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Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

celticlord said:
It must be more than mere words--that is undeniable.

It begins with saying "this we condemn." It proceeds to doing something about what we condemn.

Getting small arms and lots of ammunition to the protesters would be an excellent next step.
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And payback for the IEDs they sent to Iraq. Turnabout is fairplay bitches...
 
OxymoronP said:
Really, I remember when Reagan faced the Ayatollahs he bribed them with guns.


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Really? Because I seem to remember the Ayatollah losing his entire family when Reagan ordered his assassination and we dropped bombs on his house.
 
jallman said:
This will end with Obama saying "Now, Amehdinijad, little leaders who axe their people don't get big leader toys. You behave for a month, you can have a nuclear power plant all your own. Now won't that be swell?" :roll:
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Thats why Europe was so glad we elected Obama. Now at least they don't have to feel too awful bad for sitting by and doing nothing about the worlds tyrants, since the leader of the free world will likely take that tack.

First step however, is confirming the reports.
 
They need to get this Michael Jackson **** off the TV and report on this. Is there any firm evidence this actually happened? I am just appalled to think it might(probably) be true, and more appalled that Jackson is seen as a bigger story.
 
Redress said:
They need to get this Michael Jackson **** off the TV and report on this. Is there any firm evidence this actually happened? I am just appalled to think it might(probably) be true, and more appalled that Jackson is seen as a bigger story.
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:applaud :applaud
 
jallman said:
True. But really, are any of us having a hard time believing it?
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Yes, I am. I don't see any confirmation anywhere of this "unimaginable horror" beyond the standard beating of demonstrators.
To those contributors who recommend bombing Iran based on these rumors....thank God you are not in charge.
 
WillRockwell said:
Yes, I am. I don't see any confirmation anywhere of this "unimaginable horror" beyond the standard beating of demonstrators.
To those contributors who recommend bombing Iran based on these rumors....thank God you are not in charge.
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OK, let me rephrase.

Are any of us besides WillRockwell and other assorted apologists having a hard time believing it?
 
jallman said:
OK, let me rephrase.

Are any of us besides WillRockwell and other assorted apologists having a hard time believing it?
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To leap to the conclusion that military action is appropriate based on an unconfirmed blogger is not only irresponsible, it is ridiculous. If this "horror" were really going on, we would have heard about it. After all, the report was sent to CNN, obviously they could not confirm it. Does it not occur to you that the dissent movement in Iran also contains manipulative liars?
 
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WillRockwell said:
Yes, I am. I don't see any confirmation anywhere of this "unimaginable horror" beyond the standard beating of demonstrators.
To those contributors who recommend bombing Iran based on these rumors....thank God you are not in charge.
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Assume it is confirmed. What do you say we should do then?
 
WillRockwell said:
To leap to the conclusion that military action is appropriate based on an unconfirmed blogger is not only irresponsible, it is ridiculous. If this "horror" were really going on, we would have heard about it. After all, the report was sent to CNN, obviously they could not confirm it. Does it not occur to you that the dissent movement in Iran also contains manipulative liars?
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I think just about everybody has said "If this is true" or "If its confirmed" or some other variable of that nature. I guess you must have missed that.

So if it were true, what do you recommend
 
WillRockwell said:
To leap to the conclusion that military action is appropriate based on an unconfirmed blogger is not only irresponsible, it is ridiculous. If this "horror" were really going on, we would have heard about it. After all, the report was sent to CNN, obviously they could not confirm it. Does it not occur to you that the dissent movement in Iran also contains manipulative liars?
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was sent to CNN...
wasn't confirmed....
COULD THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALL AMERICAN JOURNALISTS BEING THROWN OUT OF IRAN? just maybe, you think?
 
WI Crippler said:
I think just about everybody has said "If this is true" or "If its confirmed" or some other variable of that nature. I guess you must have missed that.

So if it were true, what do you recommend
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I'm pretty sure it's not true, because if the Basiji were using axes, it would be a huge story
 
WillRockwell said:
I'm pretty sure it's not true, because if the Basiji were using axes, it would be a huge story
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That wasn't the question.

