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Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has ruled that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/29/business/AP-US-SupremeCourt-Fire.html?_r=1

I hope they ask Sotomayor what she thinks about this reversal because I am curious how she reacts when she's reversed.

No surprise about the 5-4 ruling with Kennedy being the swing vote.
 
I should point out that while I am a liberal, I support this decision (although I need to read the whole thing).
 
I should point out that while I am a liberal, I support this decision (although I need to read the whole thing).

My question, in light of this decision, is whether Sotomayor made her ruling colored by emotion rather than by the law. If this is the case, then she should not be confirmed.
 
My question, in light of this decision, is whether Sotomayor made her ruling colored by emotion rather than by the law. If this is the case, then she should not be confirmed.

The fact that it's a 5-4 ruling would indicate that her ruling isn't all that "wrong." I'd be concerned if it was a 9-0 or 8-1 ruling. So her ruling must have some basis in law.
 
The decision was definitely solid

Source [Supreme Court of the United States | RICCI ET AL. v. DESTEFANO ET AL. (PDF Direct Link)]

New Haven, Conn. (City), uses objective examinations to identify thosefirefighters best qualified for promotion. When the results of such an exam to fill vacant lieutenant and captain positions showed thatwhite candidates had outperformed minority candidates, a rancorouspublic debate ensued. Confronted with arguments both for and against certifying the test results—and threats of a lawsuit eitherway—the City threw out the results based on the statistical racial disparity. Petitioners, white and Hispanic firefighters who passedthe exams but were denied a chance at promotions by the City’s re-fusal to certify the test results, sued the City and respondent officials,alleging that discarding the test results discriminated against thembased on their race in violation of, inter alia, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The defendants responded that had they certifiedthe test results, they could have faced Title VII liability for adoptinga practice having a disparate impact on minority firefighters. The District Court granted summary

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Under Title VII, before an employer can engage in intentionaldiscrimination for the asserted purpose of avoiding or remedying an unintentional, disparate impact, the employer must have a strong basis in evidence to believe it will be subject to disparate-impact li-ability if it fails to take the race-conscious, discriminatory action. The Court’s analysis begins with the premise that the City’s actions

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The racial adverse impact in this litigation was significant, and petitioners do not dispute that the City was faced with a primafacie case of disparate-impact liability. The problem for respondentsis that such a prima facie case—essentially, a threshold showing of a significant statistical disparity, Connecticut v. Teal, 457 U. S. 440, 446, and nothing more—is far from a strong basis in evidence thatthe City would have been liable under Title VII had it certified thetest results. That is because the City could be liable for disparate-impact discrimination only if the exams at issue were not job relatedand consistent with business necessity, or if there existed an equallyvalid, less discriminatory alternative that served the City’s needs but that the City refused to adopt. §§2000e–2(k)(1)(A), (C). Based on the record the parties developed through discovery, there is no substan-tial basis in evidence that the test was deficient in either respect. Pp. 26–28.
(ii)

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Respondents also lack a strong basis in evidence showing an equally valid, less discriminatory testing alternative that the City, bycertifying the test results, would necessarily have refused to adopt.Respondents’ three arguments to the contrary all fail.

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Fear of litigation alone cannot justify the City’s reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations andqualified for promotions. Discarding the test results was impermis-sible under Title VII, and summary judgment is appropriate for peti-tioners on their disparate-treatment claim. If, after it certifies the test results, the City faces a disparate-impact suit, then in light of today’s holding the City can avoid disparate-impact liability based onthe strong basis in evidence that, had it not certified the results, it would have been subject to disparate-treatment liability

That's the meat of the decision, and the bolded section is, IMO, the most important bit. It sets a firm standard that qualifications matter and race doesn't. Discriminating against one party because you're afraid of a lawsuit from another is unacceptable
 
I hope they ask Sotomayor what she thinks about this reversal because I am curious how she reacts when she's reversed.

No surprise about the 5-4 ruling with Kennedy being the swing vote.
I am more interested in her explanation of why she sought to dispose of the matter with a perfunctory summary opinion that ignored every issue in the case.

That is her most grievous error in the Ricci case--that she utterly failed to do what appellate judges are supposed to do: interpret the law.
 
The fact that it's a 5-4 ruling would indicate that her ruling isn't all that "wrong." I'd be concerned if it was a 9-0 or 8-1 ruling. So her ruling must have some basis in law.
You would think so....but how much law can one paragraph contain?

5-4 with a dissenting opinion makes one aspect of this case a certainty: there were substantial matters of the law to be considered.

Sotomayer's one-paragraph summary opinion ignored all of them.
 
