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ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
you do know Drudge is a Democrat, and uhm thats what his entire site is for the most part. links to news site, right?
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He's way too heavy on the spin for my taste. He also links to the far-right clearing house of cheap propaganda and conspiracy theories--WND.
 
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hazlnut said:
He's way too heavy on the spin for my taste. He also links to the far-right clearing house of cheap propaganda and conspiracy theories--WND.
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Bro!



Zyphlin said:
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:mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
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Zyphlin said:
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oops -- sorry, my bad.
 
I just want to know how to get off Obama's email list. I had signed up awhile ago as it was the only way to access all the info on his site during his campaign. His emails are more annoying than the ones I routinely get from Brad Pitt for ONE.

m --

Last year, millions of Americans came together for a great purpose.

Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that's not why we did it.

The pundits told us it was impossible -- that the donations working people could afford and the hours volunteers could give would never loosen the vise grip of big money and powerful special interests. We proved them wrong. But as important as that was, that's not why we did it.

Today, spiraling health care costs are pushing our families and businesses to the brink of ruin, while millions of Americans go without the care they desperately need. Fixing this broken system will be enormously difficult. But we can succeed. The chance to make fundamental change like this in people's daily lives -- that is why we did it.

The campaign to pass real health care reform in 2009 is the biggest test of our movement since the election. Once again, victory is far from certain. Our opposition will be fierce, and they have been down this road before. To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.

And just like before, I cannot do it without your support.

So I'm asking you to remember all that you gave over the last two years to get us here -- all the time, resources, and faith you invested as a down payment to earn us our place at this crossroads in history. All that you've done has led up to this -- and whether or not our country takes the next crucial step depends on what you do right now.

Will you donate whatever you can afford to support the campaign for real health care reform in 2009?

It doesn't matter how much you can give, as long as you give what you can. Millions of families on the brink are counting on us to do just that. I know we can deliver.

Thank you, so much, for getting us this far. And thank you for standing up once again to take us the rest of the way.

Sincerely,

President Barack Obama
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talloulou said:
I just want to know how to get off Obama's email list. I had signed up awhile ago as it was the only way to access all the info on his site during his campaign. His emails are more annoying than the ones I routinely get from Brad Pitt for ONE.
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:rofl

Funny Stuff.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
OMG it's like the idiot is still campaigning. :lol:
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Well he hasn't done anything good so he needs to at least portray a good image to keep the approval ratings up.
 
Perhaps I'm missing something, but there's nothing here that is at all frightening about a media outlet allowing the President (or any other politician for that matter) to talk freely (and for free) about their plans. Actually, I'd love to see more things like this open to candidates of any party (or lack thereof) during the election cycle in order to create a more informed electorate.

Again, someone please enlighten me as to why I should be worried about this. Thanks in advance.
 
Badgered Mushroom said:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but there's nothing here that is at all frightening about a media outlet allowing the President (or any other politician for that matter) to talk freely (and for free) about their plans. Actually, I'd love to see more things like this open to candidates of any party (or lack thereof) during the election cycle in order to create a more informed electorate.

Again, someone please enlighten me as to why I should be worried about this. Thanks in advance.
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You're a Liberal, you don't see a problem with the media as a tool of the government. It's okay, it's genetic I think.
 
MrVicchio said:
You're a Liberal, you don't see a problem with the media as a tool of the government. It's okay, it's genetic I think.
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So every speech that Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and so on gave on national TV made the media a tool of the government?
 
MrVicchio said:
You're a Liberal, you don't see a problem with the media as a tool of the government. It's okay, it's genetic I think.
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Are you freaking kidding me? We just spent 8 years with an administration that blatantly used Fox News as a tool to promote their propoganda and ruin those who opposed them. Genetic? If anything it's contagious, and we caught it from you.
 
MrVicchio said:
You're a Liberal, you don't see a problem with the media as a tool of the government. It's okay, it's genetic I think.
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Wow, I didn't think I'd get to ignore somebody so quickly. At least on this board the trolls are very obvious about who they are.
 
Redress said:
So every speech that Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and so on gave on national TV made the media a tool of the government?
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I don't take issues with speeches. Were Obama giving a speech on Heathcare reform I'd expect ABC and everyone else to cover it during prime time.

I'm a little more weary when it comes to packaged propaganda type hour long specials featuring the President.

I'll have to see the program to have an actual opinion on it but if it even remotely plays like an infomercial it'll disgust me.
 
talloulou said:
I don't take issues with speeches. Were Obama giving a speech on Heathcare reform I'd expect ABC and everyone else to cover it during prime time.

I'm a little more weary when it comes to packaged propaganda type hour long specials featuring the President.

I'll have to see the program to have an actual opinion on it but if it even remotely plays like an infomercial it'll disgust me.
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I don't see how that's a bad thing, and I would hardly call it propaganda. What I call propaganda are the half-truths and blatant misrepresentation of facts that we see on some "news" outlets on the television and internet.

If someone gets to explain what their intent is for a particular plan, I don't see how it is propagandistic. I think there needs to be more of this from all sides.

An informed electorate can only do good things for this country.
 
talloulou said:
I don't take issues with speeches. Were Obama giving a speech on Heathcare reform I'd expect ABC and everyone else to cover it during prime time.

I'm a little more weary when it comes to packaged propaganda type hour long specials featuring the President.

