Palin Dodges Talk of Running for Governor Again

Well to get back on topic,

Who care if she has or hasn't made up her mind if she wants to run for re-election in 2010 it's not our decision it is her and her family's. Unless all of you have now become part of her Family:roll:

F107HyperSabr said:

By infrastructure projects do you mean that all shopping for free clothes she did during her run to ruin McCain chances doesn't count as an "infrastructure project".

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That may be the infrastructure project that Jall is referring to. We'll have to wait for his response...:mrgreen:

Scorpion89 said:

Well to get back on topic,

Who care if she has or hasn't made up her mind if she wants to run for re-election in 2010 it's not our decision it is her and her family's. Unless all of you have now become part of her Family:roll:

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Scorp..her term runs out next year..what is she waiting for?

Scorpion89 said:

Well to get back on topic,

Who care if she has or hasn't made up her mind if she wants to run for re-election in 2010 it's not our decision it is her and her family's. Unless all of you have now become part of her Family:roll:

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Scorp..her term runs out next year..what is she waiting for?

By the way those responses were on topic..we are discussing Jalls ascertions as to why Palins deserves to be reelected by the people of Alaska.

goldendog said:

Yes you are right Jall they are people like everybody else. In fact they are the native people that were there before you or anybody else was imported there. They are not asking for handouts. They are asking for compensation for people taking this pipeline through THEIR lands. How about gay people just shut the hell up and get with the program and quit demanding equal rights? The role of a "proper American" is to just shut the hell up and accept anything that is being crammed down your thoat. Right? Here you say"But progress and industry should never be held up over some tribal claim to land."
I've got to say Jall that is some of the most pathetic drival i've read in a long time.

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No, the role of a proper American is to be an American first and whatever little group you are second. The role of a proper American is to accept the laws of the land and act to universally affect them instead of living a segregated life believing you are above the law.

And no, they should not be specially compensated for the pipeline. They should be subject to the same effects of iminent domain like everyone else: a fair compensation for the land that is used and then relinquishment of all rights to it: just like everyone else.

And if you want drivel, read your own damned posts, dog.

Are you claiming that in Alaska they were not collecting the DNA from felons prior to Palin's rule? Were they not doing electronic monitoring of felons prior to Palin's rule?

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I'm not claiming. I just proved.

So what!! Sex offenders that don't check in don't collect a check. Anywhere else they go back to Prison..why is Palin wussing out on this issue?

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And this shows a deep ignorance of what the PFD means in Alaska. Before, it wasn't being used as leverage to force sex offender compliance. Now it is being leveraged against them. The PFD is considered inviolable by the citizens of the state. It is a step closer to telling sex offenders that they will comply to maintain the privileges of citizenship.

Despite your attempt to deceitfully paint it as such, it isn't like their getting paid to comply. They are being penalized heavily for lack of compliance.

Why is Alaska still the Meth capitol of the US?

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Lying again or just uninformed? Would you like to do a google search and tell me what comes back for the search "meth capital of the US" and then revisit this before you stick your foot far enough down your throat to choke on it?

And I would love to see you take that challenge on a search of nexis.

Now on the #3.

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Not quite. I think we still have plenty to discuss here before we move on. You have some discrepancies in your response to account for.

F107HyperSabr said:

A good conservative would find private funds after all we don't want no socialist pipe line now do we !!!

What's your poison Knob Creek , Wild Turkey or Beam ? have a double it's on me , I only offer American made !!

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She's working within parameters set by the legislature. It has nothing to do with socialism vs capitalism. It has to do with the state funding itself off the proceeds of the resources it owns. And then returning whatever they do under budget back to the people.

goldendog said:

Scorp..her term runs out next year..what is she waiting for?

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She doesn't have to file till 6 Months to the next election so let just let her make up her mind on that. As for the rest of the stuff in the topic I say off topic start another thread if you all wish to discuss the pipeline thing but it really doesn't have anything to do with the title of this thread now does it folks :2wave:

Scorpion89 said:

She doesn't have to file till 6 Months to the next election so let just let her make up her mind on that. As for the rest of the stuff in the topic I say off topic start another thread if you all wish to discuss the pipeline thing but it really doesn't have anything to do with the title of this thread now does it folks :2wave:

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Oh, no...let them keep at it. I am more than satisfied with the direction this debate is taking. Goldendog and saber together haven't brought anything more than a few simple minded monikers like "Igloo Girl", some talk of injuns, an obfuscation, and an outright lie.

