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Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

Yeh, but when most of the video is shot out of windows and out of public view, seems like there could be better quality.

Well, Will, I don't see you trotting yourself over there to gather information so that it meets whatever arbitrary standard you set for its dismissal each time you are presented information that is inconvenient to your apologetics.

I think many of us would be happy to chip in to pay your way to Iran so you can shoot your own video, if you like.
 
That's it. Upon confirmation of these reports, we should be willing to send military assistance into Iran. If that's the way it's going to be, arm the protestors with American weapons and join the fight. I don't really see much else we can do if all this is true.

Unfortunately and due to the method in which Bush was treated by the drive-by media and Liberals, I will never support ANY military venture that places young American military troops at risk EVER.

The American people have spoken and clearly agreed with Osama Bin Laden; we are a spineless nation filled with spoiled brats who clearly have no clue what sacrifice is with the mentality of a fast food drive thru.

As far as I am concerned, there will never be any future support from me for ANY President who sends our young men and women into harms way regardless of the cause until the American public becomes informed, can support such a serious commitment without the demagoguery and ends their narcissistic notions about REALITY.
 
They need to turn these protests violent. The non-violence on the part of the People isn't working and their government has firmly set themselves against the rights and liberties of their people. The government will use violence against them, they need to respond in kind. They need a full out revolution.

It would be hard for "the people" to revolt against an armed Government when they don't have the same 2nd ammendment rights to keep and bear arms that we have.

Just a reminder to those who think the ONLY people who should be armed in our societies should be the Government.
 
I think cops would be a little more scared to beat innocents to death with a small percent of the population getting inflamed enough to take 12 gauge to a oppressor. But, I think the key to this battle is going to be to make the police feel guilty. Beg them to join the peoples sides while telling them over and over that their paycheck is buying your silence. "How greedy it is for you to take a few hundred bucks in exchange for my voice that needs to be heard."
 
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I think many of us would be happy to chip in to pay your way to Iran so you can shoot your own video, if you like.

Hrmmm.. Sounds exhilarating. I got a full beard maybe they would let whitey live.
 
It would be hard for "the people" to revolt against an armed Government when they don't have the same 2nd ammendment rights to keep and bear arms that we have.

Just a reminder to those who think the ONLY people who should be armed in our societies should be the Government.

As if we Europeans ever needed your 2nd ammendment to have revolutions.:rofl
 
Well it was just a matter of time. I agree with many of you here, as this is how I have felt from the beginning. We need to move to arm the resistance. If this is even partially true it's time to get involved. As I said in another thread, assault rifles, submachine guns, pistols, grenades, anti-tank weapons. We have stockpiles ComBloc weapons sitting on their border. Put it to good use.

Previous Presidents who "armed" resistance in other nations were met with outrage and charges of interventionism/imperialism by their political opponents.
 
Yeh, but when most of the video is shot out of windows and out of public view, seems like there could be better quality.

It's a distance and quality thing. Cell phone cameras weren't really meant to be full fledged camers. With cell phones, the least bit of movement, even just breathing, is going to distort the picture. One of the other problems for the protesters, when they upload the videos, it's through an ever narrowing pipeline as the gov't tries to shut everything down. Right now they're going through all kinds of hoops to even get these videos out, multiple emailings, ghost sites, proxy servers..... Each of those, depending on the quality, is going to add more to the distortion.
 
I think cops would be a little more scared to beat innocents to death with a small percent of the population getting inflamed enough to take 12 gauge to a oppressor. But, I think the key to this battle is going to be to make the police feel guilty. Beg them to join the peoples sides while telling them over and over that their paycheck is buying your silence. "How greedy it is for you to take a few hundred bucks in exchange for my voice that needs to be heard."

Yes, they will feel guilty and stop beating and killing those they oppress.

This is about as naive as Obama thinking that by NOT coming out with a strong statement condemning their actions, the leaders of Iran would not blame us as meddling in their affairs; yet after his obtuse statements, Iran's leaders did indeed blame the evil empire America for what is happening in Iran.

