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Her name was Neda - in death she is rallying cry for Iranian protests

That wouldnt explain the blood coming from her nose

This is true, but you CAN make liquid come out of your nose. The blood amount that was on the ground shows a through and through. If that's a heart shot that killed her as claimed, she dies instantly and blood ceases to "flow". Did you see all the blood under her?

Yeah, that's a LOT of blood folks, and suddenly it's flowing out of her face?

Not buying it.
 
Obama said himself he was a Muslim I head him say it so keep your lies to yourselves. Keeping quiet while paople die is a nice tactic Neville Chamberlain lovers. Why are some of you and Obama affraid to speak out against repression and want to take the cowards way out.
Biden said he'd be tested and so far he has failed at every turn when he isn't failing he's lying. I never liked the obviously inept fool but I wanted him to succeed because when he fails the Nation fails and so far he is an embarrassment around the worl with his only support coming from a bunch of pansies and panty waists with no back bone or guts.
There is no way that cow towing to his religious leaders helps anyone but his fellow Muslim friends, and his standing in the his home land and that is not here.

Let's tryhonesty for a change. Candidate Obama was being sarcastic in that pat of the interview and was putting down idiots who actually believe that he is a Muslin. You may remember some of them like that freaked out moron woman in a red sweather with frizey hair who told McCAIN at a McCain rally
that Obamawas an 'A Rab".
 
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It's called I'm taking a position, I posted the pics that lead me to believe this video is sadly (for the cause of fighting the mullahs repression) a fake, and it will hurt the rebels in the long run.
I realize you're taking a position. However, I do not see in the pictures the support you believe to be there.

My position is it is real.
 
So you claim it is fake 100% then right? Again, how are you a video expert, even I say it might not be true, but I am not like you saying it is FAKE.

You could say you THINK it is fake, but you didn't say that, you said it is FAKE ABSOLUTELY. So when did you become the vidoe expert?

Sigh. Quit trolling TNE. It's MY ****ING OPINION YOU WORTHLESS ****, that the video is faked by the evidence I have presented and I gave my reasoning for it.

I did not once say I was a ****ING VIDEO EXPERT so back the **** down and go troll elsewhere.
 
IMO, the video is authentic. After all, there is more than one such video that was shot. According to The Washington Post:

Update: The woman is being called "Neda" and her image is becoming a symbol of Iran's brutality against its own people. Her name is already a trending topic on Twitter. There are now at least two separate videos of her death on YouTube.

That multiple videos of the incident exist makes it less likely that the original video is not authentic.


True, and I lean towards agreement with you. It certainly appears authentic from what I can see. Incredibly sad, and I can't begin to imagine what her Dad went through as she died in his arms if indeed it is real :(
 
I realize you're taking a position. However, I do not see in the pictures the support you believe to be there.

My position is it is real.

Fair enough...

Wait, let me put my TNE hat on..

"Oh you think it's real? Since when did YOU become a video expert?"
 
This is true, but you CAN make liquid come out of your nose. The blood amount that was on the ground shows a through and through. If that's a heart shot that killed her as claimed, she dies instantly and blood ceases to "flow". Did you see all the blood under her?

Yeah, that's a LOT of blood folks, and suddenly it's flowing out of her face?

Not buying it.

If the bullet passed through her I could understand blood underneath her.

You need to remember that for snipping they do not use the low velocity ak-47 but most likely the SVD dv98 both with much higher muzzle velocity than the 47 .
 
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This is true, but you CAN make liquid come out of your nose. The blood amount that was on the ground shows a through and through. If that's a heart shot that killed her as claimed, she dies instantly and blood ceases to "flow". Did you see all the blood under her?

Yeah, that's a LOT of blood folks, and suddenly it's flowing out of her face?

Not buying it.

The simplest conclusion when evidence is presented is usually the correct one. In this case the simplest conclusion is that the event is real, based on the reaction of the people, based on the video evidence and the secondary sources.
 
The simplest conclusion when evidence is presented is usually the correct one. In this case the simplest conclusion is that the event is real, based on the reaction of the people, based on the video evidence and the secondary sources.