Let them continue thrashing themselves. I don't mind taking the credit though.

jallman said:

She's working within parameters set by the legislature. It has nothing to do with socialism vs capitalism. It has to do with the state funding itself off the proceeds of the resources it owns. And then returning whatever they do under budget back to the people.

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you guys need to lighten up !!! but on the serious side wouldn't This government run oil drilling is a slippery slope to socialism and it all started on the North Slope. It would be more efficient if those resources are privatized and a private company owned by stock holders exploits the resources !! After all have we not heard over and over again and again that the government should not be in business. Drilling oil is a business.

jallman said:

Oh, no...let them keep at it. I am more than satisfied with the direction this debate is taking. Goldendog and saber together haven't brought anything more than a few simple minded monikers like "Igloo Girl", some talk of injuns, an obfuscation, and an outright lie.

Let them continue thrashing themselves. I don't mind taking the credit though.

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you really need to start drinking heavily now so that you have an excuse for the quality and tone of your posts...

hey Dog I think that some of these people persons are not comprehending the written material we may have to dumb down our responses to reach more people. LOL

F107HyperSabr said:

you guys need to lighten up !!! but on the serious side wouldn't This government run oil drilling is a slippery slope to socilaism and it all started on the North Slope. It would be more efficient if those resources are privatized and a private company owned by stock holders exploits the resources !! After all have we not heard over and over again and again that the government should not be in business. Drilling oil is a business.

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*Sigh*. The actually running of the oil fields is privatized. The money the state makes is by keeping leases on the actual fields. They charge a leasing fee to the oil companies and the oil companies do everything else. The state's only function is to subsidize infrastructure between where the leases are held...in other words, roads and other support like public safety and such.

The pipeline, just like the Valdez oil pipeline, is considered infrastructure for movement of the resource, just like a road. Those natural gas fields will sit empty if there is no pipeline because no one will pay more than the holding fee to keep the lease away from a competitor. Once there is a pipeline, the gas companies gain an incentive to start drilling and the lease on the field becomes much more valuable.

Also, leasing the fields instead of selling them let's Alaska maintain control of environmental issues and resource management. That's a big issue in the most pristine and untouched landscape in the Union.

Palin?s Pipeline to Nowhere | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

The principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor, a natural-gas pipeline project backed by $500 million in state tax money, might never be built unless Canadian authorities can strike a deal with some of the country's angry Indian tribes. Approximately half of the proposed pipeline would run through Canada; native tribes who live along its route complain they haven't been consulted about it and are threatening to sue unless they are compensated. Representatives of the canadian tribes, known as First Nations, say Palin and other pipeline proponents are treating them with disrespect. The tribes' lawyers warn that the courts are on their side and say the Indians have the power to delay the pipeline for years—or even kill it entirely by filing endless lawsuits.

So the courts are on the side of the "First Nation" because they can "file endless law suits?"

That has to be hands down one of the most lame brain comments I have ever heard.

So because you can abuse the system, the courts are now "on your side." :lol:

F107HyperSabr said:

you really need to start drinking heavily now so that you have an excuse for the quality and tone of your posts...

hey Dog I think that some of these people persons are not comprehending the written material we may have to dumb down our responses to reach more people. LOL

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I fully understand that you think "'Igloo Girl' is [insert random denigration here]" qualifies as something of genius, but I can assure you that I comprehend fully the "depth" of your posts. No need to sink any lower, please.

Blackdog said:

Palin?s Pipeline to Nowhere | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

The principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor, a natural-gas pipeline project backed by $500 million in state tax money, might never be built unless Canadian authorities can strike a deal with some of the country's angry Indian tribes. Approximately half of the proposed pipeline would run through Canada; native tribes who live along its route complain they haven't been consulted about it and are threatening to sue unless they are compensated. Representatives of the canadian tribes, known as First Nations, say Palin and other pipeline proponents are treating them with disrespect. The tribes' lawyers warn that the courts are on their side and say the Indians have the power to delay the pipeline for years—or even kill it entirely by filing endless lawsuits.

So the courts are on the side of the "First Nation" because they can "file endless law suits?"

That has to be hands down one of the most lame brain comments I have ever heard.

So because you can abuse the system, the courts are now "on your side." :lol:

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Blackdog-

I would like to point out those Tribes are from Canada were the law is much different then the United State's when it comes to Indians.

Scorpion89 said:

Blackdog-

I would like to point out those Tribes are from Canada were the law is much different then the United State's when it comes to Indians.

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I agree. My comment is about the circumstance and not the Canadian law.

The fact that they even have to make such a lame statement says allot about the merits of the case.

