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Too many jobs lost, Obama says in AP interview

TheNextEra said:
Compared to the cost of living in the U.S., yes they are slave wages.
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I'm sorry you feel that way but you can't expect things to stay the same forever. U.S. workers aren't paid those wages so whats the big deal?

Trade skill wages are quite rewarding for individuals who want to take the time and learn to do those things.
 
Redress said:
So let me see if I understand the complaint here. Is it because Obama said something you agree with? Or is it because in this one interview he did not answer all your questions? Or is it just another excuse to bitch about the guy who kicked your guys ass in the election?
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My criticism here is clear and relevant.
Rather than attack me, how about addressing the issue itself.
 
Goobieman said:
For a time, perhaps.
But, my post stands - there's no question that cost of living is related to income. Income drops, so do prices.
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For a time? And how long is that time, 1 year, 2 years 10 years, 20 years.

You willing to sacrifice your own family for that?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm sorry you feel that way but you can't expect things to stay the same forever. U.S. workers aren't paid those wages so whats the big deal?

Trade skill wages are quite rewarding for individuals who want to take the time and learn to do those things.
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Ok so if someone was payed a wage of $1 an hour, you tell me how they can survive on that for their family.

What I was getting at is there are folks that say we should be willing to go that low just because some need work for that. That is wrong.

Why not being back child labor while we/re at it, I mean hey, what's best for the company and all right? :roll:
 
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TheNextEra said:
For a time? And how long is that time, 1 year, 2 years 10 years, 20 years.
You willing to sacrifice your own family for that?
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The funny thing here is that you think there's a choice in the matter -- the labor market is what it is, and all of your "well that sucks" does nothing to change it.

If you dont want your job outsourced, then get a job that can't be. That simple.
 
Goobieman said:
The funny thing here is that you think there's a choice in the matter -- the labor market is what it is, and all of your "well that sucks" does nothing to change it.

If you dont want your job outsourced, then get a job that can't be. That simple.
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I doubt you would feel that way if your family was on that plan you dream of and couldn't pay the rent, food, etc.
 
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TheNextEra said:
May your family experience the low wages you dream of.
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I'll take that as an admission that you have no resonable, supportable response to my point.
Fair enough.
 
TheNextEra said:
Ok so if someone was payed a wage of $1 an hour, you tell me how they can survive on that for their family.

What I was getting at is there are folks that say we should be willing to go that low just because some need work for that. That is wrong.

Why not being back child labor while we/re at it, I mean hey, what's best for the company and all right? :roll:
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Come on your better than that, you know that isn't what I was meaning.

Whats best for the company can be what is best for the individual.

If a company completely automates their manufacturing facilities, they putting hundreds of people to work as engineers, maintenance techs, quality control techs etc.

See all those I mentioned, not one person is unskilled. That is the labor market we are going to have to live with. We are moving away from unskilled labor to skilled labor.
 
Goobieman said:
My criticism here is clear and relevant.
Rather than attack me, how about addressing the issue itself.
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Actually, your criticism seemed to be that Obama did not address what you wanted him to in one interview. Boo hoo.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If a company completely automates their manufacturing facilities, they putting hundreds of people to work as engineers, maintenance techs, quality control techs etc.
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I remeber when the big cry was about robots replacing workers.
That's just another form of outsourcing.
Why would a company NOT automate jobs that can be automated?
And, doesnt doing so create a demand for jobs, in and of itself?
 
Redress said:
Actually, your criticism seemed to be that Obama did not address what you wanted him to in one interview. Boo hoo.
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Keep on thinking that. I wont lose any sleep.
 
Goobieman said:
Welcome to the global economy.
Like everyone and everything else, the American worker has to be competitive in that market, or he wont have a job.
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True. Wages will be continually driven down and working people will comprise a third world without borders.
 
faminedynasty said:
True. Wages will be continually driven down and working people will comprise a third world without borders.
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The free market is driven by human nature.
Not much you can do about that.

Don't want to have your job outsourced? Get one that cannot be.
 
