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Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

paris said:
The US did not even exist for most of France history and if it wasnt for France you yankees would still be subjects of HRM the Queen so shut up or off with your head:)
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That France (pre-Rev) and today's France only share the same name. And if it wasn't for the U.S., France would still be Germany. Off with my head? You're the French citizen, you're in more danger than me.
 
paris said:
You sure are the best when it comes to fire nuclear weapons of mass destruction as well as to tell lies to the international community about WMDs in Iraq: Man you would send 60,000 people to hell a hundred times, not to mention the 5,000,000 non-US citizens who died in Vietnam.
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Oui, Oui. We know, we know. Bush lied, people died yadda yadda yadda and all that stuff.

You seem to forget that Vietnam was your mess before it was ours.
 
paris said:
The US did not even exist for most of France history and if it wasnt for France you yankees would still be subjects of HRM the Queen so shut up or off with your head:)
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While we thank France for their aid do not pretend wide French participation was anything other than self interest and payback against the British who had come out on top after the 7 years war previously.
 
paris said:
The US did not even exist for most of France history and if it wasnt for France you yankees would still be subjects of HRM the Queen so shut up or off with your head:)
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Yes well, we're so sorry we missed out on the whole inbred monarchy period and your Joan of Arc heresy and whatever else you think the French have accomplished besides learning how to swill wine and justify your men becoming more and more effeminate in the name of "enlightenment" and "style".
 
wbreese91 said:
That France (pre-Rev) and today's France only share the same name. And if it wasn't for the U.S., France would still be Germany. Off with my head? You're the French citizen, you're in more danger than me.
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Oh! what danger would that be my dear guardian of world peace?
 
akyron said:
While we thank France for their aid do not pretend wide French participation was anything other than self interest and payback against the British who had come out on top after the 7 years war previously.
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You are welcome but I did not pretend anything about France's participation in the American Revolution except for the fact it caused the French Revolution to happen next so when I hear Americans nitpick on that part of France's history I find it very hypocrite.
 
paris said:
You are welcome but I did not pretend anything about France's participation in the American Revolution except for the fact it caused the French Revolution to happen next so when I hear Americans nitpick on that part of France's history I find it very hypocrite.
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How is America at fault for the disaster of the French Revolution? Are we responsible because we are smart and actually made something positive of our revolution? Maybe if the French people stopped eating so much cheese they could actually win a war. The geniuses in France were inspired by the American Revolution and they decided to have one of their own because it looked like a ball. They killed each other, American did not kill any of them, in fact America elected to take no action.

Hey this has some relevance to the topic!!! When we did not participate in a revolution it was a complete disaster that resulted in the death of thousands and was only resolved when a bloody dictator took over (Bonaparte). Our help in Iran could save the lives of thousands and end the oppressive regime currently in control. Lets act now before some dictator takes over and we have to pray for another Waterloo.
 
Polimaster said:
How is America at fault for the disaster of the French Revolution? Are we responsible because we are smart and actually made something positive of our revolution? Maybe if the French people stopped eating so much cheese they could actually win a war. The geniuses in France were inspired by the American Revolution and they decided to have one of their own because it looked like a ball. They killed each other, American did not kill any of them, in fact America elected to take no action.

Hey this has some relevance to the topic!!! When we did not participate in a revolution it was a complete disaster that resulted in the death of thousands and was only resolved when a bloody dictator took over (Bonaparte). Our help in Iran could save the lives of thousands and end the oppressive regime currently in control. Lets act now before some dictator takes over and we have to pray for another Waterloo.
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You are being hypocrites if you thank France for its help in the American Revolution but condemn it for trying to do the same thing at home next even without your much needed help...

And the relevance I see here is that the US will not help another people form their own constitution unless it is designed by the USers to protect their own interests such as in Iraq.
 
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paris said:
You are being hypocrites if you thank France for its help in the American Revolution but condemn it for trying to do the same thing at home next even without your much needed help.

And the relevance I see here is that the US will not help another people form their own constitution unless it is designed by themselves to protect their own interests as in Iraq.
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I don't really recall much help from outside forces being stressed in history class when talking about the formation of our constitution either. Oh wait...we did have your philosophers and political thinkers. I wonder how come we made something out of their efforts and you didn't? Oh that's right...we didn't go on a murderous rampage against our own people. :doh
 
paris said:
You are being hypocrites if you thank France for its help in the American Revolution but condemn it for trying to do the same thing at home next even without your much needed help...