The question was "If it was true or confrimed"

Its ok show where you stand in a given scenario.
 
WillRockwell said:
To leap to the conclusion that military action is appropriate based on an unconfirmed blogger is not only irresponsible, it is ridiculous. If this "horror" were really going on, we would have heard about it. After all, the report was sent to CNN, obviously they could not confirm it. Does it not occur to you that the dissent movement in Iran also contains manipulative liars?
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Hey, let me help you out here, son...

Suppose I stated my opinion was contingent upon confirmation? Wait, what's that you say? Oh, I did state that we needed confirmation? Really?

Oh yeah...right here in bold:

jallman said:
That's it. Upon confirmation of these reports, we should be willing to send military assistance into Iran. If that's the way it's going to be, arm the protestors with American weapons and join the fight. I don't really see much else we can do if all this is true.
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Now, suppose you actually read a ****ing post before you respond to it with stupid WillRockwell quips like, "it's a good thing you aren't in charge"?
 
WillRockwell said:
Yes, I am. I don't see any confirmation anywhere of this "unimaginable horror" beyond the standard beating of demonstrators.
To those contributors who recommend bombing Iran based on these rumors....thank God you are not in charge.
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What's "the standard beating of demonstrators?" Is that not horrible in and of itself? Or is the fact that you find beating demonstrators to be a standard practice something one would find horrible? To paraphrase you, thank God you're not in charge of setting the standards for what's acceptable.

I can't find anything on tv news either ... just a loving montage to that freak.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Let's watch the personal attacks here folks.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Holy ****. They are literally being slaughtered in the streets. Something now has to be done to help these people, the time for words is over.
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I agree...if this is true, since we are already the world police anyways we may as well keep up the good roll and help these innocent civilians!
 
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Well it was just a matter of time. I agree with many of you here, as this is how I have felt from the beginning. We need to move to arm the resistance. If this is even partially true it's time to get involved. As I said in another thread, assault rifles, submachine guns, pistols, grenades, anti-tank weapons. We have stockpiles ComBloc weapons sitting on their border. Put it to good use.
 
Although it is easy to sympathize with the Iranians, it is not in the U.S. interest to get involved in the conflict.

Practically speaking, the youth have little chance if they turn to violence, even with our support. The moment we offer aid, Khamenei will declare proof of American interference and brand the protesters as collaborators of western imperialists, then call in the revolutionary guard. The revolutionary guard is political army designed to deal with this sort of situation and are loyal to the current regime. Counterinsurgency is a very different game when you are content to use wide-scale slaughter and intimidation to win. In the end, it is likely that the current regime will stay in power and have a serious bone to pick with us. Furthermore, it would be yet more ammunition for the radicals who claim we are evil imperialists out to destroy the Muslim world.

Ultimately, it is not the role of the U.S. to use weapons to promote democracy in the world. We have ignored hundreds of other instances of the people being attacked by there governments, and there is no reason to get involved this time either.
 
jallman said:
I think that the UN should get behind it or get the **** out of the way and let the West do something about the Middle East's problem child. I would hope other ME countries that claim to be free would do the same thing.
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Well, let's get for real here.

When you say "the West", you're not really thinking France, Germany, Italy, or England is going to get involved, right? What you mean is "the United States".

That's fine. The main unspoken reason the Bush Boy invaded Iraq was to place thousands of US troops on the Iranian western border. So, thanks to Bush, if we need to move into Iran, we can do it.
 
This is not an opportunity for the US to stick its beak into Iran, no matter how many demonstrators are beaten in the streets. Although it is in the interest of some to bait the US into declaring war on fundamentalist Islam, there is nothing to be gained from it and very much to lose. Cowboy diplomacy is over.
 
jallman said:
Really? Because I seem to remember the Ayatollah losing his entire family when Reagan ordered his assassination and we dropped bombs on his house.
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That was Khadaffy Duck and Libya.

Reagan, however, had nothing to do with the bogus Iranian "guns for hostages" scandal the leftwing media made so much to-do about, the reference you quoted from whomever was still wrong.
 
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