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Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

If they aren't banning hydrocodone but removing the Tylenol that is in it, I don't see the big deal.

Are they thinking of banning Tylenol altogether? And what's wrong with Ibuprofen anyway?

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You're right, it only hurts tylenol. You can cut the dosage of the opiates with lots of other drugs - like ibuprofen.
 
This is a wee bit off topic, but anyone who, for whatever reason, is taking large doses of Tylenol or other medications with acetaminophen should be aware that there is some scientific evidence indicating that milk thistle can help protect against acetaminophen's hepatoxic effects.

Right, I take the milk thistle everyday because of drugs to relieve arthritis.

Good point.
 
Hey this makes a lot of sense, it's the bull**** filler we've been putting in the pills to deter abuse that's actually failing to deter anyone that leading to all these deaths.

They put way too much acetominophen in those opiods. It's a shame.
 
In other news, whiskey sales rise.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/health/01fda.html?em



Wow.

One would think that the immediate result of such a ban would be a spike in the use of Oxy and Hydrocodone.

Could be; however, most doctors are reluctant to give out pain killers that strong absent extreme exigent circumstances (broken bones, post surgical pain, ect ...)

Also ... Hydocodone is a generic form of Vicadin. So I would assume it would be banned with the Vicadin and the rest of its numerous generics and variants.

Since I know you don't believe anything I tell you, here is proof.

Hydrocodone Generic Name: hydrocodone and acetaminophen (a SEET a MIN oh fen and hye droe KOE done)

Brand names: Anexsia, Dolorex Forte, Hycet, Liquicet, Lorcet 10/650, Lorcet Plus, Lortab 10/500, Lortab 2.5/500, Lortab 5/500, Lortab 7.5/500, Lortab Elixir, Maxidone, Norco, Polygesic, Stagesic, Vicodin, Vicodin ES, Vicodin HP, Xodol, Xodol 5, Zydone


Link: Hydrocodone Information from Drugs.com



Oxycontin is expensive and difficult to obtain ... even when its use is warranted by a specific condition.

My guess is that Percoset will die and Pecodan (which contains Aspirin instead of Acetaminophen) will remain on the market.

It will likely be this product that is prescribed for pain.
 
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Could be; however, most doctors are reluctant to give out pain killers that strong absent extreme exigent circumstances (broken bones, post surgical pain, ect ...)

Also ... Hydocodone is a generic form of Vicadin. So I would assume it would be banned with the Vicadin and the rest of its numerous generics and variants.

Since I know you don't believe anything I tell you, here is proof.

Hydrocodone Generic Name: hydrocodone and acetaminophen (a SEET a MIN oh fen and hye droe KOE done)

Brand names: Anexsia, Dolorex Forte, Hycet, Liquicet, Lorcet 10/650, Lorcet Plus, Lortab 10/500, Lortab 2.5/500, Lortab 5/500, Lortab 7.5/500, Lortab Elixir, Maxidone, Norco, Polygesic, Stagesic, Vicodin, Vicodin ES, Vicodin HP, Xodol, Xodol 5, Zydone


Link: Hydrocodone Information from Drugs.com

Vicodin is a form of hydrocodone that contains acetaminophen.

Hydrocodone itself is a generic drug.
 
Vicodin is a form of hydrocodone that contains acetaminophen.

Hydrocodone itself is a generic drug.

My own personal experience is hydocodone isn't that strong. It doesn't help constant severe pain like for knee replacement, although that's what many doctor's give, and all that acetominophen is in MHO poisoning the liver's of those who need the stuff. I don't get why all that acetominophen is even permitted to be put in those drugs so heartily in the first place. I know it supposedly aids the hydrocodone in working, but tsk! tsk! they couldn't use ibuprophen, or something less deadly to the liver. The FDA is supposed to be the watchdog, but they are more like a snippy chihuahua.
 
My own personal experience is hydocodone isn't that strong. It doesn't help constant severe pain like for knee replacement, although that's what many doctor's give, and all that acetominophen is in MHO poisoning the liver's of those who need the stuff. I don't get why all that acetominophen is even permitted to be put in those drugs so heartily in the first place. I know it supposedly aids the hydrocodone in working, but tsk! tsk! they couldn't use ibuprophen, or something less deadly to the liver. The FDA is supposed to be the watchdog, but they are more like a snippy chihuahua.

They don't use ibuprofin because it doesn't do what acetaminophen does. If they could get the exact same effect without the liver toxicity, you don't think they'd be doing that?
 
They don't use ibuprofin because it doesn't do what acetaminophen does. If they could get the exact same effect without the liver toxicity, you don't think they'd be doing that?

What I'm not understanding is, your not supposed to take any of these drugs for any extended period of time.

Liver toxicity probably wouldn't develop if these drugs are not abused, so why bother banning them if it only affects the abusers?
 
I hope they plan on paying my parent's bills when my mom can't work any longer due to her pain meds being pulled.

Stupid ****ers. People should be informed of the risk and allowed to choose to accept it or not. We don't need the ****ing government barging in to "save" us all yet again.
 
They don't use ibuprofin because it doesn't do what acetaminophen does. If they could get the exact same effect without the liver toxicity, you don't think they'd be doing that?

Also, some people can't take Ibuprofen or similar drugs due to risk of bleeding.
 
They don't use ibuprofin because it doesn't do what acetaminophen does. If they could get the exact same effect without the liver toxicity, you don't think they'd be doing that?

