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Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

What the hell happened. Im hearing news of massacres of students, wtf. Why isn't anyone talking about this!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL
 
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Lerxst said:
Okay.

True.

They are the facts.

No, not at all.

Please provide a citation for this.

Nobody declared them the savior of Europe. But they were absolutely responsible for creating the setting for which D-Day had occured. If Russia had not dealt the Germans such horrible defeats and put them on the run on the eastern front there would have been much more armor, air power, and infantry in western Europe. This is an undeniable truth.

Stop being so melodramatic. It just makes you look silly. We didn't save Europe from the Germans, we actually saved western Europe from the Russians. That was my point. Go back and read. Had we not launched D-Day the French would be speaking Russian because the Red Army would have defeated Germany. The Rhineland was running out of military aged men to put in uniform and had made a major series of strategic and tactical errors.


So you agree, Russia did not actually need our troops to defeat Germany.

Okay?

No, any "real historian" would not grant that point because it's not that simple nor is it realistic.
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I can admit when I am wrong. I obviously misunderstood your argument. I agree with you. Yes, Russia could have won, if only by sheer force of numbers. I do believe we saved the world, in the sense that the world would be screwed without the guiding influence of its Western Powers, however, my statement in my previous post was rather over dramatic (rather superhero esque actually). I appologize for the insinuation that you discounted the sacrifice of our troops. I now realize what your argument was, and agree with it. I do hope you can forgive someone who has been staring at posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about in several other threads for misjudging your post.
 
Laila said:
Pretty much yeah.
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Insa!

I'd rather we didn't invade Iraq at all and focused entirely on Afghanistan.
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Afghanistan is the armpit of the Middle East unless you lack a warm water port it lacks all strategic value.

What you mean we didn't give Saddam weapons and support?
Oh thank God, that has taken a load off my mind
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Not weapons per-say, dual use items retrofitted for military use after the fact.

So we have the responsibility to help others achieve soverignty and we chose Iraq and not the countless others which may want it?
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Those were American made helicopters used as gun ships during the '91 uprising. A truly black mark on our record. "Stand up" as we "sit down".

Why would US wish to give democracy to the ME when its own neighbours has not experienced that gift?
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Um the entirety of the Americas are democracies in one form or another save for perhaps Cuba.

I mean, i'm sure Cuba would appreciate it when we pat them on the head and tell them it was for their own good ....
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You mean the only non liberal democracy in the entire hemisphere with the Chavez Junta following close behind?
 
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wbreese91 said:
I can admit when I am wrong. I obviously misunderstood your argument. I agree with you. Yes, Russia could have won, if only by sheer force of numbers. I do believe we saved the world, in the sense that the world would be screwed without the guiding influence of its Western Powers, however, my statement in my previous post was rather over dramatic (rather superhero esque actually). I appologize for the insinuation that you discounted the sacrifice of our troops. I now realize what your argument was, and agree with it. I do hope you can forgive someone who has been staring at posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about in several other threads for misjudging your post.
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Meh, it's all good.

;)
 
OxymoronP said:
We can remain quiet and call for the Iranians to show restraint, anything else will play into AmeJ and the Ayottolas hands.
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We need to start working with the other nations to cut fuel shipments to Iran until Amidemonjihad and the Ayetolietbowl are removed from office.

The world needs to gang rape the current government of Iran. It's time for the Iranian goverment to be toppeled.
 
Vader said:
We need to start working with the other nations to cut fuel shipments to Iran until Amidemonjihad and the Ayetolietbowl are removed from office.

The world needs to gang rape the current government of Iran. It's time for the Iranian goverment to be toppeled.
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Hopefully, the big rally of 100,000 at Tehran Square will get some martyrs, and a lot of people pissed the hell off.

Gear Up Boys we got a new war on our hands.
 
repeter said:
Hopefully, the big rally of 100,000 at Tehran Square will get some martyrs, and a lot of people pissed the hell off.
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Stop for a moment and think about what a "martyr" is, and what you just said.

Hopefully, a rally of 100,000 itself would persuade the Islamic Republic to alter its trajectory, before there is a tragedy.
 
celticlord said:
Stop for a moment and think about what a "martyr" is, and what you just said.

