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Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

paris said:
I have answered your question but you have not told me, would you do the Vietnam and Iraq wars all over again considering Johnson, Nixon and Bush are bigger mass murderers than Robespierre?

I enjoy your interest in history and your focus on France but could you tell about all the people who died at the hands of the US gouvernment, perhaps you could start with the Native Americans?
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Yeah, why don't we just skate around the point? Robespierre was a nutjob. We all know it. The French Revolution was an abject failure. The people would have been better off witht he monarchs. Yeah they might be hungry, but thousands of them would have been alive. Those that would have starved under the monarchs, still starved when Robespierre and his ilk took over. Robespierre deserved what he got...the guillotine.

As for your comparisons, care to speculate how many people would have died if Robespierre had access to machine guns?

BTW, fighting valid wars against an enemy and having collateral damage (Bush and Vietnam Presidents) is different from ignighting a campaign of violence against your own citizens.

There is really no excuse for our treatment of the Indians, but they at least weren't our citizens unlike the targets of Robespierre's Great Terror.
 
paris said:
I have answered your question but you have not told me, would you do the Vietnam and Iraq wars all over again considering Johnson, Nixon and Bush are bigger mass murderers than Robespierre?
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Roughly 40,000 people were executed during the reign of terror which lasted one year. I think Robespierre takes the award for most prolific mass murderer between them since all the others were prosecuting wars and not lining their own citizens up for beheading.

I enjoy your interest in history and your focus on France but could you tell about all the people who died at the hands of the US gouvernment, perhaps you could start with the Native Americans?
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A people displaced by social advancement. Yes, it was a tragic thing, that whole sordid affair. However, it is not as if America was the first to so so and I do believe when it started we were still colonies of Europe. Yes, that means the French are just as complicit in the whole mess.
 
wbreese91 said:
Yeah, why don't we just skate around the point? Robespierre was a nutjob. We all know it. The French Revolution was an abject failure. The people would have been better off witht he monarchs. Yeah they might be hungry, but thousands of them would have been alive. Those that would have starved under the monarchs, still starved when Robespierre and his ilk took over. Robespierre deserved what he got...the guillotine.

As for your comparisons, care to speculate how many people would have died if Robespierre had access to machine guns?

BTW, fighting valid wars against an enemy and having collateral damage (Bush and Vietnam Presidents) is different from ignighting a campaign of violence against your own citizens.

There is really no excuse for our treatment of the Indians, but they at least weren't our citizens unlike the targets of Robespierre's Great Terror.
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Ah the guillotine, btw do you still practice the death penalty in the USA today thats so passé.
 
jallman said:
Roughly 40,000 people were executed during the reign of terror which lasted one year. I think Robespierre takes the award for most prolific mass murderer between them since all the others were prosecuting wars and not lining their own citizens up for beheading.



A people displaced by social advancement. Yes, it was a tragic thing, that whole sordid affair. However, it is not as if America was the first to so so and I do believe when it started we were still colonies of Europe. Yes, that means the French are just as complicit in the whole mess.
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Roughly 5.000.000 people died because of the US operation in Vietnam which lasted 10 years, that's 500.000 a year so sorry, Johnson and Nixon take the lead - do you have the latest numbers for Iraq?




Perhaps by your logic you could also come to the conclusion that the French Revolution started because of France's involvment in the American Revolution and share some responsibility for our dead too?
 
paris said:
Perhaps by your logic you could also come to the conclusion that the French Revolution started because of France's involvment in the American Revolution and share some responsibility for our dead too?
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Sure. I have no qualms about taking credit for dead frenchmen. :shrug:
 
paris said:
Ah the guillotine, btw do you still practice the death penalty in the USA today thats so passé.
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Yeah but we use it on CRIMINALS! Robespierre used it on whoever he wanted, after giving them a trial that was just for show. In the U.S., we take great pains to make sure the jury is unbiased etc., Robespierre took great steps to make sure it was biased. You are still not addressing the issue. Just admit it, your precious Frenchmen screwed up in their failed revolution. Maybe if France still had a monarchy, it wouldn't be a second rate country today. :sarcasticclap
 
wbreese91 said:
Yeah but we use it on CRIMINALS! Robespierre used it on whoever he wanted, after giving them a trial that was just for show. In the U.S., we take great pains to make sure the jury is unbiased etc., Robespierre took great steps to make sure it was biased. You are still not addressing the issue. Just admit it, your precious Frenchmen screwed up in their failed revolution. Maybe if France still had a monarchy, it wouldn't be a second rate country today. :sarcasticclap
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Hey there government might be second rate.... but they make good cheese and wine!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
wbreese91 said:
Yeah but we use it on CRIMINALS! Robespierre used it on whoever he wanted, after giving them a trial that was just for show. In the U.S., we take great pains to make sure the jury is unbiased etc., Robespierre took great steps to make sure it was biased. You are still not addressing the issue. Just admit it, your precious Frenchmen screwed up in their failed revolution. Maybe if France still had a monarchy, it wouldn't be a second rate country today. :sarcasticclap
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Yeah, I bet the innocent people released from Gitmo have a different experience of your rule of law.

