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Conservative Web radio host arrested for inciting violence - again

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While I tend to be a purist when it comes to first amendment rights this guy makes me want to make an exception.

This guy publishes the name and address of someone he has a beef with and then says something like:
Because it is illegal I would never suggest that someone back them into an alley and beat them with bats and I certainly would not suggest that anyone set fire to his house in the middle of the night, and there is no way I would suggest that anyone lay in wait for him with a sniper rifle with a long range scope when he get out of his car at the above address. I would never condone violence against this jew loving scum because it is illegal.

He has been playing this game too long and waiting until someone gets killed is just unacceptable.
 
Well, I hate to slice hairs, but was this dude inciting violence, as much as he was making just a plain ole threat of violence against another person? Personally, I think the old bastard needs to be taken care of the old fashion way, but I concerned that someone would use this case as precidence to shut down other people they agree with, like when certain political leaners blame Bill O'Reilly for Tiller's murder.
 
COnservative or Fascist?

Though technically he is a white supremacist he came from the conservative movement. He got his start as a frequent caller to Hannity's radio show and parlayed that into a job on Buchanan 92 campaign. While the conservative movement has disowned him it is the group that has supplied his listeners.
 
Though technically he is a white supremacist he came from the conservative movement. He got his start as a frequent caller to Hannity's radio show and parlayed that into a job on Buchanan 92 campaign. While the conservative movement has disowned him it is the group that has supplied his listeners.




Fred phelps is a registered democrat, and ran as a democrat. Do you really want to play this dumb association game? :2wave:
 
Fred phelps is a registered democrat, and ran as a democrat. Do you really want to play this dumb association game? :2wave:

He hates Obama, he hates democrats, he blames a lot of stuff on illegal aliens, he rants about gun grabbers, he wraps everything he says in the American flag. Now why would anyone mistake him for a conservative. I have been keeping an eye on him for a long time.

Fred Phelps has puzzled me for a long time, while he claims to be a Dem he has nothing in common with the aims of the Democratic party. I can't explain him.
 
He hates Obama, he hates democrats, he blames a lot of stuff on illegal aliens, he rants about gun grabbers, he wraps everything he says in the American flag. Now why would anyone mistake him for a conservative. I have been keeping an eye on him for a long time.

Fred Phelps has puzzled me for a long time, while he claims to be a Dem he has nothing in common with the aims of the Democratic party. I can't explain him.




this white supremecist held the same feelings towards Bush that phelps holds against obama.


Sorry, if you want to call one kook a conservative, you gotta take the other kook into your fold to remain consistant.
 
this white supremecist held the same feelings towards Bush that phelps holds against obama.


Sorry, if you want to call one kook a conservative, you gotta take the other kook into your fold to remain consistant.

He sounds like a conservative to the casual listener, that is the only point I attempted to make. And there is no denying that he got his start in the conservative movement.

You would be hard pressed to find a democratic voter who shares Phelps views, can you say the same for a republican voters and Hal Turner?
 
He sounds like a conservative to the casual listener, that is the only point I attempted to make. And there is no denying that he got his start in the conservative movement.

You would be hard pressed to find a democratic voter who shares Phelps views, can you say the same for a republican voters and Hal Turner?




If I believe in socialzied health care and punching puppies and killing jews. Would you say you share the same views as me?


This is dumb. Charles manson lived a communal life, I am sure you share many views with him.

Hitler got his start as a regular old socialist, believed in socialized health care, etc like liberals. Oh noez.....


Do I need to go on. Everytime some newjack come here and starts this nonsensical line of thinking he gets his ass handed to him. Act accordingly. :lol::2wave:
 
He sounds like a conservative to the casual listener, that is the only point I attempted to make. And there is no denying that he got his start in the conservative movement.

SO, let me get this straight, your broad stroking of the "casual listener" is that the "casual listener" is a white supremacist?:confused:

Are you seriously entertaining coming from this premise?

You would be hard pressed to find a democratic voter who shares Phelps views, can you say the same for a republican voters and Hal Turner?

I bet I kind find all kinds of Democrat voters who share views in line with Karl Marx, Stalin, Hilter, Mussolini, etc, etc. :thumbs:

That is, if we are gonna paint broad strokes with paint brushes the size of SUVs.

I mean do we really want to go down the road of just whitewashing everyone into 2 groups like this?
 
If I believe in socialzied health care and punching puppies and killing jews. Would you say you share the same views as me?


This is dumb. Charles manson lived a communal life, I am sure you share many views with him.

Hitler got his start as a regular old socialist, believed in socialized health care, etc like liberals. Oh noez.....