Hopefully, a rally of 100,000 itself would persuade the Islamic Republic to alter its trajectory, before there is a tragedy.
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There has already been a Tiananmen Square in Iran. Anything else, be it 10 or 100 people will cause more dissent, and more international outcry. The reason no one knows about the massacre of hundreds of people is thanks to goddamn f**king Michael Jackson, and to a certain extent, Iranian Censorship. There are videos and pictures of people dying en mass, but just videos. No news reports are being allowed yet, and some hacker took down Mousavi's sight.

And do you honestly think the rallt itself will alter the country significantly? This isn't Europe or America. It's a f**king authoritorian regime, and Amadinejad is nothing more then a figurehead, who listens to the Ayatollah Khomenei or whatever. Dissent leads to death, and massacres.

We have to help the people there before there's no one left to help
 
repeter said:
And do you honestly think the rallt itself will alter the country significantly? This isn't Europe or America. It's a f**king authoritorian regime, and Amadinejad is nothing more then a figurehead, who listens to the Ayatollah Khomenei or whatever. Dissent leads to death, and massacres.
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No, I do not. However, I stop short of wishing death upon people who have done me no evil turn.

No good man wishes for 100,000 Neda Soltanis.
 
celticlord said:
No, I do not. However, I stop short of wishing death upon people who have done me no evil turn.

No good man wishes for 100,000 Neda Soltanis.
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I'm not wishing. I am assuming it is going to happen, as it happened at batherestan square a few days back. People are going to die one way or another, and we should start getting ready to f**k those suckers up. For too long Iran's been playing the West as their b**ches. We need to hit them hard, fast, and now.
 
repeter said:
I'm not wishing. I am assuming it is going to happen, as it happened at batherestan square a few days back. People are going to die one way or another, and we should start getting ready to f**k those suckers up. For too long Iran's been playing the West as their b**ches. We need to hit them hard, fast, and now.
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Dude, you're 15 and spending the summer at Harvard.

Whoever does the "hitting", it ain't likely to be you any time soon.

So who's this "we", kemosabe?
 
Agent Ferris said:
It was a democidal reign of terror. It led to dictatorship not republic, it did not succeed in fomentinga republican constitution, it did not succeed in any of its objectives outside of removing the monarchy, all it did was replace one dictator with another costing thousands upon thousands of lives to the hands of the mass murderer Robespierre who will go down in history as the precursor and inspiration to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
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Ya right, as if Robespierre has not gone down in history yet.:rofl

Once again the main objective of the revolution was to remove the monarchy, and so it was a success.

Not only did it remove the king but it also led to a republican constitution, short-lived certainly but still a republican constitution. I suggest you check your facts.

And what about the Declaration of Human Rights, such an awful thing right? I personally am very grateful for it as much as for cutting ties with bigoted religious hypocrites.

The only thing I regret is that we did not do it sooner, we might have kept Louisiana to ourselves and let your ungrateful arses deal by yourselves with HRM the Queen of England!:2wave:
 
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paris said:
Ya right, as if Robespierre has not gone down in history yet.:rofl

Once again the main objective of the revolution was to remove the monarchy, and so it was a success.

Not only did it remove the king but it also led to a republican constitution, short-lived certainly but still a republican constitution. I suggest you check your facts.

And what about the Declaration of Human Rights, such an awful thing right? I personally am very grateful for it as much as for cutting ties with bigoted religious hypocrites.

The only thing I regret is that we did not do it sooner, we might have kept Louisiana to ourselves and let your ungrateful arses deal by yourselves with HRM the Queen of England!:2wave:
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Of course, you then would have had to deal with all those irritating hurricanes...
 
celticlord said:
Dude, you're 15 and spending the summer at Harvard.

Whoever does the "hitting", it ain't likely to be you any time soon.

So who's this "we", kemosabe?
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Umm....you live in it, it spends the msot on DOD every year, and it's initials spell "us" :doh
 
repeter said:
Umm....you live in it, it spends the msot on DOD every year, and it's initials spell "us" :doh
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I do live in it. I raised two upstanding young men it. I run my business in it. I paid off my ex wife's mortgage in it.

When I was 18, I raised my right hand and swore an oath to defend its Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as a United States Marine (MOS 2531, Field Radio Operator).

With the exception of the "living" bit, all of this is stuff you have yet to do, and some of it is stuff you will never do.