It's two videos, have you watched them?

I have, ran em side by side, the long 40 second one seems the more fake, the second shorter up close seems more real.
 
This is true, but you CAN make liquid come out of your nose. The blood amount that was on the ground shows a through and through. If that's a heart shot that killed her as claimed, she dies instantly and blood ceases to "flow". Did you see all the blood under her?

Yeah, that's a LOT of blood folks, and suddenly it's flowing out of her face?

Not buying it.
Heart shots are not "instant kills", especially if the bullet actually transects the aorta and/or pulmonary artery rather than damaging the cardiac muscle itself.

Given that a moderate velocity round would go completely through a person, the amount of blood is not unusual.
 
Sigh. Quit trolling TNE. It's MY ****ING OPINION YOU WORTHLESS ****, that the video is faked by the evidence I have presented and I gave my reasoning for it.

I did not once say I was a ****ING VIDEO EXPERT so back the **** down and go troll elsewhere.

Per your OWN QUOTE:

No, it's fake as hell now that' I've seen the frame by frame pics.

So obvisouly you think you are an expert to claim such a thing 100%.

You claimed it IS a fake, not that you think it is.
 
Ifthe bullet passed through her I could understand blood underneath her.

I agree, however, I could not buy the blood flowing so from her face.

If her lungs are filling with blood, that drops her blood pressure, she's losing blood out the front and back wounds... note the blood is pooled at her feet.

She is laid down and it's coming out her nose and mouth...

I know, the explanation is that the people helping are applying pressure that is forcing the blood out her face. People untrained in 1st Aid tend to react poorly in emergencies, doubly so when it's a loved one or friend.

HOWEVER, I just think this video is too "perfect" for emotional draw, there are other video's of dead Iranians, why is this one so dramatic, and plays so well?
 
First off, when you see her eyes become unfocused, it isn't because she's in shock, it's because she has started to bleed out. I've seen several victims with chest wounds, more than a few had oral and nasal bleeding. She literally drowned on her own blood while bleeding to death.
 
Per your OWN QUOTE:



So obvisouly you think you are an expert to claim such a thing 100%.

You claimed it IS a fake, not that you think it is.

He stated his opinion. I believe that's still allowed here. Nowhere did he say he was a video expert. Lighten up, Francis.
 
Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=cYr2_V6R2xM

It appears to be authentic, but no one can say for sure. There is no sponge or cloth brought near to her face; it was the father's hand. A GSW to the heart can and will result in blood emanating from any orifice that is involved in respiration - the mouth, the nose. The father can be heard screaming and waling, this seems to further authenticate the video. Just my two cents...
 
He stated his opinion. I believe that's still allowed here. Nowhere did he say he was a video expert. Lighten up, Francis.

When you claim something IS, you do not claim an opinion you claim it as a fact. If you think something, you say I THINK.

Sorry it is the English language, sorry that escapes you.
 
Per your OWN QUOTE:



So obvisouly you think you are an expert to claim such a thing 100%.

You claimed it IS a fake, not that you think it is.

Quit trolling TNE.

I'm STRONGLY asserting that it is FAKE and it's IMPLIEDthat it's my opinion, you are so stuck on trying to catch people in "gotcha" moments that you rank as one of the most pathetic posters on this forum. "Well you said it THIS way so OBVIOUSLY you are saying..."

And you ignore anything else the person has to say till they admit to your sorry ass, and that your pathetic ego is stoked by their admitting your CHILDISH little ****ing point.

Go suck an egg.
 
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HOWEVER, I just think this video is too "perfect" for emotional draw, there are other video's of dead Iranians, why is this one so dramatic, and plays so well?
It's called dumb luck. The stuff Pulitzer Prize photos are generally made of.
 
Quit trolling TNE.

I'm STRONGLY asserting that it is FAKE and it's IMPLIEDthat it's my opinion, you are so stuck on trying to catch people in "gotcha" moments that you rank as one of the most pathetic posters on this forum. "Well you said it THIS way so OBVIOUSLY you are saying..."

And you ignore anything else the person has to say till they admit your sorry ass, pathetic ego is stocked by their admitting your CHILDISH little ****ing point.