Do I need to go on. Everytime some newjack come here and starts this nonsensical line of thinking he gets his ass handed to him. Act accordingly. :lol::2wave:

My ass is still exactly where it is supposed to be. The conservative movement is supposed to based on personal responsibility but they try to find any excuse, any reason to deny any given wacko was ever a conservative, ever. Take responsibility for the actions of your movement, it attracts violent hateful people and to simply re-brand them as something else is to ignore that conservative rhetoric sounds good to people who violently hate entire groups of people.
 
Time for the obligatory Phelps and Gore buddies photo. :lol:


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Time for the obligatory Phelps and Gore buddies photo. :lol:


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Ok but by 1992 he protested against Clinton and gore for their stance on Gay rights.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps]Fred Phelps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Can we agree that this guy is irresponsible and dangerous and that neither the left nor right will claim him?
 
Hmm... Fascism is an emotionally charged word that doesn't hold very much meaning these days. Really, all it takes is to call someone a "Fascist" and immediately images of nazi concentration camps crop up in the mind of the listener.

I studied italian fascism and did three reports on the subject at St. Mary's university. I'll admit, my understanding of the subject is far from that of a PhD professor's, but I do know a few things.

Italian fascism didn't get it's start as a specific political ideology, but rather a blending of extremely energetic patriotism and a glorification of conflict between nations in the form of war. At the time, Italy was not a unified nation state like england or germany, but rather a backwater amalgamation of different leaders in different areas.

It followed that the climate of the time was when other nations were undergoing rapid developments in patriotism, and there was also the whole "new world" movement that declared that the new world was about competition between nation-states.

It was under this atmosphere that italian writers picked up on the idea of a newly unified italy. The idea was reminiscent of a resurrection of the Roman Empire, and thus a resurrectioin of italian greatness.

At the time, there were many groups representing political ideologies such as marxism and liberalism(which, at the time, were diametrically opposed to each other). Historically, the rise of the fascist party happened in itally because of the lack of appeal of the other ideologicaly based groups in italy.

For example, communism appeals to downtrodden workers in a capitalistic environment. And liberalism required a much more educated populace than was current at the time to take root. Thus, neither of the major ideologies were elected to the newly unified italy 5 years later.

Fascism, on the other hand, did not appeal to an actual ideological structure as much as it appealed to sentiments of the greatness of the italian people, and the glory of war and strife. Such a populistic platform quickly gained popularity, and to make a long story short, mussolini rose to the top.

Some other aspects of italian fascism were it's reflection of mythological motifs in the modern world. This was mirrored in Nazism, with the glorification of the swastika, which was a rune used in druid-like cultures, I believe. There are other pieces of mythological imagery on the other side, as well, such as the color red and the myths of tabula rasa in communism.

But like I was saying, Fascism in itself never ammounted to a de-facto embracement of either left or right ideology. Sure, italian fascism applied what would today be called conservative capitalistic policy upon italy. But this was contingent upon the capitalistic system serving italian supremist goals and war policies. If not, mussolini had no problem with collectivising an industry to suit his needs, though this did not happen due to the police state and culture of fear in the country.

Now then, I do not think we should be wary of fascism as an ideology, but it is without a doubt harmful to american democracy to believe in the supremacy of one group over the other, as well as to believe in the elimination of minority rights, both of which were aspects of italian fascism.

Both this conservative talk-radio host and the democratic Fred phelps seem to identify with just such populistic and harmful diatribes. I would not want either one of them to have much sway in the government.

It is important, however, to allow minority rights, which is the basis of a democratic system. That is the inherent danger in allowing the common people to decide who get's elected and who doesn't. Because it is perfectly legal and possible to elect people like Fred phelps into office. The danger is always there, and that is an inevitable consequence of allowing minority rights.

I think, thus, that it is important to allow conservative talk show hosts to speak their mind, even if they are in the minority. There is always the danger that their ideologies will become the majority. But that is what america is about: debate, and supporting the right of opponents to express alternate views. It is a serious undermining of democratic processes to arrest someone for speaking an alternative viewpoint.

And while I understand that he was inciting violence, it would be very easy for the politicians in power to eliminate any radio host or dissenter under the pretext that some people might take it as a call to violence.​
 
My ass is still exactly where it is supposed to be. The conservative movement is supposed to based on personal responsibility but they try to find any excuse, any reason to deny any given wacko was ever a conservative, ever. Take responsibility for the actions of your movement, it attracts violent hateful people and to simply re-brand them as something else is to ignore that conservative rhetoric sounds good to people who violently hate entire groups of people.

OK then...you do the same by taking responsibility for Fred Phelps, who claims to be a democrat. :shrug:
 
OK then...you do the same by taking responsibility for Fred Phelps, who claims to be a democrat. :shrug:

John Wayne Gacy was a Democratic poll captain, too.
 
Oh and David Duke. He was a democrat, too, when he started out. And let's not forget Governor Wallace. How about Cindy Sheehan. Hell, how about all of your Code Pinkers? I wonder how many eco terrorists identify as democrats?

The list could go on.
 
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