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Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

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The closed hearing, now in its eighth hour, is being held in an armory at Hancock Air Base in Syracuse. A four-member panel of officers will decide if Choi, a platoon leader with the famed 1-69th Infantry out of Manhattan, violated the federal statute that forbids gay and lesbian members of the military from serving openly or engaging in homosexual acts.

I asked my dad who served in Vietnam how he felt about the DADT policy. He told me that he believes its stupid and if they can kill the enemy it shouldnt matter.

Gay West Point grad testifies before Army | recordonline.com
 
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Ask your dad if he knowingly shared an open bay shower with a gay soldier. Ask him how he would have felt about that? Ask him if he would, "spoon", with an openly gay soldiers on a freezing cold night.

Can you debate the issue without going into sensationalism?
 
Can you debate the issue without going into sensationalism?

Just asking a fair question. I've yet to hear anyone that actually serves in an openly gay American army chime in on the subject.

All the opponents of DADT either served in the military 40 years ago, or never have and never will.

Let me ask you this, if it's ok for gay and straight soldiers to share billets, do you support male and female soldiers sharing billets, including open bay showers? Be honest.

What if a gay soldier makes a pass at a straight soldier in the latrine? Sexual harrassment? Intent to rape?

That's not sensationalism. That's reality.
 
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Ask your dad if he knowingly shared an open bay shower with a gay soldier. Ask him how he would have felt about that. Ask him if he would, "spoon", with an openly gay soldiers on a freezing cold night.

To think of all those delicate little flowers having to.....shudder.... allow a gay guy to see their jewels.

What if they didn't measure up? The horror. Oh, the horror!
 
To think of all those delicate little flowers having to.....shudder.... allow a gay guy to see their jewels.

What if they didn't measure up? The horror. Oh, the horror!

Do you think it's a good idea for males and females to share showers? It's a yes, or no question.
 
Ask your dad if he knowingly shared an open bay shower with a gay soldier. Ask him how he would have felt about that. Ask him if he would, "spoon", with an openly gay soldiers on a freezing cold night.

Who the hell cares? If people are more scared of another dude checking out their junk than they are of getting their head blown off in war, that's THEIR problem.
 
http://www.first.army.mil/eo/pdf/army_policy_sexual_harr.pdf

Welcome to the world of straight male soldiers reporting cases of sexual harrassment. The sexual harrassment rate in the military is going to go through the roof.

That was the claim when DADT was first implemented. Funnily enough, it did not happen. In fact, all the claims of doom and gloom because gays might be able to serve proved to be false.

Now, do you have any rational objections, or is it going to be all this horror story crap that reveals a lot of ignorance?
 
Where did you get the idea that gay people are all sex-crazed maniacs who can't keep their hands off straight males? Is this one of your fantasies, perhaps? :lol:

The couple gays I served with before DADT where pretty discreet actually. We all knew they where gay, and they did not really hide the fact, but they did not do anything to intentionally draw attention to the fact. The reaction of those of us who served and at times showered with them: who cares.
 
Who the hell cares? If people are more scared of another dude checking out their junk than they are of getting their head blown off in war, that's THEIR problem.

So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?


Where did you get the idea that gay people are all sex-crazed maniacs who can't keep their hands off straight males? Is this one of your fantasies, perhaps? :lol:


Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.

Save the homophobic crap for your private time.


That was the claim when DADT was first implemented. Funnily enough, it did not happen. In fact, all the claims of doom and gloom because gays might be able to serve proved to be false.

Like hell it didn't! You were never in the service after DADT, were you?
 
The couple gays I served with before DADT where pretty discreet actually. We all knew they where gay, and they did not really hide the fact, but they did not do anything to intentionally draw attention to the fact. The reaction of those of us who served and at times showered with them: who cares.

So, you speak for every serviceman out there? Glad to know it. That's a relief.
 
I suppose you'll point me to the section in that link that indicates gay on straight sexual harassment is or will be a problem?

That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.
 
So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?

You mean like does occasionally happen now, and has since women have served in the military on occasion? By the way, big clue here...a gay guy is not like a woman.



Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.

That is also not true. I went to a godawful number of training classes on sexual harassment, and opening doors for some one is not even close to qualifying.


Like hell it didn't! You were never in the service after DADT, were you?

Just missed it, but did stay in contact with some who where still in at the time. Now, since you are making this claim of drastic increase of sexual harassment, you will of course document that claim. Bet you cannot.
 
That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. In other words, you can't prove a negative. You learn that your first week of logic.

So basically, you admit that the link does nothing to further your case. Good. It can be summarily dismissed as the bunk it is.
 
That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.

He is not making any claim, you are. It's your responsibility to back up your claim.
 
So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?

If there are no other options, it would hardly be the end of the world. However, it's a lot easier and more practical to separate the men from the women than it is to separate the gays from the straights.

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Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.

Uhh
So you're worried that the sexual harrassment rate is going to go through the roof because gay men will open doors for straight men? :confused:
 
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That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.

It isn't a problem in any other military in the world that allows it. Nor is it a problem in American-based security units like Blackwater.
 
Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.

?

Just thought I'd check, but you aren't working on your boy scout hyperbole badge by any chance, are you?
 
So you're worried that the sexual harrassment rate is going to go through the roof because gay men will open doors for straight men? :confused:

I think that should constitute a thread win.
 
You mean like does occasionally happen now, and has since women have served in the military on occasion?

Gonna have to ask you to back that up with some solid evidence. I know how big you are on supporting docs.




That is also not true. I went to a godawful number of training classes on sexual harassment, and opening doors for some one is not even close to qualifying.

You musta been asleep, then.
 
He is not making any claim, you are. It's your responsibility to back up your claim.

Nope. You're making a claim that this won't be a problem. You're going to have to back that up. Don't forget the documentation of males and females regularly sharing showers. Can't wait for that one.
 
Apdst, are you worried about sexual harassment cases going through the roof because gay men will open doors for other men?
 
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