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Bill will ban 'white only' BNP.

The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.

"Must"?

I wasn't required to list a goddamned thing.

However, when teaching to the ignorant, lists are an important tool.
 
"Must"?

I wasn't required to list a goddamned thing.

However, when teaching to the ignorant, lists are an important tool.

Fine Scarecrow. The fact that we do enumerate the many things black people have done and that it is so easy for us to pick out their accomplishments is a sign that it is not as common place or normal as I would hop it is. I am not saying that we need to give every single black person a Cabinet position, I am saying that the opportuinities for black people, especially in our school system, are not equal to the opportuinities of white people.
 
Equal production is Communism. What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed. Not everyone produces equally, even among white people. You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.

But we have equality of opportunity. Look at the statistics. You'll see that the most elusive factor that affects pay is racism. When you account for everything correctly, wages are pretty much even.
 
But we have equality of opportunity. Look at the statistics. You'll see that the most elusive factor that affects pay is racism. When you account for everything correctly, wages are pretty much even.

No we do not. Your pay statistic is accurate. Once a black person is hired they are paid the same, but the opportuinity to obtain the education necessary to achieve said job is not there. To this day, schools in black neighborhoods are not as good as schools in white neighborhoods.
 
What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed.

We've already got that.

Naturally, some people don't succeed.

Life's a bitch, and all that.


Not everyone produces equally, even among white people.

:roll:

You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.

Equality is saying, "yo, homey, we put you in a school, you dropped out, or you slacked off, or you're dumb as a box of rocks, and you did what you could. What you do from here is your business, your concern, not ours, unless you commit acts of violence, fraud, or otherwise harm others. So, you're equal, get your butts out there and do something with it. Or don't, if you don't want to."

That's equality of opportunity.
 
No we do not. Your pay statistic is accurate. Once a black person is hired they are paid the same, but the opportuinity to obtain the education necessary to achieve said job is not there. To this day, schools in black neighborhoods are not as good as schools in white neighborhoods.

that's because black hoods in the 'hoods hold shooting galleries, and there's all sorts of other reasons, not one of which has to do with white racism against blacks.

Amazingly, there's no guard at the edge of the ghetto, there's not even a fence. The families that want to get better schooling for their children can move to less damaged...ie, less black, neighborhoods. Nothing stops them but their own desires. They've no one to blame but themselves. Jim Crow was baked and eaten long long ago.
 
Fine Scarecrow. The fact that we do enumerate the many things black people have done and that it is so easy for us to pick out their accomplishments is a sign that it is not as common place or normal as I would hop it is. I am not saying that we need to give every single black person a Cabinet position, I am saying that the opportuinities for black people, especially in our school system, are not equal to the opportuinities of white people.

The fact of the matter is that there have been ten presidents in my lifetime.

Not hard to name the white guys and mulatto Kenyan nationals on that list.

The fact of the matter is that minorities have penetrated to every top position in government. You name a profession, and minorities have risen to the top of it, except, perhaps, Grand Imperial Dragon of the KKK. But...they do have the NAALCP! Same thing, deeper tan.
 
A political party should be open to all, regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation and religion. Any party not living up to these basic principles should be denied access to run candidates in any democratic election.

You are a fascist.
 
BNP faces challenge in equality legislation





This is not good. Not good at all.
Is it only me having a bad feeling about this ...


I think this is nothing more than attempt by the major parties to screw a 3rd parties. Yeah the BNP is full racist,but does their legislation target women's only groups, and other groups whose membership consist only of a particular race,gender or group? In democratic society everyone must be free to express their views and to assemble however the **** they please not matter how racist or idiotic that group is. These little anti-free speech/thought control laws in the guise of hate speech laws will bite you Brits in the ass one day when your government decides to add themselves and or the military to that "do not hurt their poor wittle feewings or you go to jail" list. Its like that old saying you give someone an inch they will try to take a mile. This little ban to screw the BNP could easily evolve into other bans designed to screw other 3rd parties. All this outrage over the BNP is amusing,what about the outrage over the voters who elected these people? Unless the other parties are known for lying how could anyone there not know the BNP is racist?
 
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that's because black hoods in the 'hoods hold shooting galleries, and there's all sorts of other reasons, not one of which has to do with white racism against blacks.

Amazingly, there's no guard at the edge of the ghetto, there's not even a fence. The families that want to get better schooling for their children can move to less damaged...ie, less black, neighborhoods. Nothing stops them but their own desires. They've no one to blame but themselves. Jim Crow was baked and eaten long long ago.

Most of those families don't want to live in the "hood" as you so elequently put it. They cannot afford to move, because they cannot get a job that pays well enough, because they never got the education to allow them too and their children are getting ready to be placed in the same situation. White people are not intentionally doing this true, but it is still an inequality between the races. One that the school systems could fix if they had the money and political support.
 
Most of those families don't want to live in the "hood" as you so elequently put it. They cannot afford to move, because they cannot get a job that pays well enough, because they never got the education to allow them too and their children are getting ready to be placed in the same situation. White people are not intentionally doing this true, but it is still an inequality between the races. One that the school systems could fix if they had the money and political support.

