Obama refuses to 'meddle' in Iran

Caine · Jun 17, 2009

Triad said:
NOo we should film the slaughter and say how we just couldn't do anything about it.

Isn't that better. then being Americans?....oh yes becasue the USA is a meddling hate nation!.

Maybe you'll get a snapshot of a man being run over by a tank out of this..you know something to put on the fridge for the kids.

Yes We Can :2sick1:

Well why don't you get off your ass and go mettle then.

I love it how our great nation's people love to volunteer our military forces to get involved in **** that doesn't have jack to do with the security of our nation.

Triad · Jun 17, 2009

I did my time over a decade ago.
Ironically the US was expressing suport for the rioters in Lithuania,, Latvia, Estonia at the time...30 minutes we all die but we stood behind them publicly and vocally behind them.

I love how you guys always go for personal attempts to defame when your positions are so what?... as easy as nothing?

BTW I hope you don't express any opinion you haven't gotten off your ass on to do something directly about..or you might be like everyone else on the forum..stating opinion.....:doh

I assume both you and redress agree that the USA should be fighiting the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan ..correct?
Well then..ruck up soldier!
What oh....yeah so drop that crap.

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The USA should be publicly supporting the protestors in Iran and searching for ways to expand this into an overthrow of the theocracy.

Obama is stating the US isn't interested in the protestors..it wants talks with the despots.

Obama is going to respond to a massacre with 'you bad Iran' ..and 6 months-year later be all smiles in a photo op with the murderers.

Caine · Jun 17, 2009

Triad said:
I love how you guys always go for personal attempts to defame when your positions are so what?... as easy as nothing?

We should let them do this on their own. I can only imagine what it would be like with US Support, and expectations of paying us back in one way or another. Personally I agree with President Bushs's original notion (which he later reneged on due to 9/11) that we shouldn't be involved in "nation building".

BTW I hope you don't express any opinion you haven't gotten off your ass on to do something directly about..or you might be like everyone else on the forum..stating opinion.....:doh

I assume both you and redress agree that the USA should be fighiting the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan ..correct?
Well then..ruck up soldier!
What oh....yeah so drop that crap.

Been there done that got the battle scars to prove it. Any other assumptions you want to make about me?

Obama is going to respond to a massacre with 'you bad Iran' ..and 6 months-year later be all smiles in a photo op with the murderers.

Diplomacy is a bitch isn't it?

Triad · Jun 17, 2009

Caine said:
Been there done that got the battle scars to prove it. Any other assumptions you want to make about me?

You missed the overall point.
The two statements are independent.
The first am saying-
Nobody here is president, senator, congressman, general, pakistani warlord, chinese shopper, south korean protestor, marriage activist, nuclear activist, Osama...etc...etc..
Yet most have opinions they state on all those things.

My second point was to drive that example home with an example. By citing something I'm sure both of you support yet neither of you are doing now.

Cobbling the two together directly will miss the point.

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We should let them do this on their own. I can only imagine what it would be like with US Support, and expectations of paying us back in one way or another. Personally I agree with President Bushs's original notion (which he later reneged on due to 9/11) that we shouldn't be involved in "nation building".

Then it will fail and the USA will have done nothing.

Diplomacy is a bitch isn't it?

Thats just it.. All he cares about is diplomacy.
..he'll sell out anyone and any US principle for a photo op.

Agent Ferris · Jun 17, 2009

Redress said:
So what is your plan, other than to complain?

We could lend direct or indirect financial, logistical, and armament support to the opposition groups. There are numerous armed resistance organizations against the current theocrats in Iran, but they will need foreign backing if they are to be successful. I doubt a velvet revolution will work against the Mullahs.

Catz Part Deux · Jun 17, 2009

Kissinger: Obama has done the right thing by not meddling.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Kissinger: 'Turning point' for Iran

F107HyperSabr · Jun 17, 2009

I think that President Obama started to wish that he never said thsi paraphrased ditty a few nano seconds after he said it = "not be much difference between the policies of President Ahmadinejad and rival Mir Hossein Mousavi"

He is most likely right on target with that sentance but that was diplomatically a FUBAR!!

Agent Ferris · Jun 17, 2009

F107HyperSabr said:
I think that President Obama started to wish that he never said thsi paraphrased ditty a few nano seconds after he said it = "not be much difference between the policies of President Ahmadinejad and rival Mir Hossein Mousavi"

He is most likely right on target with that sentance but that was diplomatically a FUBAR!!

But it's spot on, and from what I can garner the protests have moved out of the realm of simple support for Mousavi but, also, a condemnation of the theocrats who actually run the show as well.

youknowwho · Jun 18, 2009

ahmadinejad is only a representative of himself. not his people. obama can talk with him all he wants. I bet he would give his personal phone number to obama too; but please, for god's sake, don't consider that direct talks with Iran!

Erod · Jun 18, 2009

Obama translation: "I gave a great speech in Cairo to meddle with the election, and dammit, it didn't do anything. Since I don't know how to do anything but give teleprompter speeches, I guess I won't be meddling no mo'."

Scorpion89 · Jun 18, 2009

No Mr. Obama is sending the wrong message as usual he shoul dbe up front and saying that the election wasa faurd and that the People of Iran have the full United States Support and he calls on the Mullahs to set aside the election and free all who have been arrested. If not then the United State will start looking at putting real pressure on Iran by placing them back on the State Spouncer Terrorist List put pressure on their friends IE China/Russian/Middle East Countrys to either back the US on this or face the fact we will hold these Countries accountable by placing restriction on Trade and Travel.

The Jovial One · Jun 18, 2009

I know our neocon friends would really LOVE to BOMB someone, but since EVERY Foreign Policy EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT has CLEARLY stated that Obama's tact on the situation is the RIGHT one, I'm hoping we'll just let the GROWNUPS decide what to do this time.