TheNextEra said:
The Feudal System was also driven by human nature.
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I see you have, yet again, stopped trying to argue the relevant points in the discussion. Under the free market, everyone gets to participate in the exercise of human nature, rather than just those with power.

Don't want to have your job outsourced? Get one that cannot be.
 
Goobieman said:
Under the free market, everyone gets to participate in the exercise of human nature, rather than just those with power.
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Wrong, unregulated, only those with power get to participate and set the rules, just like the feudal system.

Make a situation desperate enough by those in power, people will sell their souls if they could.
 
TheNextEra said:
Wrong, unregulated, only those with power get to participate and set the rules
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Which is not what happens in the free market. Every price for every thing is set by the market as a whole, not by any person or small group of people. YOU have exactly the same amout of power as everyone else.

Don't want to have your job outsourced? Get one that cannot be.
 
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TheNextEra said:
And how is the American worker supposed to be competitive for the $1.00 an hour overseas that some get?
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If they can't stand the heat, they can get out of the foundry.

it's that easy.

Why should American consumers pay more for goods just because some "American" worker is demanding too much money to do the job here?

Why should American consumers pay more for goods just because his own government is demanding too much tax money from the company?

Why should American consumers pay more for a product just because The Messiah imposed a completely ridiculous Crap&Trade scam to bilk money from power companies which naturally raised energy costs for manufacturers in the US?

Why should a business being attacked on all sides by the US government and the goonions hire employees here when he can hire them in Bangladesh and no deal with the nonsense any more?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
If they can't stand the heat, they can get out of the foundry.
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And go where? On the streets? Die?

Seriously, Americans will go someplace and it will be on the streets, glad you approve of that.
 
TheNextEra said:
And go where? On the streets? Die?
Seriously, Americans will go someplace and it will be on the streets, glad you approve of that.
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Your complaints do nothing to change the situation.
Rather than voice your entitlement to live the way you want to, why dont you do something about the situation -- get a job that cannot be outsrouced.
 
TheNextEra said:
And go where? On the streets? Die?
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If they refuse to work, that's a more reasonable option than holding me up at gunpoint to feed them.

Then again, they could decide to work for less money.

They could have spent their lives learning something more useful that can't be outsourced.

Since the alternative is wreaking even more damage on the US economy, forging even more slave chains on the productive people, and in general shredding the little pieces of the Constitution that are still left, yes, outsourcing if a fine damn idea.


You have to ask yourself, why are companies outsourcing?

The answer is that the politicians you like, the policies you approve of, brought this country to this point.

Not my policies, yours. My policies say "don't tax business", "don't have government do for you what shouldn't be done at all", and "what, you crazy, trusting a politician?"
 
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Goobieman said:
Court 'moved ball' on racial hiring, Obama says - Yahoo! Finance

An ASTOUNDING observation, one that could only be made by someone with The Obama's supreme mental prowess.

So... what are you going to DO about it?

Spend more money?
Run up more deficits?
Print more money?
Raise taxes?
Further nationalize the auto industry?
Further nationalize the banking/financial industries?
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He made an interception and ran the wrong direction.

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Goobieman said:
Your complaints do nothing to change the situation.
Rather than voice your entitlement to live the way you want to, why dont you do something about the situation -- get a job that cannot be outsrouced.
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It's not about me. I have a secured and tangible financial future that I am not worried about. I am fine, and my family will be fine because of me.

My concern is with others, yes, I know that concept escapes a conservative obviously.

The fact is many conservatives seem concerned with "How do I get mine" and **** other Americans.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
If they refuse to work, that's a more reasonable option than holding me up at gunpoint to feed them.

Then again, they could decide to work for less money.

They could have spent their lives learning something more useful that can't be outsourced.

Since the alternative is wreaking even more damage on the US economy, forging even more slave chains on the productive people, and in general shredding the little pieces of the Constitution that are still left, yes, outsourcing if a fine damn idea.
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And tell me how someone that decides to work for $1 an hour survives?
 
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