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Iranian authorities arrest eight British embassy employees in Tehran

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Iranian authorities arrest eight British embassy employees in Tehran
By Borzou Daragahi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
5:15 AM PDT, June 28, 2009

Dubai, United Arab Emirates -- Iranian authorities arrested eight local employees of the British embassy in Tehran, accusing them of "playing major parts" in the recent unrest over a presidential election, the semi-official Fars news agency reported today. The move comes amid deteriorating relations between Iran and the West in the wake of a crackdown against Iranians opposed to the reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Though the atmosphere in Tehran's streets has calmed, the aftershocks of the disputed election continue. All eight British embassy employees arrested were members of its political section. Authorities with a search warrant detained at least one of the embassy staffers at his home Saturday morning. Authorities brought him back to his apartment later in the evening and seized computers and documents. British foreign secretary David Miliband condemned what he described as the arrest and continued detention of "hardworking" embassy staff. "This is harassment and intimidation of a kind that is quite unacceptable," he said in a BBC interview. "We want to see (them) released unharmed."

Iranian authorities have also targeted local staffers of the United Nations. At least one was arrested after she was photographed flashing a supportive "V" signal with her fingers during a rally in support of Ahmadinejad's challenger, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, in front of the U.N.'s Tehran offices.
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Source: LATimes.com

Yet another example of Iranian repression emerges.
 
And Obama policy is to sit down and negotiate with such people!

What a massive misjudgement - a bit like his election by the short sighted Dems in the US.
 
lunecat said:
And Obama policy is to sit down and negotiate with such people!

What a massive misjudgement - a bit like his election by the short sighted Dems in the US.
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And what would you have Obama do, invade Iran?

What's worse is some Republicans and conservatives are just using this as a means to attack the president. That's what is really sad.
 
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TheNextEra said:
And what would you have Obama do, invade Iran?

What's worse is some Republicans and conservatives are just using this as a means to attack the president. That's what is really sad.
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Yes we should be going into Iran, Mr. Obama is showing the World how much he lacks in a Backbone.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Yes we should be going into Iran, Mr. Obama is showing the World how much he lacks in a Backbone.
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With what money?
What troops?

We are already in two countries, economy ruined, lacking money and we should invade a third country?

You are nuts.

And on OP: I wonder how Britain will respond to this open challenge ....
 
lunecat said:
And Obama policy is to sit down and negotiate with such people!

What a massive misjudgement - a bit like his election by the short sighted Dems in the US.
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If Dear Leader were willing to "negotiate", he'd be on the right track.

All Dear Leader wants to do is "talk". All Dear Leader wants to do is rebuild relations.

There is a difference. Negotiation proceeds from a discrete agenda: both sides state with specificity what they want and what they must have; both sides state with specificity what they are prepared to do and to give up to get what they want and what they must have. Talking and normalizing relations involves seeking common ground and common agendas.

Negotiation with an illegitimate regime such as the Islamic Republic is merely the acknowledgment of reality. Good or bad, one deals with the governments that exist, not with the governments that should exist.

Talks are not negotiations. Talks are a validation of the government that exists. Talks are the implication that the government which does exist, should exist.

With the Islamic Republic, there is nothing to talk about. The United States has no common ground with such evil, and should not seek any common ground with such evil. The United States should have no compunction about describing the Islamic Republic and the brutality of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad as evil.

One can "negotiate" with evil; one must never "talk" with evil.

The diplomatic failure of Dear Leader is made abundantly clear in his statements on Iran: he is a great talker, but a poor negotiator.
 
TheNextEra said:
And what would you have Obama do, invade Iran?
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It's possible that PBO will start having to get used to the fact that he'll be bound to support a British attack on Iran.

What's worse is some Republicans and conservatives are just using this as a means to attack the president. That's what is really sad.
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We're showing Obama the same respect and courtesy that the Liberals showed Bush for 8 years. Actually, we're shoing Obama more respect and courtesy.
 
Laila said:
With what money?
What troops?

We are already in two countries, economy ruined, lacking money and we should invade a third country?

You are nuts.

And on OP: I wonder how Britain will respond to this open challenge ....
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Laili you have no idea about warfare, we already have a Large Mite Force near the Iran/Iraq border that could go in and out with-in hours they(Iranian Military) wouldn't know what hit them. Also we have TAC Bombers in the Gulf that could take out anything and everything on the ground just enough damage to give the Freedom Fighters on the ground to move against the Illegal Iranian Govn.
 
Oh, man, I just love this.

