idea of charging an American citizen money because they did not buy into the product the government was pushing is stupid. Next they are going to pass a bill saying we are not allowed to talk negatively about the plan. Not everyone needs Health Care, just like not everyone is cut out for college. They can get Health Care from an existing company the government does not need to force everyone into theirs.

Besides what is this going to do for jobs? A government Health Care that everyone is required to have, and that is putting a monopoly on the business will put thousands out of work. Think of all the employees that work for existing Health Care companies. They will all be without a job, Barry needs to think this through more.
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MrVicchio said:
I'm one of those folks that believe Government, IS the problem... and since you back the Government... you're the problem.
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DarkWizard12 said:
My health care solution is for the government to stfu and quit fining me for being "conservative" with my life.
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It was sarcasm people. And I was laying it on pretty thick. :doh
 
MrVicchio said:
Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage - Political News - FOXNews.com

Yeah, so where are all those folks that screamed about their lost "rights" under the Patriot Act at now? Freedom? Not in the USSA...
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This is why the system will get flooded just like Canada's and every other place that has socialized medicine. You force people to pay for it they are going to use it to get their money's worth and if you hand out it out to others for free they are going to use it because everyone else is.
 
Ok, all you "patriots" who don't want medical coverage and are outraged by the idea of a fine. Who will pay the bill when your son falls out of a tree and breaks his leg? You? You have $50,000 sitting around for emergencies? Suppose you have a heart attack and need emergency bypass surgery. You have any idea what that costs? Who is going to pay for it since you don't want coverage? Answer that please.
 
WillRockwell said:
Ok, all you "patriots" who don't want medical coverage and are outraged by the idea of a fine. Who will pay the bill when your son falls out of a tree and breaks his leg? You? You have $50,000 sitting around for emergencies? Suppose you have a heart attack and need emergency bypass surgery. You have any idea what that costs? Who is going to pay for it since you don't want coverage? Answer that please.
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I will, yes I have the money. Do you value freedom or power more?
 
WillRockwell said:
Ok, all you "patriots" who don't want medical coverage and are outraged by the idea of a fine. Who will pay the bill when your son falls out of a tree and breaks his leg? You? You have $50,000 sitting around for emergencies? Suppose you have a heart attack and need emergency bypass surgery. You have any idea what that costs? Who is going to pay for it since you don't want coverage? Answer that please.
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Well giving the government $1000 isn't going to cover it. So I guess the hospital eats the cost just like they always do with uninsured.

This is just a cashscam by the government, nothing more.
 
Well I am not against the idea of UHC, I just don't think it should be implemented at this time due to the debt we have.

Secondly though, I am absolutely against any sort of fine being given out to people who refuse to go on it.

One of the main arguments to allow UHC, is to let people that don't want it not have to go on it.

If they are being forced to go on it because they can't afford a fine, then I am against this UHC plan.
 
WI Crippler said:
Well giving the government $1000 isn't going to cover it. So I guess the hospital eats the cost just like they always do with uninsured.

This is just a cashscam by the government, nothing more.
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It's the taxpayer that "eats the cost" one way or the other. If you refuse to contribute to the health care system but still use hospitals when you need them, $1000 a year (it is a yearly fine) is the very least you can contribute.
 
WillRockwell said:
It's the taxpayer that "eats the cost" one way or the other. If you refuse to contribute to the health care system but still use hospitals when you need them, $1000 a year (it is a yearly fine) is the very least you can contribute.
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"contribute" :lol:


See this government slavery **** is abhorrent.
 
WillRockwell said:
If you refuse to contribute to the health care system but still use hospitals when you need them, $1000 a year (it is a yearly fine) is the very least you can contribute.
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What about those on other health care plans that pay into those instead of UHC?

Why should they be fined because they use a different health care provider?
 
TheNextEra said:
What about those on other health care plans that pay into those instead of UHC?

Why should they be fined because they use a different health care provider?
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I don't think they are. Show otherwise.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
"contribute" :lol:


See this government slavery **** is abhorrent.
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Who will pay your hospital bill if someone (God forbid) attacks you with an axe handle and you don't have insurance. I'm still waiting for your answer.
 
WillRockwell said:
It's the taxpayer that "eats the cost" one way or the other. If you refuse to contribute to the health care system but still use hospitals when you need them, $1000 a year (it is a yearly fine) is the very least you can contribute.
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Well under this "genius" plan, why bother even having health insurance? Just pay a yearly fine of $1000 and you are good to go. That sounds like great business for everybody. If we can bankrupt the hospitals and insurance companies, that means we can have even more stimulus and bailouts. Yippie....
 
WI Crippler said:
Well under this "genius" plan, why bother even having health insurance? Just pay a yearly fine of $1000 and you are good to go. That sounds like great business for everybody. If we can bankrupt the hospitals and insurance companies, that means we can have even more stimulus and bailouts. Yippie....
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This rocks! :lol: :doh:roll:


I can hurt myself way more than 1k a year. :mrgreen:
 
WI Crippler said:
Well under this "genius" plan, why bother even having health insurance? Just pay a yearly fine of $1000 and you are good to go. That sounds like great business for everybody. If we can bankrupt the hospitals and insurance companies, that means we can have even more stimulus and bailouts. Yippie....
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Health care costs more than that, as you know. Or maybe you don't. Does your employer pay your health care? I pay my own for my family. It costs about $15,000 a year. I would appreciate a lower cost alternative, especially as we are rarely sick.
 
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