F107HyperSabr said:

You really need to start drinking heavily now, so that you have an excuse for the quality and tone of your posts...

Hey Dog,I think that some of these people personsNot necessary are not comprehending the written material. we may have to dumb down our responses to reach more people. LOL

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Define Irony: Someone posts a thread discussing the quality of other peoples' posts and does not appropriately capitalize or punctualize their comment.

Don't worry, I will give you a hand. See bolded corrections.

jallman said:

*Sigh*. The actually running of the oil fields is privatized. The money the state makes is by keeping leases on the actual fields. They charge a leasing fee to the oil companies and the oil companies do everything else. The state's only function is to subsidize infrastructure between where the leases are held...in other words, roads and other support like public safety and such.

The pipeline, just like the Valdez oil pipeline, is considered infrastructure for movement of the resource, just like a road. Those natural gas fields will sit empty if there is no pipeline because no one will pay more than the holding fee to keep the lease away from a competitor. Once there is a pipeline, the gas companies gain an incentive to start drilling and the lease on the field becomes much more valuable.

Also, leasing the fields instead of selling them let's Alaska maintain control of environmental issues and resource management. That's a big issue in the most pristine and untouched landscape in the Union.

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So a pipeline project that is now dead in the water is now one of Palin's grand infrastructure accomplishments?

That's desperate Jall.

What other SUCCESSFUL infrastructure projects can be accredited to her grand political and social organizing expertise?

goldendog said:

So a pipeline project that is now dead in the water is now one of Palin's grand infrastructure accomplishments?

That's desperate Jall.

What other SUCCESSFUL infrastructure projects can be accredited to her grand political and social organizing expertise?

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How about a balanced budget.

goldendog said:

So a pipeline project that is now dead in the water is now one of Palin's grand infrastructure accomplishments?

That's desperate Jall.

What other SUCCESSFUL infrastructure projects can be accredited to her grand political and social organizing expertise?

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Oh no, you need to go back and account for the lie you told and the misrepresentation of the sex offender registration legislation she passed. Then we can move on.

Pipeline is not dead in the water, either. But we'll get to that, too. One ass whuppin' at the time, dog. I do so hate to make them fall too quick lest the pain of the next blow cut short the ache of the previous one prematurely.

Michael Brune: Palin's Pipeline From Hell

There's a stealth dirty oil mega-project sneaking into the United States. It's arriving piece by piece, pipeline by pipeline, refinery by refinery, and permit by permit -- but it's a singularly immense monstrosity conceived by Big Oil. It's called the Canadian Tar Sands, or as the oil industry prefers, Canadian Oil Sands.

And it's being brought to you by Sarah Palin and ExxonMobil.

Yes, the former beauty queen who inspired thousands to chant "Drill Baby Drill" last summer apparently also believes that a Mine is a Terrible Thing to Waste. Under Plan Palin, ExxonMobil and TransCanada would construct a 1700-mile natural gas pipeline from the Arctic, heading south.

But this gas won't be heading straight to the Lower 48, perhaps as a temporary alternative to America's greenhouse gas-belching, coal-fired power plants. No such luck. Instead, the pipeline will run to Alberta, where, based on current projections, about half of it is likely to be siphoned to help produce the dirtiest oil on earth.

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Palin's pipeline plans are floundering and full of holes.

The deals she's made to push her plan through are about as clean and trustworthy as one of Cheney's deals.

She has ignored and disrespected the requests of the people who this pipeline will effect all the while not discussing the true realities of her big plan. Palin's pig pipeline is a bust....get over it....it ain't gonna happen.

How in the world is she going to deal with this issue when it comes to running for reelection?

goldendog said:

Michael Brune: Palin's Pipeline From Hell

There's a stealth dirty oil mega-project sneaking into the United States. It's arriving piece by piece, pipeline by pipeline, refinery by refinery, and permit by permit -- but it's a singularly immense monstrosity conceived by Big Oil. It's called the Canadian Tar Sands, or as the oil industry prefers, Canadian Oil Sands.

And it's being brought to you by Sarah Palin and ExxonMobil.

Yes, the former beauty queen who inspired thousands to chant "Drill Baby Drill" last summer apparently also believes that a Mine is a Terrible Thing to Waste. Under Plan Palin, ExxonMobil and TransCanada would construct a 1700-mile natural gas pipeline from the Arctic, heading south.

But this gas won't be heading straight to the Lower 48, perhaps as a temporary alternative to America's greenhouse gas-belching, coal-fired power plants. No such luck. Instead, the pipeline will run to Alberta, where, based on current projections, about half of it is likely to be siphoned to help produce the dirtiest oil on earth.