Now please enlight us with your superb wit and answer my question as it still stands here: Would you do the Vietnam/Iraq war all over again if you could?
 
wbreese91 said:
:rofl: I don't think I'm alone in hoping they choke on it
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paris said:
Yeah, I bet the innocent people released from Gitmo have a different experience of your rule of law.

Now please enlight us with your superb wit and answer my question as it still stands here: Would you do the Vietnam/Iraq war all over again if you could?
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A hundred times over again if I could. I don't suffer the French's weak stomach for deliberate action when it is needed. We Americans actually know how to fire our weapons instead of just dropping them in a full retreat.
 
paris said:
Yeah, I bet the innocent people released from Gitmo have a different experience of your rule of law.

Now please enlight us with your superb wit and answer my question as it still stands here: Would you do the Vietnam/Iraq war all over again if you could?
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Hey, Sherlock Holmes, the people at Gitmo weren't U.S. Citizens! The people Robespierre executed WERE French citizens. There is still no comparison.

Your question has no bearing on this debate, but to answer it...No, I would not do Vietnam over again, yes I would do Iraq over again. My reason is that the war in Iraq has made some major accomplishments, such as removing a tyrant and setting up a democracy.
 
jallman said:
A hundred times over again if I could. I don't suffer the French's weak stomach for deliberate action when it is needed. We Americans actually know how to fire our weapons instead of just dropping them in a full retreat.
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Other nations hold emergency drills, France holds national surrender drills :lol:

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jallman said:
A hundred times over again if I could. I don't suffer the French's weak stomach for deliberate action when it is needed. We Americans actually know how to fire our weapons instead of just dropping them in a full retreat.
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They didn't all drop their weapons in full retreat. Some died fighting. The reason they sucked was they failed to recognize mobilde warfare, and so forth got surronded, along with the Brit's.
 
repeter said:
They didn't all drop their weapons in full retreat. Some died fighting. The reason they sucked was they failed to recognize mobilde warfare, and so forth got surronded, along with the Brit's.
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They build a wall with a giaganitic HOLE in it, because they thought Nazi's couldn't handle a few trees or go through Belgium. How stupid can you be?
 
jallman said:
A hundred times over again if I could. I don't suffer the French's weak stomach for deliberate action when it is needed. We Americans actually know how to fire our weapons instead of just dropping them in a full retreat.
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You sure are the best when it comes to fire nuclear weapons of mass destruction as well as to tell lies to the international community about WMDs in Iraq: Man you would send 60,000 people to hell a hundred times, not to mention the 5,000,000 non-US citizens who died in Vietnam.
 
wbreese91 said:
Hey, Sherlock Holmes, the people at Gitmo weren't U.S. Citizens! The people Robespierre executed WERE French citizens. There is still no comparison.

Your question has no bearing on this debate, but to answer it...No, I would not do Vietnam over again, yes I would do Iraq over again. My reason is that the war in Iraq has made some major accomplishments, such as removing a tyrant and setting up a democracy.
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Ya ya tell us more about those WMDs in Iraq - btw D doesnt stand for democracy but destruction.
 
paris said:
Ya ya tell us more about those WMDs in Iraq - btw D doesnt stand for democracy but destruction.
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I don't give a flying crap what the reason for invasion was we still gave them democracy which is more than that crackpot Robiespierre could even manage to give to himself not to mention the french people. Why don't you just make this about Bush so you can pretend France doesn't suck?
 
paris said:
I dunno does the Uncle Sam still scalp today waterboarding is not fashion:)
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Once again: SO you can understand it

The Gitmo prisoners were:

NOT U.S. CITIZENS

Robespierre's victoms were:

FRENCH CITIZENS
 
paris said:
You sure are the best when it comes to fire nuclear weapons of mass destruction as well as to tell lies to the international community about WMDs in Iraq: Man you would send 60,000 people to hell a hundred times, not to mention the 5,000,000 non-US citizens who died in Vietnam.
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Oh man, the usual crap about the U.S. being the only nation to use nuclear weapons. Shut up! France wasn't even a country for most of WWII.
 
paris said:
bigger mass murderers than Robespierre??
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Do you think that is due to a lack of effort,will, or merely a lack of modern weapons?

It takes quite a bit of will to continue when the blood is splashing on your boots and it happened to him at least 1200 times.
 
wbreese91 said:
Oh man, the usual crap about the U.S. being the only nation to use nuclear weapons. Shut up! France wasn't even a country for most of WWII.
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The US did not even exist for most of France history and if it wasnt for France you yankees would still be subjects of HRM the Queen so shut up or off with your head:)
 
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