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Washington to California: Drop dead

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I'm very glad, not just for the rest of the nation's sake, but for California's. If the feds were to bail out California the problem would not be solved. The hole would still exist, but it would get paved over by the feds. Going without assistance forces California to deal with the long term issue they've created for themselves.
 
Hopefully this forces California to make the necessary cuts. I know how they can immediately trim off a fifth of that debt. Cut off illegals, that is 4-5 billion dollars saved.
 
Friggin' Democrats.

What's their complaint about California?

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, the chairwoman of the state’s 33-member Democratic delegation, said California’s budget quagmire is largely a result of structural process in the budget process: It takes a two-thirds majority in both houses of the state legislature to pass a budget or raise taxes, which effectively means that no one can do anything unless majority Democrats, minority Republicans and the state’s Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, agree.

According to those maggots, the problem California has is that the politicians can't raise taxes faster than they can spend money.

Californians are taxed more than anyone else in the entire country.

Low taxes aren't the problem here.
 
Now, the first thing California should do, as Jamesrage said, is turn off all money going to invaders. They're a federal problem, not the state's problem. Invasion is a violation of federal law.

The next thing California should do is examine it's budget and see where it's spending state money to comply with mandates from the federal government that the feds aren't paying for.

Stop spending money there.

Then, California should just stop spending money on people who will not work, there's other states those people can move to. I recommend Illinois.

California should also make state parks a revenue neutral proposition, by making visitors to those parks pay what they're costing the state to run, if the thought of privatizing them is wetting too many panties.

Then there's all the "commissions" that cost so much money and impede so much growth but provide handy sinecures for policians and their buds. Dump them.

Oh, and lower the damn taxes in the state. That's the best way to ensure tax revenues rise.
 
Now, the first thing California should do, as Jamesrage said, is turn off all money going to invaders. They're a federal problem, not the state's problem. Invasion is a violation of federal law.

That needs to be looked at carefully as cutting these people off could shutdown California's $31 billion a year Agricultural industry. It's estimated that 2/3 of the workers in the industry are immigrants, with the majority being illegal.

Then, California should just stop spending money on people who will not work, there's other states those people can move to. I recommend Illinois.
They should move the the hell hole that is Utah. :2razz:

California should also make state parks a revenue neutral proposition, by making visitors to those parks pay what they're costing the state to run, if the thought of privatizing them is wetting too many panties.
I don't agree with this at all. I shouldn't have to pay an entrance fee to enter the park on the corner.
 
Give it to Mexico
 
That needs to be looked at carefully as cutting these people off could shutdown California's $31 billion a year Agricultural industry. It's estimated that 2/3 of the workers in the industry are immigrants, with the majority being illegal.


The illegals are going to leave because they don't get entitlements anymore? I doubt that.
 
The illegals are going to leave because they don't get entitlements anymore? I doubt that.

I'm sure you do. That doesn't make it reality though.

What needs to be done is these people should either be given work visa's so they can contribute to paying taxes and help lead them to citizenship or the current unemployed market should be tapped to replace the illegal workers.
 
Hopefully this forces California to make the necessary cuts. I know how they can immediately trim off a fifth of that debt. Cut off illegals, that is 4-5 billion dollars saved.

Another step would be for the Governor to call for a moratorium on the death penalty. That would save additional billions.
 
I'm sure you do. That doesn't make it reality though.

What needs to be done is these people should either be given work visa's so they can contribute to paying taxes and help lead them to citizenship or the current unemployed market should be tapped to replace the illegal workers.

That's the last thing that needs to happen. You are aware that the unemployment rate in this country is bumping 10%? What is adding an addition 15 million+ workers to the workforce going to do to remedy that?
 
Another step would be for the Governor to call for a moratorium on the death penalty. That would save additional billions.

Are you suggesting that halting the death penalty will save the state money?
 
Are you suggesting that halting the death penalty will save the state money?

It might, if you calculate in all the costs spent when criminals sentenced to such constantly appeal it.
 
It might, if you calculate in all the costs spent when criminals sentenced to such constantly appeal it.