Is that what you consider the racism that still exists? The disparity in education? The government has caused that, not people.
 
Is that what you consider the racism that still exists? The disparity in education? The government has caused that, not people.

It is an unfair treatment of the races by our government, aka RACISM, even if it is unintentional. So yes, it is what I consider the racism that still exists.
 
Most of those families don't want to live in the "hood" as you so elequently put it.

Then they sould consider moving out.

No one's chained anywhere.

They cannot afford to move, because they cannot get a job that pays well enough, because they never got the education to allow them too and their children are getting ready to be placed in the same situation.

Yes, every poor person has some excuse that PROVES his situation is someone else's fault.

They always do. Not a one of them laying out these sorry excuses ever says, I should have dribbled less, studied accounting more in high school. No, it's always The Man's fault.

The Man is black now.

Now what're they gonna do?

White people are not intentionally doing this true, but it is still an inequality between the races.

Life's a bitch. There's no inequality of opportunity. There's only inequality of effort. Funny, isn't it? The black people who study don't stay poor, even in the ****tiest school districts. That pretty much says it all, right there.

One that the school systems could fix if they had the money and political support.

They've got tons of money, and more political support than anyone could ever need.

It's just too bad the liberals are running the schools. Can't make any progress with deadwood blocking the road.
 
Then they sould consider moving out.

No one's chained anywhere.



Yes, every poor person has some excuse that PROVES his situation is someone else's fault.

They always do. Not a one of them laying out these sorry excuses ever says, I should have dribbled less, studied accounting more in high school. No, it's always The Man's fault.

The Man is black now.

Now what're they gonna do?



Life's a bitch. There's no inequality of opportunity. There's only inequality of effort. Funny, isn't it? The black people who study don't stay poor, even in the ****tiest school districts. That pretty much says it all, right there.



They've got tons of money, and more political support than anyone could ever need.

It's just too bad the liberals are running the schools. Can't make any progress with deadwood blocking the road.

Why must you always take the words of anyone who argues with you and twist them? I did not say EVERY black man who didn't succeed could lay fault at the government's door, but the fact that a large number of kids don't is a sign of a problem. We can provide an equal opportuinity for education, which we are not. If after the schools are equal, the kid doesn't succeed then yes I fully agree with you, it is there own fault. But not before.
 
Why must you always take the words of anyone who argues with you and twist them? I did not say EVERY black man who didn't succeed could lay fault at the government's door, but the fact that a large number of kids don't is a sign of a problem. We can provide an equal opportuinity for education, which we are not. If after the schools are equal, the kid doesn't succeed then yes I fully agree with you, it is there own fault. But not before.

Yes. It's a sign of a problem.

The problem is the kids don't study.

What laws should the federal government pass to make black kids study more?

Are you aware that even black kids have parents somewhere? Usually they even know the names of both them, though not always. Guess who's responsible for making sure kid's study. Is it The Messiah's responsibility? Congress's? The National Education Association? The teachers? Or the parents?
 
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Yes. It's a sign of a problem.

The problem is the kids don't study.

What laws should the federal government pass to make black kids study more?

Are you aware that even black kids have parents somewhere? Usually they even know the names of both them, though not always. Guess who's responsible for making sure kid's study. Is it The Messiah's responsibility? Congress's? The National Education Association? The teachers? Or the parents?

Agreed. Finally, a statement I can agree with. The parents DO need to do more. All I am saying is that the schools should provide an equal OPPORTUINITY for education. I know that the school isn't the entire problem, but most schools in the "hood" are old, and damaged. Most of them can't afford to have extracurricular activities that would keep the kids off the streets aside from basketball. I agree that the parents aren't putting enough stress on the kids and that the government can't replace good parents. The government can; however, invest in trying to provide facilities and hire faculty that interest the kids in education. And, I also agree that teachers unions are a major part of the problem here with their insistance on tenure and such. So what can the government do you ask?
1. Elliminate Teachers' Unions
2. National Standardized Graduation Tests, so that states can't cheat by making their tests easier in order to meet National standards.
3. Give out vouchers so that parents can send their kids to better schools
4. Eliminate Welfare for families with parents who are capable of work to eliminate the fall-back for kids who don't succeed.
5. Launch a national campaign to promote education.
There, not all of those suggestions will be to your liking I know. But I at least hope you can appreciate some of them.
 
Agreed. Finally, a statement I can agree with. The parents DO need to do more. All I am saying is that the schools should provide an equal OPPORTUINITY for education.

The Rapist President sent his cocker-spaniel of a daughter to Sidwell Friends a private school. What legislation is going to eliminate the option of the wealthy to send their kids to private schools, or what legislation is going to allocate the funds for public schools to match the opportunities the Rapist President could buy?

Hmmmm?

What standarrds are going to be written and established, after approval of the teachers unions, that provides for teachers of the highest standards all across America that match the best private schools?

