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Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that every other nation upon earth had given more attention to the Iranian situation than to the Darfur one, and not just the U.S.

I didn't say just the U.S. ignored it. However, my point stands.
 
UK will step up to no ones plate.
And US should take a backseat.

We have meddled enough in the Middle East and especially in Iran.

Your wrong Laili as someone who has spent close to 20 Years in and out of the Middle East I can safetly say your very wrong.

As for Iran please show me the proof that we have meddled in Iran since the Hostage Crisis of 79, what we should have done back then is what we should be doing now in the name of Freedom you might not understand this because it starts with the word FREE something I found that most Arabs and Middle Eastern folks I came in contact want to be Free and to make their own choice in life.
 
You've forgot the UN has sent in Peace keepers and ask that they be None Western mainly made up of the African Peacekeepers.

And you seem to have forgot the UN also asked that the U.S. not invade Iraq.

Since when does the U.S. listen to the UN?

So we listen for Darfur but not Iraq? Poor excuse there.
 
And you seem to have forgot the UN also asked that the U.S. not invade Iraq.

Since when does the U.S. listen to the UN?

So we listen for Darfur but not Iraq? Poor excuse there.

Wrong the UN never ask the US not to invade Iraq I was sitting in the SC room when the vote was taken where the **** where you huh, don't forget TNE all of us Weapon team folks wanted to go back in.
 
UK will step up to no ones plate.
And US should take a backseat.

We have meddled enough in the Middle East and especially in Iran.
That is as may be.

Question:
What if you are wrong in your assumption that Iran will not export its violence and its nuclear demons? The Islamic Republic is already the primary supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas, who have demonstrated repeatedly their willingness to slaughter Palestinians to feed their hatred of Israel. The Islamic Republic is the nation that denies the Holocaust, and that would that Israel cease to exist entirely.

Regardless of what sins the US and the UK have committed in the past, how long until standing idly by becomes a more grievous sin?

Acting now may be premature.....but what consequence if acting later is acting too late?
 
You've mentioned only the U.S. in your post.
Why?

Because many of the conservatives of this board in this thread (i.e. Americans) have suggested that we intervene in Iran. However, many times conservatives have not wanted to intervene in Darfur where the situation was WORSE. That is why I mentioned just the U.S.
 
Wrong the UN never ask the US not to invade Iraq I was sitting in the SC room when the vote was taken where the **** where you huh, don't forget TNE all of us Weapon team folks wanted to go back in.

Um the UN protested the invasion of Iraq.
 
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Could you please elaborate?
As I remember it from history class, it was the US alone who overthrew the Iranian regime.

In 1951 if i remember my dates and history correctly Mossadegh was elected as Prime Minister where at the time, Iran was growing more nationalistic and wanted to nationalize the oil supplies, this was dangerous and alarmed Britain as it relied on Iran's oil.
It tried a coup and failed and as a result Churchill turned to US for help but Truman refused but Eisenhower had no problem with it and overthrew Iran's elected Government and installed the shah which led to us losing Iran as an ally and in turn we turned to Iraq and Saddam.
 
Because many of the conservatives of this board in this thread (i.e. Americans) have suggested that we intervene in Iran. However, many times conservatives have not wanted to intervene in Darfur where the situation was WORSE. That is why I mentioned just the U.S.

Wrong we wanted to go into Danfur but because of what the problem on the ground is it would be very hard to do a proper peace keeping Mission unless you are willing to let the US (and other Western Nations) control how what is going ot be done the UN wasn't going to allow this.
 
Um the UN protested the invasion of Iraq.

Once again NO THEY DIDN'T I ASK YOU AGAIN WHERE YOU IN THE SECURITY COUNCLE WHEN THE VOTE WAS TAKEN I WAS.
 
In 1951 if i remember my dates and history correctly Mossadegh was elected as Prime Minister where at the time, Iran was growing more nationalistic and wanted to nationalize the oil supplies, this was dangerous and alarmed Britain as it relied on Iran's oil.
It tried a coup and failed and as a result Churchill turned to US for help but Truman refused but Eisenhower had no problem with it and overthrew Iran's elected Government and installed the shah which led to us losing Iran as an ally and in turn we turned to Iraq and Saddam.
It was in 1953, but you are absolutely correct.
I confused the coup with the installment of the Shah, my mistake.
 
Regardless of what sins the US and the UK have committed in the past, how long until standing idly by becomes a more grievous sin?