:rofl
 
Yes, they will feel guilty and stop beating and killing those they oppress.

This is about as naive as Obama thinking that by NOT coming out with a strong statement condemning their actions, the leaders of Iran would not blame us as meddling in their affairs; yet after his obtuse statements, Iran's leaders did indeed blame the evil empire America for what is happening in Iran.

:rofl

Ya, you are right. And Gandhi totally would have done it better if he picked up a weapon and started fighting.
 
Ya, you are right. And Gandhi totally would have done it better if he picked up a weapon and started fighting.

Ghandi wasn't fighting a theocratic proto-fascist regime, he was fighting an enlightened government of a citizenry becoming more and more opposed to colonialism and inclined to support Wilsonian anti-colonialist policies.
 
As if you Europeans ever needed the United States to do your fighting for you. :rofl

What an ignorant comment!

Was the US involved during the French Revolution? Nope.

Was France involved in your "civil war?" Yeppers. Now you can go back playing in the sand medal detector...
 
Ghandi wasn't fighting a theocratic proto-fascist regime, he was fighting an enlightened government of a citizenry becoming more and more opposed to colonialism and inclined to support Wilsonian anti-colonialist policies.

We should add that it was Government that also permitted the media to report.
 
What an ignorant comment!

Was the US involved during the French Revolution? Nope.

Was France involved in your "civil war?" Yeppers. Now you can go back playing in the sand medal detector...

You come into the thread and spew complete nonsense and then claim others are "ignorant?" :rofl

You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.

The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.

Carry on. :roll:
 
The funny part is your use of Ghandi as a counter example to my comments when he was assasinated by the people he was "peacefully" protesting.

You just like to smear the crap out of things in highlight **** without addressing the main point in a post. It would do wonders for the Iranians if they found a good way to make the cops feel more obligated to to stand down and turn on the leash that keeps them pointing at the wrong direction. You dismiss the power of peaceful self sacrifice as a way of converting people.
 
What an ignorant comment!

Was the US involved during the French Revolution? Nope.

Was France involved in your "civil war?" Yeppers. Now you can go back playing in the sand medal detector...

No we were opposed to the state terrorist and democidal tyrant Robespierre but some of the Founding Fathers went to the nascent French Republic; such as, Thomas Paine and were arrested by the tyrant Robespierre for their troubles.

We were also opposed to the dictatorship under Napoleon that was to follow.

Let's be frank the French Revolution aside from removing the Monarchy (who was actually the one who supported the U.S. revolution) was a complete failure in most other regards.
 
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You just like to smear the crap out of things in highlight **** without addressing the main point in a post. It would do wonders for the Iranians if they found a good way to make the cops feel more obligated to to stand down and turn on the leash that keeps them pointing at the wrong direction. You dismiss the power of peaceful self sacrifice as a way of converting people.

Wrong, I am dismissing the naive notion that peaceful sacrifice works with despots and dictators.

Just like I dismiss Obama’s naiveté thinking that by making obtuse statements on the situation in Iran will prevent the despotic regime from blaming America; lo and behold, they are blaming America. Sometimes the OBVIOUS appears to be too subtle for certain individuals.

:2wave:
 
You come into the thread and spew complete nonsense and then claim others are "ignorant?" :rofl

You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.

The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.

Carry on. :roll:

You are the one spewing your conservative propaganda about the 2nd ammendment in this thread and you get upset because I called you on it? ROFL.

Also I am a young European? Well thank you but you are just talking out of your arse right now and your prose starts to stink so please...:2wave:
 
Let's be frank the French Revolution aside from removing the Monarchy (who was actually the one who supported the U.S. revolution) was a complete failure in most other regards.

ROFL!

What was the point of the French Revolution aside from removing the Monarchy?

It was a great success and it is still celebrated here each 14th of July!:2wave:
 
You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.

Oh please god. Not the US saved the world line ...

US came in late in the game.
It was Britain and its commonwealth which intiated the operation on D Day in France and not to mention it was Russia who arguably played the most important role. If it wasn't for the Russians, we'd be speaking German.
 
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