I'll have to see the program to have an actual opinion on it but if it even remotely plays like an infomercial it'll disgust me.
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Things like that are pretty common. One of my favorite stories from the Bush the younger administration was about the release to the press of his tax cut plan. He promised select outlets a 24 hour early scoop(leak) on the plan, if they promised not to interview anyone critical of the plan for those 24 hours.
 
Badgered Mushroom said:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but there's nothing here that is at all frightening about a media outlet allowing the President (or any other politician for that matter) to talk freely (and for free) about their plans. Actually, I'd love to see more things like this open to candidates of any party (or lack thereof) during the election cycle in order to create a more informed electorate.

Again, someone please enlighten me as to why I should be worried about this. Thanks in advance.
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Presidents give speeches. As to what an hour long special is... I haven't a clue. But if it plays like an hour long ad then I'll be disgusted. However if it's an actual discussion with actual opposition presented it could be great. If they're calling it questions for the President then it shouldn't come off like a propaganda piece. It may not. But if it does....:doh
 
"Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that's not why we did it."
--Barack Obama

Shocked the political establishment!? LOL!!! What a load of Orwellian nonsense. Ever since he's taken office the "political establishment" has grown and expanded like never before and shows no sign of slowing down. Obama won't stop until his socialistic vision of America comes to fruition; layer upon layer of bureaucracy and cronyism; government largess and class warfare - that's what he envisions.
 
talloulou said:
Presidents give speeches. As to what an hour long special is... I haven't a clue. But if it plays like an hour long ad then I'll be disgusted. However if it's an actual discussion with actual opposition presented it could be great. If they're calling it questions for the President then it shouldn't come off like a propaganda piece. It may not. But if it does....:doh
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How about if the media just discusses the hell out of it for a week, and gives lots and lots of republicans a chance to complain about it. Congressman Camp(R-MI) was on Morning Joe this morning talking about the republican health care plan, and gave a damn good interview.[ame=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#31404785]Morning Joe[/ame]

Edited to add: Note to our republican friends: this is how to be effective against Obama...promote your ideals, don't just complain about Obama.
 
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Redress said:
Things like that are pretty common. One of my favorite stories from the Bush the younger administration was about the release to the press of his tax cut plan. He promised select outlets a 24 hour early scoop(leak) on the plan, if they promised not to interview anyone critical of the plan for those 24 hours.
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Things like hour long prime time infomercials specials featuring the current sitting President aimed at selling a policy are not common; as far as I know it's unprecedented. Now again, it may not play off as an hour long infomercial -but that's the fear.
 
Redress said:
How about if the media just discusses the hell out of it for a week, and gives lots and lots of republicans a chance to complain about it. Congressman Camp(R-MI) was on Morning Joe this morning talking about the republican health care plan, and gave a damn good interview(Morning Joe).
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The 24 hours news cables do this with everything with some commentators obviously leaning one way or another. That has been true across the board, both sides, all 24 cable news networks.

It has nothing to do with prime time specials featuring the President. Nothing like this has been done before which is why it has folks worked up.
 
Badgered Mushroom said:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but there's nothing here that is at all frightening about a media outlet allowing the President (or any other politician for that matter) to talk freely (and for free) about their plans. Actually, I'd love to see more things like this open to candidates of any party (or lack thereof) during the election cycle in order to create a more informed electorate.

Again, someone please enlighten me as to why I should be worried about this. Thanks in advance.
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You mean like the difference between reporting a whole story and being used to promote a single-sided propaganda campaign?

It doesn't bother you when the news organizations responsible for informing the public about important events refuse to tell the entire story and rather promote the political agenda of a single party?
 
It's interesting that there isn't yet a promo ad for the special. I'd be curious to see what tone the promo would take.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You mean like the difference between reporting a whole story and being used to promote a single-sided propaganda campaign?

It doesn't bother you when the news organizations responsible for informing the public about important events refuse to tell the entire story and rather promote the political agenda of a single party?
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I'm not sure what propaganda campaign you're talking about, but if it has to do with the "socialism", "marxism", "communism", or "Stalinism" tags that I've seen come from FOX I'd rather not hear about it.

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There isn't any reporting involved here. From what I gather, it's going to be free air time for Obama to talk about his healthcare reform plan, nothing more. You may as well not even call it news, he's just using ABC's air time to speak to the public. What's the big deal?

Again, I think this should be required, especially during elections, so that the electorate can be better informed about candidates and policies. Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, Democratic Socialists, etc, should all be allowed free air time in order for the public to better understand themselves and the options available to them.
 
Badgered Mushroom said:
An informed electorate can only do good things for this country.
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An informed electorate has all sides of the issue.

The Messiah isn't going to present the flip side of what he proposes, like, it'll be five times more expensive than he's going to say it is, it's going to be like going to the DMV, that it will reduce the quality of care from what most people currently recieve, and that it just won't work.

His not going to mention anything as minor as that.

And another question arises. ABC is going to give this boy an hour of prime-time propaganda space for a partisan political purpose. Is that a multi-million contribution to Obama's re-election campaign, or just to the DNC? What are the caps on donations to a political party or candidate from corporate sources? Since this is an exclusive informercial failing to meet journalistic standards for unbiased news reporting, it can't be counted as "public service".
 
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