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U.S. House votes overwhelmingly for Iranian resolution

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U.S. House votes overwhelmingly for Iranian resolution - CNN.com

The U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved a resolution Friday that says it supports "all Iranians who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties and the rule of law."

1 of 3 The resolution was approved by 405 lawmakers, while one -- Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas -- voted against it. Two others, Reps. Brad Ellsworth, D-Indiana, and Dave Loebsack, D-Iowa, voted "present."

Speaking shortly after the resolution passed, Pence called it a message from Americans to the Iranian people.

"As Americans have done throughout our history, this Congress today, on behalf of the American people, has spoken a word of heartfelt support to all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties and the rule of law," he said.

He urged U.S. senators to support the identical resolution that Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, introduced Friday.
 
Right on...from my post in the "Iran Riots" thread, here is the House language.

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 560

Expressing support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

JUNE 18, 2009

Mr. BERMAN (for himself and Mr. PENCE) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs


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RESOLUTION

Expressing support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law, and for other purposes.

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) expresses its support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law;

(2) condemns the ongoing violence against demonstrators by the Government of Iran and pro-government militias, as well as the ongoing government suppression of independent electronic communication through interference with the Internet and cellphones; and

(3) affirms the universality of individual rights and the importance of democratic and fair elections.
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I wonder why Ron Paul voted against it?
 
stekim said:
If he thinks that, I understand why he voted against it. I would too if I thought that.
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What is the point of such legislation if it isn't to influence internal affairs of a sovereign nation?
 
ARealConservative said:
What is the point of such legislation if it isn't to influence internal affairs of a sovereign nation?
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Because it takes tax payer dollars for Congress to verbally support events.




Evidently...:roll:
 
stekim said:
If he thinks that, I understand why he voted against it. I would too if I thought that.
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Yep, and good for Paul. Of course this will be used against him based on misinformation.
 
There is a difference between morally and verbally supporting freedom, and interventionism involving U.S. forces and dollars.
 
ARealConservative said:
What is the point of such legislation if it isn't to influence internal affairs of a sovereign nation?
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That is not the same as intervention. What we did with the Shah is intervention. What we did to aid Saddam against Iran when Saddam was our buddy and all around good dictator is intervention. Merely stating that you support Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law is not intervention. But like I said, if he views it as such I may disagree, but I can admire the consistency of his views in that regard. Likewise, CNN getting the word out is not intervention. It's merely support for free speech.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
There is a difference between morally and verbally supporting freedom, and interventionism involving U.S. forces and dollars.
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So Congress was working for free when they passed this resolution? Cool!
About time.
 
johnjoel said:
Because it takes tax payer dollars for Congress to verbally support events.




Evidently...:roll:
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Sorry, but I don't really understand what you're saying to reply to it adequately.

Personally, I find our election system to be a joke so I find it ridiculous that we are spending time in the house penning legislation to smear another nation.

Those entrenched in our two party system uses every power at their disposal to circumvent free and fair elections.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
There is a difference between morally and verbally supporting freedom, and interventionism involving U.S. forces and dollars.
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As good as I feel about this move, I feel that it is rather pointless. The U.S. will not act to support an uprising in Iran, and if the protesters count on such support by feeling this is implied through the message, and as Khameni promised, violent oppression occurs with no U.S. help, then anti-U.S. sentiment in the country will surely rise.
 
johnjoel said:
So Congress was working for free when they passed this resolution? Cool!
About time.
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Congress is in session now. They are getting paid the same thing whether they pass no resolutions or 5,000 of them. They do not get paid per resolution, so your comment literally makes no sense. .
 
stekim said:
Congress is in session now. They are getting paid the same thing whether they pass no resolutions or 5,000 of them. They do not get paid per resolution, so your comment literally makes no sense. .
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mental note to never let you run a company with limited resources.
 
ARealConservative said:
mental note to never let you run a company with limited resources.
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Not sure what you mean. They are on salary. They get paid $137,000 or whatever per year. They are now in session. This cost the taxpayers the same as if they all sat there doing nothing. Big ****ing deal. Well, they did use a piece of paper to jot it all down. If that is your big outrage I think your focus is a bit off.
 
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tlmorg02 said:
As good as I feel about this move, I feel that it is rather pointless. The U.S. will not act to support an uprising in Iran, and if the protesters count on such support by feeling this is implied through the message, and as Khameni promised, violent oppression occurs with no U.S. help, then anti-U.S. sentiment in the country will surely rise.
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I don't think that's the intention, and this is something that Iranians were asking for, verbal support from other countries for fair elections and against attacking non-violent protesters.
 
stekim said:
Not sure what you mean. They are on salary. They get paid $137,000 or whatever per year. They are now in session. This cost the taxpayers the same as if they all sat there doing nothing. Big ****ing deal.
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There are no funds attached to this measure, and it keeps them busy. I say it's a good thing. Anything that keeps them from passing new laws, particularly with funds attached, is a positive.
 
stekim said:
Congress is in session now. They are getting paid the same thing whether they pass no resolutions or 5,000 of them. They do not get paid per resolution, so your comment literally makes no sense. .
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I am fully aware of this. However it doesn't take wasting tax payer dollars and time to say something. You just say it. What doesn't make sense is adding bureaucracy to a comment. If that makes sense, then there is no sense.

I suppose Paul was twiddling his thumbs in wait of a real issue.

America stands by the citizens of Iran, for justice, for peace.

There you can have that one for free. Sign it -THE USA.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
There are no funds attached to this measure, and it keeps them busy. I say it's a good thing. Anything that keeps them from passing new laws, particularly with funds attached, is a positive.
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That's why I generally like resolutions. They are mostly harmless, they are not laws, and they cost us nothing. What's the downside? Unless, of course, they are calling a special session and rushing to DC to vote, thereby racking up travel expenses, I fail to see the issue.
 
stekim said:
Not sure what you mean. They are on salary. They get paid $137,000 or whatever per year. They are now in session. This cost the taxpayers the same as if they all sat there doing nothing. Big ****ing deal. Well, they did use a piece of paper to jot it all down. If that is your big outrage I think your focus is a bit off.
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time is money is the point.

The only reason this isn't the same is I find congressional activity to be damaging in general, so I don't really want them to get to other things, but the reality is by taking up this, they are tabling something else they are actually paid to do.

If I were to hire you and found you were spending time conducting a fantasy football draft, would you say, big deal, it's not costing you any money? Salary is salary, right?
 
johnjoel said:
I am fully aware of this. However it doesn't take wasting tax payer dollars and time to say something. You just say it. What doesn't make sense is adding bureaucracy to a comment. If that makes sense, then there is no sense.
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What tax payer money was used here other than the money that is used paying them a salary they get no matter what? If you want to gripe about that I'm onboard. But this resolution cost the taxpayer $0 additional dollars. Which you should like. How often does Congress cost us nothing?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
They pass resolutions every day. This is better than most.
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That is a matter of opinion. They could have said nothing and it would have the same impact.

"...embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties and the rule of law."

Well duh...were Americans. The only people we really need to remind of these values... is us.
 
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