So, instead, we have to support them for the rest of their lives?

I think a better solution would be to actually execute those prisoners on death row and Cali could save bllions right away.
 
That needs to be looked at carefully as cutting these people off could shutdown California's $31 billion a year Agricultural industry. It's estimated that 2/3 of the workers in the industry are immigrants, with the majority being illegal.

What part of "illegal" escapes your comprehension?

If agribusiness wants berry pickers, it can hire US citizens or legal immigrants, not invaders.

I don't agree with this at all. I shouldn't have to pay an entrance fee to enter the park on the corner.

1) Is the state funding your park? No? Then it's not an issue.

2) Why shouldn't you pay a fee to use the park, instead of taxing people who aren't using it to keep it up?
 
It might, if you calculate in all the costs spent when criminals sentenced to such constantly appeal it.

Limit the number of appeals, and pull the trigger when the appeals run out, saving tons of money, but nothing more than a drop in the bucket of California's spending problem.
 
Limit the number of appeals, and pull the trigger when the appeals run out, saving tons of money, but nothing more than a drop in the bucket of California's spending problem.

Very likely true.

It will be interesting to see how they fix this.
 
That's the last thing that needs to happen. You are aware that the unemployment rate in this country is bumping 10%? What is adding an addition 15 million+ workers to the workforce going to do to remedy that?

You have a primitive understanding of economics. More jobs will open up with all those people entering the economy.
 
You have a primitive understanding of economics. More jobs will open up with all those people entering the economy.

How is the addition of more workers to the job market going to create more jobs? If that were the case, then there would be no such thing as unemployment.
 
You have a primitive understanding of economics. More jobs will open up with all those people entering the economy.

if they are HERE, they are already IN the economy....right?
 
It is unfortunate that the Governor and State Legislature will not do the job they were all sent there to do. They all fear the unions and will not take the action required to make the state Government more efficient with less as businesses are forced to do when times are hard. Everyone knows and can tell of examples they have witnessed of poor and or slow performance from state employees from the lowest positions to the highest. And if you complain you're talking to another over payed under worked molly coddled person who hasn't done an honest days work in more years than you can count.
Add to this the stupid reduction of water to the greatest farming area in the whole world to save a fish with no appreciable identifiable value the Delta Smelt and you get a prescription to massively reduce food production, increase food costs nation wide, cause job losses and reduce taxes taken in by the state because sales to farmers for a myriad of products used in the production of all crops will be hit hard. Add to this income taxes both sTate and Federal will be negatively impacted.
So what does this have to do with Washington saying Drop Dead? Simple it means California is on the edge of desperation with little hope of a good outcome because of fear and partisan politics. Couple the State's ills with the new Cap in Trade, threat to any economic recovery and it almost reaches a level of destruction that is close to Biblical proportions.
It's time for someone with the welfare of the state as a whole to take initiative and present a set of plans that will exclude partisan nonsense and put it to the people to either vote it up or down and tell them the consequences if they don't act. I would include in that vote that if you vote in favor of a viable plan you are also recalling you representative at the same time. A no vote would recall the Governor.
A Balanced Budget without massive hardship on the whole State is possible with a little thought and planning. Hell I know it can be done from personal experience balancing multimillion dollar budgets for years. We Californians are in need of sound leadership that is no longer there for the party but is there for the people and that will honor the oath of office they all took but seem to forget when they show up for work.
 
How is the addition of more workers to the job market going to create more jobs? If that were the case, then there would be no such thing as unemployment.

You're right, there is no such thing as involuntary unemployment unless the government intrudes.
 
if they are HERE, they are already IN the economy....right?

Yes, but there are barriers to entry, most importantly is minimum wage. If they are not worth minimum wage, then they will have to work long hours and many will not be employed. It's as simple as that.
 
That's the last thing that needs to happen. You are aware that the unemployment rate in this country is bumping 10%? What is adding an addition 15 million+ workers to the workforce going to do to remedy that?

They are already working. They are just able to evade the taxes that go along with working.

What is the negative of taxing an already established work force that is currently not paying taxes?
 
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