An invasion of Iran would accomplish these things:

1) Unite most of the Iranian people against us
2) Throw the entire nation into chaos and anarchy
3) Kill thousands of our troops
4) Destroy our ability to accomplish in anything in Iraq or Afhganistan by stretching our military past the breaking point
5) Run our already huge deficit so far into the red that our currency becomes worthless
6) Completely bankrupt us as a nation
7) Make us even more of a laughing stock than we are now
8a) Result in an even worse regime taking over in Iran, since when the dust settles basically the guy with the most guns will win OR
8b) Result in a regime of our choosing being installed, which will be ignored and ridiculed as being our puppet until it is destroyed from within
9) Undo everything the opposition is trying to do in Iran
10) Leave us wide open to the kind of assaults at home that W was supposedly protecting us from

In other words, if we go into Iran we will screw the Iranian people and ourselves.

I want the bloodshed to end as well, but if we want the situation to improve we have to let them work it out on their own.

How is it that almost nobody on this entire board actually understands that?
 
TacticalEvilDan;1058108[COLOR="Blue" said:
800]Oh, man, I just love this.

An invasion of Iran would accomplish these things:

1) Unite most of the Iranian people against us
Nope we wouldn't be in thier that long just long enough to give the Freedom Fighter a fighting chance
2) Throw the entire nation into chaos and anarchy
It already is or have you missed that
3) Kill thousands of our troops
Nope as a matter of fact if we use the right Mite Force and TAC Support our Caus would be less then .5%
4) Destroy our ability to accomplish in anything in Iraq or Afhganistan by stretching our military past the breaking point
Nope you seem not to understand todays warfare
5) Run our already huge deficit so far into the red that our currency becomes worthless
Money doesn't matter if it did then we wouldn't do allot of things because of money
6) Completely bankrupt us as a nation
Prove It
7) Make us even more of a laughing stock than we are now
To who? All the Left Wing Jackasses of the World?
8a) Result in an even worse regime taking over in Iran, since when the dust settles basically the guy with the most guns will win OR
8b) Result in a regime of our choosing being installed, which will be ignored and ridiculed as being our puppet until it is destroyed from within
Neither all wee would do is take out certain Military Assets to help the Freedom Fighters
9) Undo everything the opposition is trying to do in Iran
Wrong very Wrong your Naviaty is now showing
10) Leave us wide open to the kind of assaults at home that W was supposedly protecting us from
Once again you don't know what the **** your talking about nice try

In other words, if we go into Iran we will screw the Iranian people and ourselves.
No we help the Freedom fighter plain and simple
I want the bloodshed to end as well, but if we want the situation to improve we have to let them work it out on their own.
Not as long as they(freedom Fighters) don't have the support they need both verbal and Armed

How is it that almost nobody on this entire board actually understands that?
Hmmm I think you might need to go and re-read the board most of us are calling for Mr. Obama to do something once again nice try care to go for Double jeapardy where the answer are harder
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Scorpion89 said:
My answer in Blue
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Errr.....one question.

What "freedom fighters"?

They're protesters now, they were rioters last week. They are not fighting for anything at the moment, let alone freedom.

What "freedom fighters"?
 
celticlord said:
Errr.....one question.

What "freedom fighters"?

They're protesters now, they were rioters last week. They are not fighting for anything at the moment, let alone freedom.

What "freedom fighters"?
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They are fighting for their right to be Free correct they did vote hence anyone who has taken tot he Streets calling on the Govn. to throw out the election our Freedom Fighters.
 
Scorpion89 said:
My answer in Blue
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It'd be great if you'd just use the quote function, when you don't it makes it harder to respond to your points on an as-per basis.

Here:

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
1) Unite most of the Iranian people against us
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Nope we wouldn't be in thier that long just long enough to give the Freedom Fighter a fighting chance
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You mean like we were there just long enough to give:

1) South Vietnam
2) South Korea
3) Iraq
4) Afghanistan

a fighting chance?

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
2) Throw the entire nation into chaos and anarchy
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It already is or have you missed that
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If you seriously think that's chaos and anarchy, you haven't seen it yet. If we go in there, it will get worse. Every single corner, every basement, every rooftop, every vehicle will conceal Iranians lying in wait to destroy the invaders (in other words, *US*). Every single street will become a killing zone, every single disabled vehicle and wounded person and child's toy a death trap.

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
3) Kill thousands of our troops
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Nope as a matter of fact if we use the right Mite Force and TAC Support our Caus would be less then .5%
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Just like we're using the right forces in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
4) Destroy our ability to accomplish in anything in Iraq or Afhganistan by stretching our military past the breaking point
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Nope you seem not to understand todays warfare
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No, apparently you do not, otherwise you wouldn't be making half-assed assessments like a .5% casualty rate. For that matter, the US military has a hell of a lot to learn about counter-insurgency warfare, otherwise we'd be done in Iraq and Afghanistan by now.

