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France considers banning the burqa

Freedom of religion is important, but not when it impacts "secularist" society?

Is secularist society so fragile that it cannot withstand the presence of God?

Says a lot about the quality of secularist society, non?

No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

Paul
 
No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.
So secularism is more important than religion? No. This is wrong.

It does not damage society for a free people to make free display of their religious beliefs. It does not give offense to any secular notion for a woman to show the modesty commander her by her religion. It does not give offense to any secular ideal for men to proclaim their devotion in public spaces.

Any assertion to the contrary is flatly, categorically, and completely in error.
 
No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

Paul

You are branding religion as those made of superstitions and metaphysical entities that have yet to be proven through empirical analysis... (and that this the very soul of Religion, and not of it's alternative)

Your branding is horribly wrong. Even secularism requires the belief in a system; the infallibility of that system and it's superior legitimacy than the anti-thesis of secularism.

Basically. Takes as much faith to denounce a God, as it does to believe in It.
 
No, nothing to do with fragility. If a society deems encroachment upon secularist principles it has the right to deflect unwanted intrusiveness.

Paul

I'm sorry but could you please explain how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a Burqa is encroaching upon a secularist society?
 
So secularism is more important than religion? No. This is wrong.

It does not damage society for a free people to make free display of their religious beliefs. It does not give offense to any secular notion for a woman to show the modesty commander her by her religion. It does not give offense to any secular ideal for men to proclaim their devotion in public spaces.

Any assertion to the contrary is flatly, categorically, and completely in error.

Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

Paul.
 
Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

Paul.

Again you fail to answer how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a burqa is encroaching on a secularist society.

Do you feel that a person that wears a baseball cap willingly encroaches on a secularist society?
 
Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

Paul.

There is always an element of servitude. It is a human characteristic.

Remember religion is the reflection of culture and nothing more and nothing less.
 
I'm sorry but could you please explain how a woman that WILLINGLY puts on a Burqa is encroaching upon a secularist society?

Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

Paul
 
Religious beliefs are often not free. You must understand this fundamental. Subjugation is often behind the persuasive power.
Conversely there will obviously be an element of servitude.

Paul.
Religious subjugation in France?:roll:

Muslim theocratic oppression.....in France?:roll:

France.

errr.....yeah. That's a persuasive argument!:roll::roll::roll:
 
Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

Paul

So does a christian who doesn't eat meat on Good Friday, because they are not permitted to by religion, encroaching on secular society?

You don't understand the term willing, do you?
 
There is always an element of servitude. It is a human characteristic.

Remember religion is the reflection of culture and nothing more and nothing less.

TO simplistic. Culture is diversity not a singular belief.

Paul
 
Encountering a fully veiled women who is 'NOT PERMITTED' to look you in the eye for religious reasons, encroaches on secular belief.

Paul
And whose belief is encroached?

Not the woman--she chooses to wear the burqa just as she chooses to look at something besides your ugly mug.

Not you--because you can still look at your ugly mug any time you pass by a mirror.

So whose belief is encroached here?
 
TO simplistic. Culture is diversity not a singular belief.

Paul



I never said culture is a singular belief, nor did I say religion is a singular belief.

Religion is just as complex as culture is. Religion dictates one how to live (dietary habits, fashion, how you treat your women).
 
So does a christian who doesn't eat meat on Good Friday, because they are not permitted to by religion, encroaching on secular society?

You don't understand the term willing, do you?

your displaying a disingenuous approach. You eat in the confines of your own home, or restaurant, hence NO impact on society.

The wearing of conflictual attire presents confrontation.

Paul
 
The wearing of conflictual attire presents confrontation.

Paul

Umm it is a CHOICE what a person wears. IF they WILLINGLY put on a Burqa how are they encroaching on society if they choose to wear it?

You fail to come up with a logical reasoning.

If you are saying they are encroaching because their religion says they have to then you have to say EQUALLY that a Christain that can't eat meat on Good Friday because of their religion is encroaching on society.

Tell me, do you feel women should be FORCED to wear bikinis because you can't see all their body? If not, why do you dictate what they can and can't wear?

YOU are in fact encroaching ON THEIR beliefs when you have no reason to do so.

Fine, make it so they can't wear it in a federal building, but that has NOTHING to do with what they wear in public.
 
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And whose belief is encroached?

Not the woman--she chooses to wear the burqa just as she chooses to look at something besides your ugly mug.

Not you--because you can still look at your ugly mug any time you pass by a mirror.

So whose belief is encroached here?


You missed the point [like i expected] choice is often non existent.

Paul
 
Umm it is a CHOICE what a person wears. IF they WILLINGLY put on a Burqa how are they encroaching on society if they choose to wear it?

You fail to come up with a logical reasoning.

If you are saying they are encroaching because their religion says they have to then you have to say EQUALLY that a Christain that can't eat meat on Good Friday because of their religion is encroaching on society.

Tell me, do you feel women should be FORCED to wear bikinis because you can't see all their body? If not, why do you dictate what they can and can't wear?

YOU are in fact encroaching ON THEIR beliefs when you have no reason to do so.

Fine, make it so they can't wear it in a federal building, but that has NOTHING to do with what they wear in public.

I,m not going to start a History lesson in customs, beliefs of middle eastern or Muslim women. But once again believe choice has little relevance.

Paul
 
your displaying a disingenuous approach. You eat in the confines of your own home, or restaurant, hence NO impact on society.

The wearing of conflictual attire presents confrontation.

Paul
Let me get this straight. If a good Catholic REFUSES to eat a cheeseburger in front of you because he gave up Burger King for Lent, this impacts society?
 
I,m not going to start a History lesson in customs, beliefs of middle eastern or Muslim women. But once again believe choice has little relevance.

Paul

So you have no logic and you just hate Muslims and want to impose your personal will on them just for spite, got it.
 
You missed the point [like i expected] choice is often non existent.

Paul
Where in France is this hotbed of Islamic repression? Are French muslim men running around stapling burqas to their womens' heads?
 
Let me get this straight. If a good Catholic REFUSES to eat a cheeseburger in front of you because he gave up Burger King for Lent, this impacts society?

NO. this infringement will bare into insignificance, because who will notice?

The last time i looked Catholics didn't have a sign imprinted on there forehead, or wore distinguishing clothes.

Paul
 
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