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Palin's pipeline plans are floundering and full of holes.

The deals she's made to push her plan through are about as clean and trustworthy as one of Cheney's deals.

She has ignored and disrespected the requests of the people who this pipeline will effect all the while not discussing the true realities of her big plan. Palin's pig pipeline is a bust....get over it....it ain't gonna happen.

How in the world is she going to deal with this issue when it comes to running for reelection?

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I appreciate your refusal to debate my point. I, too, believed it rather undebatable. Now if only we had someone as clever to balance our national budget? Oh wait!:doh I forgot. Palin's an idiot.

goldendog said:

Michael Brune: Palin's Pipeline From Hell

There's a stealth dirty oil mega-project sneaking into the United States. It's arriving piece by piece, pipeline by pipeline, refinery by refinery, and permit by permit -- but it's a singularly immense monstrosity conceived by Big Oil. It's called the Canadian Tar Sands, or as the oil industry prefers, Canadian Oil Sands.

And it's being brought to you by Sarah Palin and ExxonMobil.

Yes, the former beauty queen who inspired thousands to chant "Drill Baby Drill" last summer apparently also believes that a Mine is a Terrible Thing to Waste. Under Plan Palin, ExxonMobil and TransCanada would construct a 1700-mile natural gas pipeline from the Arctic, heading south.

But this gas won't be heading straight to the Lower 48, perhaps as a temporary alternative to America's greenhouse gas-belching, coal-fired power plants. No such luck. Instead, the pipeline will run to Alberta, where, based on current projections, about half of it is likely to be siphoned to help produce the dirtiest oil on earth.

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Palin's pipeline plans are floundering and full of holes.

The deals she's made to push her plan through are about as clean and trustworthy as one of Cheney's deals.

She has ignored and disrespected the requests of the people who this pipeline will effect all the while not discussing the true realities of her big plan. Palin's pig pipeline is a bust....get over it....it ain't gonna happen.

How in the world is she going to deal with this issue when it comes to running for reelection?

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Would you like to point me to anything in that overly dramatic op-ed piece (from the huffingtonpost, I might add) where it says the pipeline has been stopped?

Hell, it started out trying to convince us the pipeline was coming at us like some unstoppable environmental apocalypse (native speak for: OMG Think of the CHILDREN) with Sarah Palin riding it's back like the Whore of Babylon herself. Then it switched over to "the people" are being disrespected (native speak for "we want a bigger cut") and a war cry of it's dead in the water.

So really, which is it? Is it the end of the world by natural guess or is do tha natives "got dis"?

Facts, please.

But, uh, we've got some unfinished business on your last "point", first.

wbreese91 said:

I appreciate your refusal to debate my point. I, too, believed it rather undebatable. Now if only we had someone as clever to balance our national budget? Oh wait!:doh I forgot. Palin's an idiot.

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What balanced budget are you referring to?

How exactly does that relate to any current successful infrastructure projects Palin put forth and began?

Please..beside a pipeline that is dead in the water what are her other infrastructure successes?

Link please?

goldendog said:

What balanced budget are you referring to?

How exactly does that relate to any current successful infrastructure projects Palin put forth and began?

Please..beside a pipeline that is dead in the water what are her other infrastructure successes?

Link please?

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The government PAYS its citizens with parts of the natural gas profits. It is fiscally in much better shape. This link will show that Alaska is drawing on it's sizable reserves to make up for a deficit only incurred by a drop in oil prises. SO the budget is still balanced. The deficits are very small compared to other states anyway.

Alaska state budget - Sunshine Review

By the way, a budget that is balanced suggests a stable infrastructure.

wbreese91 said:

The government PAYS its citizens with parts of the natural gas profits. It is fiscally in much better shape. This link will show that Alaska is drawing on it's sizable reserves to make up for a deficit only incurred by a drop in oil prises. SO the budget is still balanced. The deficits are very small compared to other states anyway.

Alaska state budget - Sunshine Review

By the way, a budget that is balanced suggests a stable infrastructure.

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"Alaska is facing a $1.65 billion budget shortfall for fiscal year 2009[1] and a similar shortfall for fiscal year 2010, $1.25 billion, in light of drops in oil revenue.[2] In early January 2009 Senate President Gary Stevens stated that the state was facing a budget deficit as large as $2 to $3 billion for FY 2010."
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Could you please show me anywhere in that link where it says that Palin has balanced the Alaskan Budget?

Thanks.