Hmmmm?

The fact is, the little darlings HAVE equality of opportunity. The days when the Democrats could hold the blacks down with Jim Crow and Separate But Equal are gone. The only thing holding blacks down from economic equality is themselves. Those that apply themselves and work as hard at improving themselves as white people do....do as well as white people. Ergo, racism isn't the issue.


1. Elliminate Teachers' Unions

Sorry. All workers, by the Freedom of Association guaranteed in the First Amendment, can form unions. School boards and school management need to be disinfected, but if a teacher wishes to join a union, there's nothing in the constitution that can prevent him. Nor should their be.

2. National Standardized Graduation Tests,
so that states can't cheat by making their tests easier in order to meet National standards.

Well....since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to finance public education, the Federal government also does not have constitutional authority to establish national standards.

Welcome to the federalist experiment called The United States of America.

States have to establish their own internal standards, and they can compete with each other to have the toughest or easiest ones around, their sovereign choice.

3. Give out vouchers so that parents can send their kids to better schools

See the above post, where it was pointed out, correctly, that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to finance public education.

4. Eliminate Welfare for families with parents who are capable of work to eliminate the fall-back for kids who don't succeed.

Here, let me fix that for you:

4. Eliminate Welfare.

There, all better now. Guess what? Welfare doesn't have Constitutional standing, either.

5. Launch a national campaign to promote education.

Why? What's it going to say? "Stupid people don't get jobs?" Or "You stupid? It's your fault!"? or "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." (Oops, that one's copyrighted already.

Again....no Constitutional authority for national ad campaigns.

There, not all of those suggestions will be to your liking I know. But I at least hope you can appreciate some of them.

I pointed out their flaws for ya.
 
Not appropriate. Show some class.

Since, I know Scarecrow will not, I will appologize for his sensless attack on a girl who never did anything to anyone. To Chelsea Clinton, I am sorry with all my heart that you must take this kind of unwarranted abuse, simply because your father is a public figure.

To Scarecrow:
You would have been upset if people didn't show Bush and family respect. So would I, and was I when liberals continually disrespected Bush. It is hypocritical to say so and then disrespect Former President Clinton and his family. It is possible to be critical and civil at the same time. In fact, it is called debating.
 
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The mere fact that we must enumerate the ways that black people have succeeded in this country is proof that some aspect of racism remains. Yes, we have come a long way, but no we are not done.


Don't you mean "black people" are not done?

Or is it our job to vault them into positions based upon the color of the skin, and not their competence and skill?

:roll:
 
Equal production is Communism. What we should be striving for is equal opportuinity in that everyone has the same chance to succeed. Not everyone produces equally, even among white people. You cannot have everyone having the exact same salary, grades, or life, but you can ensure that everyone has the same chance to succeed. That is equality, and racism stands in the way of that.

We have a black president.... racism cannot stand in the way of everyone having an equal opportunity to succeed if the head of our nation is a black man who has succeeded.
 
No we do not. Your pay statistic is accurate. Once a black person is hired they are paid the same, but the opportuinity to obtain the education necessary to achieve said job is not there. To this day, schools in black neighborhoods are not as good as schools in white neighborhoods.

Who created these "black neighborhoods"?

And why do I see blacks and whites living in neighborhoods together in the 20th (i know not that high of a number) largest city in the US?
 
I don't find much difference between race and gender bias. Do the posters here throw a hissy fit when our own Sect'y of State makes nice nice with countries that curtail the rights of women?



What is the alternative?? It is nice to always stand on principle, but sometimes one must be realistic about the situations they are faced with. It is not reasonable to ignore and/or alienate an entire region, even if you find some of their practices immoral and wrong!!


As far as the OP is concerned, I think it is insane to attempt to ban any political party no matter how offensive it's views. A country is then no longer a democracy.
 
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Most of those families don't want to live in the "hood" as you so elequently put it. They cannot afford to move, because they cannot get a job that pays well enough, because they never got the education to allow them too and their children are getting ready to be placed in the same situation. White people are not intentionally doing this true, but it is still an inequality between the races. One that the school systems could fix if they had the money and political support.

your going to blame schools for the lack of moral upbringing from the majority of those who live in the inner city?

If parents got involved in their children's lives, the thug pieces of **** wouldn't be nearly as prevalent and wouldn't cause disruptions in class keeping teachers from doing their jobs. And the kids would actually work on their schooling.

The problem isn't the schools abandoning the kids, its their parents.
 
Why must you always take the words of anyone who argues with you and twist them? I did not say EVERY black man who didn't succeed could lay fault at the government's door, but the fact that a large number of kids don't is a sign of a problem. We can provide an equal opportuinity for education, which we are not. If after the schools are equal, the kid doesn't succeed then yes I fully agree with you, it is there own fault. But not before.

You remember the true life stories like that of "Coach Carter" and similar stories?

Why is it that a positive basketball coach who acted as a parent to the players suddenly made their schools not so ****ty and they were able to make the grade and several of them got into college?
 
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