And the relevance I see here is that the US will not help another people form their own constitution unless it is designed by the USers to protect their own interests such as in Iraq.
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Is this the same person who not too long ago was saying what a success the French Revolution was? Now you are referring to it like a failure, which don't get me wrong it most certainly was. I apologize that the US does not want to go in work hard, sacrifice lives to change a country, just for that country to turn against them. Maybe the French wouldn't be so pathetic if they learned how to take care of themselves rather than the moment they are attacked, whipping out their white flags and scream for Britain or the US.

I think any lack of help in your failed revolution is overshadowed by the US sacrificing many lives, along with Britain, while taking your country back for you. The World would be better off if there was no France, but if the land was rather divided up between those that fought Germany for it.
 
Boy did this thread get derailed

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Polimaster said:
Maybe the French wouldn't be so pathetic if they learned how to take care of themselves rather than the moment they are attacked, whipping out their white flags and scream for Britain or the US.
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I think its funny the only people the french have a chance of defeating is other frenchmen. And even that's up for debate when you look at their revolution.

Hell, their two most memorable generals were a farm girl who heard voices and a midget with heartburn and syphilis.
 
jallman said:
I don't really recall much help from outside forces being stressed in history class when talking about the formation of our constitution either. Oh wait...we did have your philosophers and political thinkers. I wonder how come we made something out of their efforts and you didn't? Oh that's right...we didn't go on a murderous rampage against our own people. :doh
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Well it does help if your philosophers and thinkers aren't first in line for the guillotine....
 
paris said:
You are being hypocrites if you thank France for its help in the American Revolution but condemn it for trying to do the same thing at home next even without your much needed help...

And the relevance I see here is that the US will not help another people form their own constitution unless it is designed by the USers to protect their own interests such as in Iraq.
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Ok, so the U.S. is supposed to just jump in and help France after France sat there and said "You have to prove you can win this thing before we help you." Now who's the hypocrite?
 
Lerxst said:
Do you even know what the discussion was? It was about Truth Detectors claim that we were responsible for rescuing Europe from Germany in World War II and that Russia was somehow not that big of a factor. That's absurd. At THAT TIME Russia was our ally against the Axis, we were not invading to save western Europe from Russia...but that's what we did in all actuality. I've already made the case at least twice if not more. Get it? Or do you just like being argumentative? If you are going to attack me over a point I'm making, how about you actually address a point I've actually made and not one you are fit to manufacture. :roll:
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Once again you would be wrong; but that is a common affliction you seem to have when you engage in your typical myopic fashion.

Here was my initial claim towards Paris:

Truth Detector said:
You come into the thread and spew complete nonsense and then claim others are "ignorant?" :rofl

You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.

The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.

Carry on. :roll:
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Then came your typically uninformed BS:

Lerxst said:
You shouldn't go slinging the word "ignorant" at anyone when you make stupid comments like this one. France didn't "get themselves into a war they couldn't get out of." Germany invaded France without just cause. We chose to fight in Europe because Hitler declared war on the U.S. and it was to our strategic advantage to actually join the fighting. Not because we wanted to rescue France or any other part of Europe. If we could have just continued supplying arms and material under Lend-Lease that would have been preferred. With the Russian front opened up Great Britain could have sustained under Lend-Lease until Soviet troops made it to Berlin, and they would have, with or without D-Day. Germany would have begun pulling resources off of the western front and worked towards stopping the Russians.

But...Hitler pushed the button and you have to act at that point. Which in the end worked out because the U.S. sphere of influence in Europe after the war was quite beneficial to all involved.

You need to read some books on the subject matter you think you understand.

Yeah...:roll:
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Carry on; the notion that you could coherently follow any debate requires the willing suspension of disbelief.

But go on and share with us how Russia was single handedly defeating the German War Machine and how a second front and American involvment would not have changed a thing. :roll:
 
jallman said:
I think its funny the only people the french have a chance of defeating is other frenchmen. And even that's up for debate when you look at their revolution.

Hell, their two most memorable generals were a farm girl who heard voices and a midget with heartburn and syphilis.
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Now THIS is one damned :funny
 
DeeJayH said:
if i really was, i would report this post as being a personal attack :2wave:
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You are nevertheless pathetic. You, and your arguements. And your voacbulary, it apparently consists of nothing but, "douche"
 
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repeter...cease the personal attack, now, or there will be further consequences.
 
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