Ok then what is vicoprofen? I've never been able to get tylenol to do anything for me. Also, if you look on the internet, there's a way to extract the hydrocodone from the acetominophen, it's called cold-water extraction method. Now why would anybody want to extract the tylenol if it makes the hydrocodone more effective? Seems like if it makes it more effective it would increase the buzz or whatever. Well, maybe not, but there's got to be a reason, and it just seems funny. I think that originally it was to make the maker's of tylenol rich, but it's just a guess. Cause it was brand name at first I'm pretty sure. I'm just guessing here, not an expert or anything.
 
Also, some people can't take Ibuprofen or similar drugs due to risk of bleeding.

This is true, but most people can, so why can't they push the vicoprofen, and those that have problems get the tylenol. My question is why so much tylenol? 250 mg. seems like plenty, but it's usually 500 or 650 mg.
 
What I'm not understanding is, your not supposed to take any of these drugs for any extended period of time.

Liver toxicity probably wouldn't develop if these drugs are not abused, so why bother banning them if it only affects the abusers?

To me abuse is when you go to several doctor's and get multiple rx's, and take like 40 pills a day. You can take lortabs for life if you follow the rules. Some people have long-term pain that will never go away.

Also, most people with long-term pain have to go to pain clinics and go thru drug testing, and they count your pills every visit, stuff like that.
 
To me abuse is when you go to several doctor's and get multiple rx's, and take like 40 pills a day. You can take lortabs for life if you follow the rules. Some people have long-term pain that will never go away.

Also, most people with long-term pain have to go to pain clinics and go thru drug testing, and they count your pills every visit, stuff like that.

I don't pretend to know what long term pain feels like and I hope to never experience it, however, I have someone is my family that has had over 60 surgeries in her short life (less than 30 years old).
A great many of those have been major and the after affects long lasting, she never takes anything for long term pain and only uses pain killers after a surgery has taken place.

It's hard for me to believe that there are that many people who need pain killers for long term pain and that it is most likely an addiction from short term usage.
 
To me abuse is when you go to several doctor's and get multiple rx's, and take like 40 pills a day. You can take lortabs for life if you follow the rules. Some people have long-term pain that will never go away.

Also, most people with long-term pain have to go to pain clinics and go thru drug testing, and they count your pills every visit, stuff like that.
And this has what to do with getting rid of these drugs? Sounds like an issue for investigating doctors, and not drug companies.
 
And this has what to do with getting rid of these drugs? Sounds like an issue for investigating doctors, and not drug companies.

I can see having some of the acetominophen reduced in these drugs, but the drugs themselves probably help a lot of people with terminal pain.
 
This is true, but most people can, so why can't they push the vicoprofen, and those that have problems get the tylenol. My question is why so much tylenol? 250 mg. seems like plenty, but it's usually 500 or 650 mg.

I can't say for sure, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that Ibuprofen interacts with a greater number of other drugs. I've taken both before and vicoprofen works very well as far as I'm concerned.
 
It's hard for me to believe that there are that many people who need pain killers for long term pain and that it is most likely an addiction from short term usage.


People living with pain on a daily basis will dispute that. As will physicians.

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I don't pretend to know what long term pain feels like and I hope to never experience it, however, I have someone is my family that has had over 60 surgeries in her short life (less than 30 years old).
A great many of those have been major and the after affects long lasting, she never takes anything for long term pain and only uses pain killers after a surgery has taken place.

It's hard for me to believe that there are that many people who need pain killers for long term pain and that it is most likely an addiction from short term usage.

You're thinking about acute pain in MHO. Chronic pain goes along with many diseases and there's nothing to take usually but opiods. MS, fibromyalgia, cancer, bulging discs, pinched nerves are just a few things that can cause chronic pain, and the older we get we pick up this stuff.

People can and do get addicted, you're right, I agree.
 
I can't say for sure, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that Ibuprofen interacts with a greater number of other drugs. I've taken both before and vicoprofen works very well as far as I'm concerned.

I was thinking the manufacturers of tylenol pushed it. Ibuprofen does cause bleeding, but MHO is why so much tylenol? I think tylenol lobbyied way back when and it stuck, even when it went generic.
 
IMHO, "vikes" do more harm than good, although my sentiment comes from an athletic standpoint. For horrible pain, opiates serve as an appeaser; steroidal epidurals are the only thing that can relieve extreme cases. But lets say you have some inflammation in your back, take 3 "tens" a day, and go about your business. Pain is the bodies way of saying leave me alone. Most of the people i know, who take "vikes" do it so that they can perform their daily activities. This is really a slippery slope, because once the drugs wear off, they are in even more pain than before, and are then reliant on taking a higher dose, which sometimes leads to taking oxy's, or dozens of "vikes" per day.

The best bet for temporary pain is rest. Letting your body heal without recreating inflammation is the key to a full recovery. Now if it is chronic pain, there are several steroidal options that can make life easier without the risk of opiate addiction. But this is just my opinion....
 
IMHO, "vikes" do more harm than good, although my sentiment comes from an athletic standpoint. For horrible pain, opiates serve as an appeaser; steroidal epidurals are the only thing that can relieve extreme cases. But lets say you have some inflammation in your back, take 3 "tens" a day, and go about your business. Pain is the bodies way of saying leave me alone. Most of the people i know, who take "vikes" do it so that they can perform their daily activities. This is really a slippery slope, because once the drugs wear off, they are in even more pain than before, and are then reliant on taking a higher dose, which sometimes leads to taking oxy's, or dozens of "vikes" per day.

The best bet for temporary pain is rest. Letting your body heal without recreating inflammation is the key to a full recovery. Now if it is chronic pain, there are several steroidal options that can make life easier without the risk of opiate addiction. But this is just my opinion....
You're so impressive with all your jargon. Vikes, tens..... :roll:
 
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