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
5) Run our already huge deficit so far into the red that our currency becomes worthless
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Money doesn't matter if it did then we wouldn't do allot of things because of money
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Money matters when you run out of it. If our currency becomes worthless, we won't be able to save anybody much less ourselves. What are you going to say if one day we can't afford the fuel or the manpower to extricate the troops we put somewhere to save someone else from their own government?

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
6) Completely bankrupt us as a nation
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Prove It
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Oh, man. :lol:

. . .

:lol:

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
7) Make us even more of a laughing stock than we are now
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To who you Left Wing Jackass of the World
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Nice little ad hoc. Where'd you pick that one up, Sean Hannity?

Scorpion89 said:
TacticalEvilDan said:
9) Undo everything the opposition is trying to do in Iran
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Wrong very Wrong your Naviaty is now showing
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Ah, so this is going to degenerate into a "I know you are but what am I" contest? Erm, no thanks.
 
Scorpion89 said:
They are fighting for their right to be Free correct they did vote hence anyone who has taken tot he Streets calling on the Govn. to throw out the election our Freedom Fighters.
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They aren't exactly taking to the streets right now, are they?

So the question stands.....what "freedom fighters"?
 
CL makes a good point: They aren't freedom fighters because for the most part, as per the wishes of the opposition leadership, they aren't fighting. They're protesting.
 
Dan- I guess you don't know much about what a Mite Force is then because if you did then you would understand that we wouldn't be in Iran for more then 24 Hours and that TAC support would render the Iranian Military hopeless allowing for the FREEDOM FIGHTERS to take back there Country.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Dan- I guess you don't know much about what a Mite Force is then because if you did then you would understand that we wouldn't be in Iran for more then 24 Hours and that TAC support would render the Iranian Military hopeless allowing for the FREEDOM FIGHTERS to take back there Country.
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What I know is how politicians think, and there is no way in hell we'd be there for just 24 hours, and there's no way in hell that the bulk of Iran is going to stand by while we attack their country -- because that is how they will look at it, an assault on their homeland.

Do you have or know siblings? Haven't you ever noticed that you step into an intrafamilial conflict, the first thing all participants do is jump on YOU?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
What I know is how politicians think, and there is no way in hell we'd be there for just 24 hours, and there's no way in hell that the bulk of Iran is going to stand by while we attack their country -- because that is how they will look at it, an assault on their homeland.

Do you have or know siblings? Haven't you ever noticed that you step into an intrafamilial conflict, the first thing all participants do is jump on YOU?
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Admit it you have no idea on what and how a Mite Force works, hence stop trying to BS me and the rest of us. Take it form me we would be in and out with-in 24 hours the Mite Force would do just what they are trained for lighting fast attacks and quick withdrawal.

No they Freedom Fighters would welcome anyone to step in and help them destroy the Revolutionary Guard and Basji Militia
 
dirtpoorchris said:
America has a habit of staying in countries it steps foot in. Forever.
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That's not always the case. Had we stayed in Afghanistan in the 80's, we might not have seen the trouble we have.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Admit it you have no idea on what and how a Mite Force works, hence stop trying to BS me and the rest of us.
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Um, I never said I have the slightest clue how a Mite Force works. If it'll make you feel better I don't even know what a Mite Force is.

Scorpion89 said:
Take it form me we would be in and out with-in 24 hours the Mite Force would do just what they are trained for lighting fast attacks and quick withdrawal.
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I don't have to take it from you, I can take it from history. We have never just jumped in, helped someone for a day, and then left. We always hang around, get too involved, get a bunch of our people killed, and so on.

Scorpion89 said:
No they Freedom Fighters would welcome anyone to step in and help them destroy the Revolutionary Guard and Basji Militia
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How many times do I have to tell you there aren't any freedom fighters? There are protesters and they do not want our help!

Crazy, you say! Why wouldn't they want our help, you ask?

Simple.

They don't trust us. The opposition party doesn't trust us any more than the current regime.

If they took assistance from us and won, they look like a puppet. If they took assistance from us and lost, they lose so much face they can never make a comeback. Not only that, but our assistance immediately puts a clock on everything, because they'd want us gone ASAP. If they do this alone, they can work at their own pace.

At least if they do this their way, without our help, they can always run and resist another day.
 
apdst said:
That's not always the case. Had we stayed in Afghanistan in the 80's, we might not have seen the trouble we have.
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Okay, but we often stay for way the hell to long, and when's the last time we did a simple in-and-out in 24 hours?

Mite Force.

Yeah, maybe in a perfect world.

:lol:
 
Hey, Scorpion89, is this the kind of "Mite Force" you were talking about?

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How about this?

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Wait, wait, I'll get it right this time:

MiteyMites2004.jpg
 
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