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Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

You should thank God for "hillbilly bigots". They keep the coast clear so you can log on to your computer and crusade for sodomoy all day. You think people with your mindset are trading fire with Hajji? There are a few, but you are in the minority. Hell, you couldn't even get Prop 8 passed in the most liberal state in the union. That should have been an indicator to you.

Oh thank you for "crusading for sodomy all day" on my behalf! If it wasn't for your heroic vigilance, an army of queers would undoubtedly be breaking into my apartment right now to rape me in the ass! :lol:
 
Ummm, the post was a response to a comparison that had been made between homosexuality and other "unnatural acts". And last time I checked, homosexuality involved grown men sodomizing each other.

So then you don't believe that soldiers should be discharged for being gay unless there is some actual proof of sodomy, right? :roll:

Do you have any idea how convoluted and ridiculous your logic is?
 
Um, hillbilly bigots

That's a racist term. Please don't use it anymore. Just saying, "bigots", would have made your point just as easily. Thank you.
 
So then you don't believe that soldiers should be discharged for being gay unless there is some actual proof of sodomy, right? :roll:

Do you have any idea how convoluted and ridiculous your logic is?

It's hard to hold a coherent argument together when your argument is ridiculous on its foundation and built on irrational feelings of "ZOMG teh gays do it in da buttz!"
 
That's a racist term. Please don't use it anymore. Just saying, "bigots", would have made your point just as easily. Thank you.

... Chosen because it had been used a few times. Emphasis and all. I would point out we have a nice pile of derogatory terms in this thread to choose from.

At the same time, nod. It is bad form.

You still haven't answered my question.
 
... Chosen because it had been used a few times. Emphasis and all. I would point out we have a nice pile of derogatory terms in this thread to choose from.

At the same time, nod. It is bad form.

You still haven't answered my question.


yessir, there are plenty. You'll notice that none of them were posted by me. I don't believe in using any of those terms, not even to make a point. Anyone that can't illustrate his point without that type of terminology is probably too stupid to have a point, to begin with. I don't think you fall into that category.
 
If you link was to prove something, it proved that there is a larger percentage of southerners filling the ranks of the military than any other regional democgraphic. Also, there are more rural soldier soldiers than urban soldiers making up the ranks. I guess there are more, "hillbillies", than you thought.

So what were you objecting to? The use of hillbilly or bigot?

Check the racial breakdown. While males are certainly not the common thread, and unless I am wrong, that is kinda implied by "HB".
 
So what were you objecting to? The use of hillbilly or bigot?

Check the racial breakdown. While males are certainly not the common thread, and unless I am wrong, that is kinda implied by "HB".

Southerners make up the largest single demographic in the US military--as has been the case througout our history. I understood you to mean, with the posting of your link, that that wasn't the case.
 
You are right on the southerners thing. These days, that makes for a lot of black and hispanic kids.

Just for the record, I am a white guy from a 14 generation southern military family.

Thank you for your service.

What country did the first 8 generations come from?
 
That's a racist term. Please don't use it anymore. Just saying, "bigots", would have made your point just as easily. Thank you.
As a hillbilly, I take issue with the fact that you seem to think 'hillbilly' is more offensive than 'bigot'.

:2razz:
 
As a hillbilly, I take issue with the fact that you seem to think 'hillbilly' is more offensive than 'bigot'.

:2razz:

I believe the two words used together are offensive, as if there's only a such thing as a hillbilly bigot. Would you agree that other people, rural southron folk can be bigots, or are we the only ones?
 
It's hard to hold a coherent argument together when your argument is ridiculous on its foundation and built on irrational feelings of "ZOMG teh gays do it in da buttz!"
I'm just pointing out the types of people that you liberals hold so dearly to your hearts.
 
I believe the two words used together are offensive, as if there's only a such thing as a hillbilly bigot. Would you agree that other people, rural southron folk can be bigots, or are we the only ones?

Hillbilly bigot is distinctive from northern bigot. Or urban bigot. Or black bigot. Or whatever. I don't see hillbilly used as such as doing anything but speculating about someone's heritage.

I was only half serious though. I mean, I DO find it kind of odd that you objected to the use of the word hillbilly (which I attribute to hill folks such as myself from WV, KY, TN, etc), but I was not so bothered by it that I would make a serious issue out of it.
 