Go suck an egg.

Sorry you got caught in YOUR OWN QUOTE.
You're not even man enough to admit you made a mistake in YOUR OWN QUOTE.

Sad that "Go suck an egg" is your best quip to positing out YOUR ERROR.
 
First off, when you see her eyes become unfocused, it isn't because she's in shock, it's because she has started to bleed out. I've seen several victims with chest wounds, more than a few had oral and nasal bleeding. She literally drowned on her own blood while bleeding to death.
Point is, the video is in all probability authentic.
 
First off, when you see her eyes become unfocused, it isn't because she's in shock, it's because she has started to bleed out. I've seen several victims with chest wounds, more than a few had oral and nasal bleeding. She literally drowned on her own blood while bleeding to death.

The massive bleed out results in near instantaneous shock, most of the time.
 
I agree, however, I could not buy the blood flowing so from her face.

If her lungs are filling with blood, that drops her blood pressure, she's losing blood out the front and back wounds... note the blood is pooled at her feet.?

No. Actually, it looks, based upon the bright red color of the blood and its location, that the bullet hit both her aorta and her esophagus. The blood would be leaving the heart with a great deal of force, the lungs fill up, and then there is nowhere for the blood to go but up the esophagus and out the mouth/nose.
 
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When you claim something IS, you do not claim an opinion you claim a fact. If you think something, you say I THINK.

Sorry it is the English language, sorry that escapes you.

It's pretty easy to tell when one is giving their opinion. I understand the English language perfectly well, and I always knew Mr. V was giving his opinion on this issue. Let me remind you that I wasn't the one that went off the deep end shrieking about whether he was a video expert or not.
 
It's called dumb luck. The stuff Pulitzer Prize photos are generally made of.

I won't argue that, and I admit, I could be wrong, for many reasons I HOPE I am. But I am also skeptical of internet video's.

Remember that BS Palestinian kid dying in his dads arms? Yeah, it was faked.

Eight years ago, the world stopped by the horror vision of a man and his son being caught in the middle of fire between Israeli and Palestinians. The man was wounded and his son was allegedly killed by the Israeli forces.
After some research, a documentary came out showing that this event was totally staged by the Palestinian fighters and their journalist counter-parts to sell a twisted vision of the conflict.

Nowadays, the use of leftist media outlets (CNN, Reuters, etc) as proxies of the terror networks are common ground, but it seems that something emerged from the surface from time to time, afterall. H/T Little Green Footballs

Boy's death on video is a fake, blog says
Published: Jan. 13, 2009 at 8:27 PM
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WASHINGTON, Jan. 13 (UPI) -- A video of a 12-year-old boy allegedly killed in Gaza by an Israeli drone-fired missile, aired on CNN, is a fake, U.S. bloggers claim.
Dramatic video shot by the boy's older brother shows doctors trying to save the boy, his grieving family and the first part of a burial, IsraelNN.com reported. The family said the boy and a 14-year-old cousin were playing on their roof when they were by a missile fired by an Israeli drone supplied by the United States.
But IsraelNN.com said Charles Johnson 's U.S. blog Little Green Footballs uncovered several alleged discrepancies:
The family did not say how it knew a drone was involved, and no family member claimed to have witnessed the attack; doctors were massaging the child's stomach lightly, instead of vigorously massaging his chest; the boy was supposedly wounded everywhere by shrapnel, but there were no visible wounds on his head; and the rooftop on which he was purportedly killed showed only a small amount of damage.
CNN is standing by the report, IsraelNN said. The Israeli military said it had no knowledge of the incident.
swimming against the red tide: Another Faked "Death" of Palestinian Boy?

You can find other sources with a quick google.
 
The massive bleed out results in near instantaneous shock, most of the time.

Yeah, but Vicchio is under the impression that a victim who's hit in the heart is cognizant enough to mug for the camera. People hit in those regions bleed out so fast that they are gone in seconds. When her eyes became unfocused, it was because she'd lost consciousness and then died.

I, frankly, wish I didn't know what it looks like when people die.
 
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