So, again, who is this "we" you speak of? Because whomever the "we" is that will be "hitting" Iran, of a certainty it will not be you.
 
celticlord said:
I do live in it. I raised two upstanding young men it. I run my business in it. I paid off my ex wife's mortgage in it.

When I was 18, I raised my right hand and swore an oath to defend its Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as a United States Marine (MOS 2531, Field Radio Operator).

With the exception of the "living" bit, all of this is stuff you have yet to do, and some of it is stuff you will never do.

So, again, who is this "we" you speak of? Because whomever the "we" is that will be "hitting" Iran, of a certainty it will not be you.
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Unless we "hit" Iran 3+ years from now or more.
 
celticlord said:
I do live in it. I raised two upstanding young men it. I run my business in it. I paid off my ex wife's mortgage in it.

When I was 18, I raised my right hand and swore an oath to defend its Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as a United States Marine (MOS 2531, Field Radio Operator).

With the exception of the "living" bit, all of this is stuff you have yet to do, and some of it is stuff you will never do.

So, again, who is this "we" you speak of? Because whomever the "we" is that will be "hitting" Iran, of a certainty it will not be you.
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Stop being so freaking personal. I don't give a s**t i'm not a marine who talks to people, i dont give a crap i dont have 2 sons and i dont have a business yet.
If you want to be personal and keep this focused on you and me, go right ahead. but do it elsewhere. this is supposed to be about iran, and stopping whats happening in iran. if you're too much of a wimp to condone fighting in iran, we have the U-Q9 combat drone or something with that designation. it can fly from afghanistan, or Iraq ( i think) and it can kill amadadenijad, khamenei, and a lot of other clerics, before they know we're coming. authoritarian regimes waver for some time when they suddenly become headless.
 
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repeter said:
Again, stop deviating. this is about killing amadenijad and the ayatollah a**holes.
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No, it's not.

This is about a portion of the Iranian people protesting/rioting/rebelling against the entities you mention.

Discussions about what the USA will or will not do is a related issue which is also under duscussion.

If we just up and killed the religious leader and his puppets, we would likely have the people of Iran pissed at us, and besides, others would likely step into their place. A change in the government system in Iran might prevent such incidents from occuring again.
 
The Mark said:
No, it's not.

This is about a portion of the Iranian people protesting/rioting/rebelling against the entities you mention.

Discussions about what the USA will or will not do is a related issue which is also under duscussion.

If we just up and killed the religious leader and his puppets, we would likely have the people of Iran pissed at us, and besides, others would likely step into their place. A change in the government system in Iran might prevent such incidents from occuring again.
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yeah, the 20 percent of the people would get mad at us. Maybe 20 percent more would'nt care, and then the 60% left would love, and hail and celebrate us.

THE POINT IS THAT THE CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN DENIED BY THE "ENTITIES" AFOREMENTIONED. THEY ARE DENYING THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM, AND FOR THAT REASON WE SHOULD REMOVE THEM FROM POWER BEFORE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT PEACE AND FREEDOM ALL DIE.
 
repeter said:
Again, stop deviating. this is about killing amadenijad and the ayatollah a**holes.
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And who the hell are YOU to speak of killing?

Seriously.

You are a boy. By your own words, you're not even old enough to shave every day.

You speak of killing and dying as if they were trivial things. They are not.

Yes, what is happening in Iran is a horrific wrong. Yes, it is a monstrous injustice. Yes, it is Islamic heresy perpetrated by the Islamic Republic on the Iranian people. All this is true.

Yet all this does not give boys leave to call upon men to take up arms and set about killing and dying.
 
celticlord said:
And who the hell are YOU to speak of killing?

Seriously.

You are a boy. By your own words, you're not even old enough to shave every day.

You speak of killing and dying as if they were trivial things. They are not.

Yes, what is happening in Iran is a horrific wrong. Yes, it is a monstrous injustice. Yes, it is Islamic heresy perpetrated by the Islamic Republic on the Iranian people. All this is true.

Yet all this does not give boys leave to call upon men to take up arms and set about killing and dying.
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you are so hypocritical. Yes, they are dying, but we shouldn't do anything. Maybe the word is pathetic.....

Again, stop making this personal. This is about Iran not you and me, so stop bringing in assumptions about me.

What would you rather do, huh? Sit back and wait for thousands more to die? Who are YOU to say they shouldn'tbe helped, or prevented??????????
 
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