I've not read the entire ruling. Let alone do I fully understand the legal issues or legalize with which it is written. However, the thing that jumps out at me. Is that the dissenting opinion goes to great lengths to use past discrimination to justify tossing the test results. It also seems to suggest that by whatever means necessary. Public employment should reflect the racial diversity of its citizenry. So if the population is 60% black. Then 60% of public employees should also be black. How is using race to justify employment. Fair and equal treatment under the law? I also don't like the fact that they said that second and third generation firefighters had an unfair advantage over first generation minorities. That this advantage was racial in nature. So much for hard work and dedication.
 
Just think, if she was already confirmed, it would have been the other way.


Scary.
 
My question, in light of this decision, is whether Sotomayor made her ruling colored by emotion rather than by the law. If this is the case, then she should not be confirmed.
I thought she was better equipped to rule on these issues than white justices.
:confused:
 
Good ruling, this should sink her confirmation and Obama will be forced to pick a centrist judge.

LMAO! Sink her confirmation? Are you serious?

Puleeeeeeeze, chevydriver. Come back to reality, will you?
 
What bugs me about this is that if she didn't think her rich experiences as a latino woman made her so wise she may have actually made the right choice. This proves that her stance on race issues is completely biased.
 
Top Court Rules for Firefighters On Exam

In a 5-4 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of New Haven's firefighters who had been denied a promotion after passing a promotion examination. CNBC reported:

The Supreme Court has ruled that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision.

Top Court Rules for Firefighters On Exam - Law and Regulation * US * News * Story - CNBC.com

The opinion can be found at: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-1428.pdf
 
High Court Rules for White Firefighters in Discrimination Suit

The Supreme Court today narrowly ruled in favor of white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., who said they were denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision by Judge Sonia Sotomayor and others that had come to play a large role in the consideration of her nomination for the high court.

The city had thrown out the results of a promotion test because no African Americans and only two Hispanics would have qualified for promotions. It said it feared a lawsuit from minorities under federal laws that said such "disparate impacts" on test results could be used to show discrimination.

In effect, the court was deciding when avoiding potential discrimination against one group amounted to actual discrimination against another.

The court's conservative majority said in a 5 to 4 vote that is what happened in New Haven.

"Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions," wrote Justice Anthony M. Kennedy.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the liberals on the court and said the decision knocks the pegs from Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

She read her dissent from the bench for emphasis. "Congress endeavored to promote equal opportunity in fact, and not simply in form," she said. "The damage today's decision does to that objective is untold."

The Washington Post

Awesome! This was a clear case of racial discrimination plain and simple. It annoys me that the Supreme Court only came to a 5 to 4 decision on this. How anyone could suggest that these firefighters weren't denied their promotions based on their race is beyond me. Ginsburg reasoning in her dissent defies logic. We are not promoting equal opportunity by denying more qualified people a job they rightly deserve. Furthermore, we are talking about firefighters. These are men who responsible for peoples' lives. Do we really want less qualified firemen in control? That flies in the face of common sense.
 
Re: High Court Rules for White Firefighters in Discrimination Suit

As I understand it, firefighting is a not only a male dominated profession, it's also a white dominated profession.

I think it may have to do with Irish settlers manning the first fire stations? I have nothing but a fleeting memory of a long ago modern marvels to go on, so if someone has contrary information I stand corrected.
 
How a Judge rules before getting a job in the Supreme court is not 100% accurate in how they will judge in the Supreme court where the tradition,heritage, history, and power of the Supreme court will humble even the most extreme views.
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Yeah, she's have to recuse herself, and it would a tie, right?

What a fascinating scenario that would have been. If it was a tie.....RightatNYU, remind me, the appeals court decision then stands, yes? (I'm too lazy to look it up.)
 
My question, in light of this decision, is whether Sotomayor made her ruling colored by emotion rather than by the law. If this is the case, then she should not be confirmed.

She's already stated that her race will bring something extra to the table, so it's easy to see that she's going to base here rulings on race rather than the rule of law.
 
Good ruling, this should sink her confirmation and Obama will be forced to pick a centrist judge.

So you are saying because she had a ruling overturned then she cant be confirmed?

Then that means Alito and Roberts are not on the court?
 
So you are saying because she had a ruling overturned then she cant be confirmed?

Then that means Alito and Roberts are not on the court?
No Petey, they got confirmed.
 
White firefighters win Supreme Court appeal

White firefighters win Supreme Court appeal - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide and make it harder to prove discrimination when there is no evidence it was intentional.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.

Sotomayor is over turned again. She has been shown in her own words to a racist. This is not going to help her confirmation to the Supreme Court.
 
Re: White firefighters win Supreme Court appeal

White firefighters win Supreme Court appeal - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide and make it harder to prove discrimination when there is no evidence it was intentional.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.

Sotomayor is over turned again. She has been shown in her own words to a racist. This is not going to help her confirmation to the Supreme Court.

The sad part about this news is that it was a 5-4 decision. It's a shame that 4 Supreme Court justices still think they should legislate instead of interpret.

Sotomayer will fit right in with the Liberuls on the court. :cool:
 
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