Acting now may be premature.....but what consequence if acting later is acting too late?

I believe we can stand idly by for a very long time, we will not and should not get involved.

Britain has done the right thing. We expelled their diplomats sure but we will not join US or any other nation in any form of action against Iran.

Our history and actions is one of the factors which has led to this.
If US and UK did not invade and destroy democracy in Iran and install a dictator, do you think Ahmadinejad would be President now? I do not.
 
Hmmmm so this is the situation:

So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

Interesting.
Not that interesting. Tragic, yes, but a most pedestrian and repeated tragedy.

Darfur is localized, and none are threatened but those in Darfur. It is a self-contained tragedy.

Iran is a tragedy that is not contained, and which may or may not be easily containable. Iran is a nation with both a history and an ambition of empire. Iran is a nation with nuclear technology. Iran is a nation of strong faith, and a fervent belief in the virtue of martyrdom. Iran is not merely tolerant of terrorism, but is an exporter of terrorism.

Inevitably, events in Iran touch on more interests of more nations than Darfur. We pay greater attention to Iran because it is the clearer and more present danger to ourselves.
 
Once again NO THEY DIDN'T I ASK YOU AGAIN WHERE YOU IN THE SECURITY COUNCLE WHEN THE VOTE WAS TAKEN I WAS.

Since you want caps....THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT AN INVASION OF IRAQ.

There like that? :roll:
 
Not that interesting. Tragic, yes, but a most pedestrian and repeated tragedy.

Darfur is localized, and none are threatened but those in Darfur. It is a self-contained tragedy.

Iran is a tragedy that is not contained, and which may or may not be easily containable. Iran is a nation with both a history and an ambition of empire. Iran is a nation with nuclear technology. Iran is a nation of strong faith, and a fervent belief in the virtue of martyrdom. Iran is not merely tolerant of terrorism, but is an exporter of terrorism.

Inevitably, events in Iran touch on more interests of more nations than Darfur. We pay greater attention to Iran because it is the clearer and more present danger to ourselves.

So then it has NOTHING to do with helping the people, freedom, or democracy, you are just worried about it spilling out.

This is why conservatives shouldn't try to use emotional reasoning of "Think of the people of Iran" when they don't really care about the people, just it spilling out elsewhere.
 
What is happening in Iran is completely intolerable because unlike Darfur, the people of Iran have rather light complex much closer to white people than African's skin color.

If the United States stands for anything, it is that we must not tolerate denial of rights and abuse of fair skinned people.
 
What is happening in Iran is completely intolerable because unlike Darfur, the people of Iran have rather light complex much closer to white people than African's skin color.

If the United States stands for anything, it is that we must not tolerate denial of rights and abuse of fair skinned people.
Ha. :2razz:

ten letters
 
We pay greater attention to Iran because it is the clearer and more present danger to ourselves.

How is Iran a threat to UK/Europe or US?

It does not have Nukes.
Sure it funds terrorists, terrorists generally restrained to Middle East only.

If anything we should be worried about Pakistan. Which is closer.
 
What is happening in Iran is completely intolerable because unlike Darfur, the people of Iran have rather light complex much closer to white people than African's skin color.

If the United States stands for anything, it is that we must not tolerate denial of rights and abuse of fair skinned people.

That is a ****ing racist comment,and I for one demand you take it back

So I guess all the Aid's Money that we have been sending to Africa doesn't count nor the many time we have sent Food Aid and Finacial Aid to African Nation don't count.
 
How is Iran a threat to UK/Europe or US?

It does not have Nukes.
Sure it funds terrorists, terrorists generally restrained to Middle East only.

If anything we should be worried about Pakistan. Which is closer.

Yes it does Laila my god where the **** have you been for the past 10 Years huh.

You want me to break down what Iran has for Weapons and who they have sent them to and who they provide training to because I can.
 
You want me to break down what Iran has for Weapons and who they have sent them to and who they provide training to because I can.

No.
Because i frankly do not care.

It cannot reach this Island now can it?
Nor can it reach Europe, it does not have such weapons yet
 
Good god, get a sense of humour :doh

Really looks like ****ing racist comment to me prove to me and the rest it isn't, I call them how I see and read them, their was/is no humor in that post.

Maybe I can start some nice Middle East/Arab/Muslim joke then if you find that funny huh would you like that Laili because we can go down that road very fast.
 
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