Hillbilly bigot is distinctive from northern bigot. Or urban bigot. Or black bigot. Or whatever. I don't see hillbilly used as such as doing anything but speculating about someone's heritage.

I was only half serious though. I mean, I DO find it kind of odd that you objected to the use of the word hillbilly (which I attribute to hill folks such as myself from WV, KY, TN, etc), but I was not so bothered by it that I would make a serious issue out of it.

I object on a matter of principle.
 
That logic is beyond flawed. No, I didn't "choose" to be straight. You think that just because one sexual orientation is natural that the other must be as well?

How about pedophiles? When did they choose to like kids? And if it is something that they don't choose(which many believe this is the case), shouldn't they have equal rights?
No, they're touching a child against a child's will. If two gay men decide to have a relationship, they are old enough to understand the ramifications and are two willing parties in the endeavor. Molesting a child is hardly the same. Nice try, though.
 
Yeah cuz I'm just a big ole flamin' liberal. :doh
Eh, he's already shown that he struggles to understand simple concepts. I guess he thinks that "centrist" = "liberal". Of course, anyone who is not a social conservative is a commie left-winger. ;)
 
As the thread degenerates into short sentences of derisive commentary let me just add this. All of us in the military have a lot of rules about what we can say to whom about sexuality. No-one but the homos want to be able to run around saying "I'm a homo". All we're asking is that they abide the same sexual harassment rules as everyone else! For instance if a male hetero is walking around saying "I'm a hetero" over and over again in the womens barracks, he will be pounding the pavement looking for a new job. If he says to a fellow male soldier "You're a homo", or even, "Are you a homo?", he could suffer the same fate. Just shut up! Is that too much to ask.
 
As the thread degenerates into short sentences of derisive commentary let me just add this. All of us in the military have a lot of rules about what we can say to whom about sexuality. No-one but the homos want to be able to run around saying "I'm a homo". All we're asking is that they abide the same sexual harassment rules as everyone else! For instance if a male hetero is walking around saying "I'm a hetero" over and over again in the womens barracks, he will be pounding the pavement looking for a new job. If he says to a fellow male soldier "You're a homo", or even, "Are you a homo?", he could suffer the same fate. Just shut up! Is that too much to ask.

Yeah, it is too much to ask. I love this whole "don't put it in my face because I don't put it in yours" argument we hear all the time. It's a bull**** argument at it's foundation because all heteros ever do is announce how hetero they are. They hold hands ("We're heteros!!!"), the show affection (We're heteros!!!!), they announce their marriages in the papers (Hey, world!!! We're heteros!!!), they have an expectation of acceptance of their husbands and wives (Hey, love my fellow hetero, too!!!!), they have their Valentine's Days (Hallmark recognize us heteros!!!!), they have their weddings (Bring us gifts because we're heteros!!!!), their babyshowers (We made babehz like good heteros!!!!), etc, etc, etc.

And you want someone to either not serve their country or serve their country in silence and shame using the argument that we should just "shut up"?

Fvck. That.
 
Yeah, it is too much to ask. I love this whole "don't put it in my face because I don't put it in yours" argument we hear all the time. It's a bull**** argument at it's foundation because all heteros ever do is announce how hetero they are. They hold hands ("We're heteros!!!"), the show affection (We're heteros!!!!), they announce their marriages in the papers (Hey, world!!! We're heteros!!!), they have an expectation of acceptance of their husbands and wives (Hey, love my fellow hetero, too!!!!), they have their Valentine's Days (Hallmark recognize us heteros!!!!), they have their weddings (Bring us gifts because we're heteros!!!!), their babyshowers (We made babehz like good heteros!!!!), etc, etc, etc.

And you want someone to either not serve their country or serve their country in silence and shame using the argument that we should just "shut up"?

Fvck. That.

Not to mention there are some that think gays should keep private what they do in the bedroom, yet in the military I remember guys talked about their own sex life MANY times. How is that keeping it in the bedroom?
 
No, they're touching a child against a child's will. If two gay men decide to have a relationship, they are old enough to understand the ramifications and are two willing parties in the endeavor. Molesting a child is hardly the same. Nice try, though.
Nice try at oversimplifying something to make me seem like an idiot. Obviously i was making a point that not every sexual orientation is natural, and there have been studies that show pedophiles cannot help their attraction to children. If it makes you feel smart to belittle my intelligence, feel free. i won't lose any sleep over it.
 
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