Scorpion89 · Jun 18, 2009

The Jovial One said:
I know our neocon friends would really LOVE to BOMB someone, but since EVERY Foreign Policy EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT has CLEARLY stated that Obama's tact on the situation is the RIGHT one, I'm hoping we'll just let the GROWNUPS decide what to do this time.

Wow JovialOne-

Question are you that Bitter over Mr. Bush huh because the discussion in this thread is about how Mr. Obama hasn't done the correct thing by taking a far more public stance against the fraud that is happing in Iran.

Oh and not allow so-called Foreign Policy Experts are saying he is doing the correct thing

But then again what do you expect from a President who Bow's to the Saudi King huh.

Triad · Jun 18, 2009

"yea, though I walk through the the valley of the shadow of death. I shall fear no evil, for thou art with me."

Obama is not with you..and sadly that means the USA is not with you.

Go home Iranians before you suffer and become nothing but a boost in ratings for news outlets....or worse nothing more then a "speech"

Triad · Jun 18, 2009

The Jovial One said:
I know our neocon friends would really LOVE to BOMB someone, but since EVERY Foreign Policy EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT has CLEARLY stated that Obama's tact on the situation is the RIGHT one, I'm hoping we'll just let the GROWNUPS decide what to do this time.

Stop making ridiculous claims.

“Up until now, the president had very thoughtfully calibrated his remarks on Iran, but this was an uncharacteristic and egregious error,” said Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “People are risking their lives and being slaughtered in the streets because they want fundamental change in the way Iran is governed. Our message to them shouldn’t be that it doesn’t make much difference to the United States.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18prexy.html?ref=politics

The Jovial One · Jun 18, 2009

Scorpion89 said:
Wow JovialOne-

Question are you that Bitter over Mr. Bush huh because the discussion in this thread is about how Mr. Obama hasn't done the correct thing by taking a far more public stance against the fraud that is happing in Iran.

Oh and not allow so-called Foreign Policy Experts are saying he is doing the correct thing

But then again what do you expect from a President who Bow's to the Saudi King huh.

More than from the President who KISSED and HELD HANDS with him, I guess...

And now... name a RESPECTED foreign policy expert who says we should be doing anything differently than Obama is doing.

Scorpion89 · Jun 18, 2009

The Jovial One said:
And now... name a RESPECTED foreign policy expert who says we should be doing anything differently than Obama is doing.

Karim Sadjadpour well respect Iranian Expert that both Dems and rep have sought advice from

Canadian foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton

Triad · Jun 18, 2009

WASHINGTON — As tens of thousands of Iranian protesters take to the streets in defiance of the government in Tehran, officials in Washington are debating whether President Obama’s response to Iran’s disputed election has been too muted.

Mr. Obama is coming under increased pressure from Republicans and other conservatives who say he should take a more visible stance in support of the protesters.

Even while supporting the president’s approach, senior members of the administration, including Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, would like to strike a stronger tone in support of the protesters, administration officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us...l?ref=politics

Some murmurs of dissention within the administration about Obamas muted response.

WillRockwell · Jun 18, 2009

Scorpion89 said:
No Mr. Obama is sending the wrong message as usual he shoul dbe up front and saying that the election wasa faurd and that the People of Iran have the full United States Support and he calls on the Mullahs to set aside the election and free all who have been arrested. If not then the United State will start looking at putting real pressure on Iran by placing them back on the State Spouncer Terrorist List put pressure on their friends IE China/Russian/Middle East Countrys to either back the US on this or face the fact we will hold these Countries accountable by placing restriction on Trade and Travel.

It doesn't even occur to you that if we did that, the issue would be the US, not the fraud. This is exactly the kind of bonehead mistake Bush would have made. The last thing we need is to become The Great Satan again, but advice like this would certainly cause that to happen.

Scorpion89 · Jun 18, 2009

WillRockwell said:
It doesn't even occur to you that if we did that, the issue would be the US, not the fraud. This is exactly the kind of bonehead mistake Bush would have made. The last thing we need is to become The Great Satan again, but advice like this would certainly cause that to happen.

No it wouldn't I guess you must have missed Mr. Reagans speech in Berlin in 1987 words are very powerful

Caine · Jun 18, 2009

The Jovial One said:
More than from the President who KISSED and HELD HANDS with him, I guess...

And now... name a RESPECTED foreign policy expert who says we should be doing anything differently than Obama is doing.

Ummmm......

WTF does this thread have to do about Bush....... (again I must ask this stupid question).

Scorpion89 · Jun 18, 2009

Caine said:
Ummmm......

WTF does this thread have to do about Bush....... (again I must ask this stupid question).

I can answer that one Caine in one of my post I mention that Mr. Obama bowed to the King so I guess I'm guilty sorry. :doh

RightinNYC · Jun 18, 2009

The Jovial One said:
More than from the President who KISSED and HELD HANDS with him, I guess...

And now... name a RESPECTED foreign policy expert who says we should be doing anything differently than Obama is doing.

If you're going to post off-topic pictures, please do so with ones that aren't photoshopped so ****tily.

Caine · Jun 18, 2009

Scorpion89 said:
I can answer that one Caine in one of my post I mention that Mr. Obama bowed to the King so I guess I'm guilty sorry. :doh

And what does that act by Obama (expressly mentioned in the OP) have to do with Bush (not mentioned until this jovial guy comes in here)?

Caine · Jun 18, 2009

RightinNYC said:
If you're going to post off-topic pictures, please do so with ones that aren't photoshopped so ****tily.

That is what I thought too when I saw it.

I mean, seriously, the King's mustache appears to be a part of Mr. Bush's nose.

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