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18-year old charged in Florida cat mutilations

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Sorry, the sock puppet troll has been neutered and sent to Bob Bakers house for punishment
 
WI Crippler said:
Young boys killing small animals is not out of the ordinary. If its other peoples cats, obviously there are charges that can be made, since the animal is someone else property. But I mean, little boys hunt down small animals all the time. I don't know how many squirrels, frogs, birds, and other various small animals I shot at, up at my grandpa's cabin when I was a youngster.
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It's one thing to shoot at an animal. It's another thing to torture it and crush its skull and pull out its eyeballs.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
There probably isn't any difference to a kid who does it. I don't think kids are fully capable of understanding and comprehending the effects of their actions.
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An 18-year-old person who can vote doesn't understand or comprehend the effects of his actions? :shock:
 
aps said:
An 18-year-old person who can vote doesn't understand or comprehend the effects of his actions? :shock:
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Well, I was speaking more in general terms. I think at 18 it's clear that something is wrong whether it be a bad home life or whatever.
 
aps said:
It's one thing to shoot at an animal. It's another thing to torture it and crush its skull and pull out its eyeballs.
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Some people are just naturally evil deep down inside. I rather them do it to a cat than a smaller kid or any other human. They just need to make sure kids like this do not end up a guard at Guantanamo.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Some people are just naturally evil deep down inside. I rather them do it to a cat than a smaller kid or any other human. They just need to make sure kids like this do not end up a guard at Guantanamo.
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I see what you mean, but why someone would have to torture any living thing is appalling to me. If this kid is acting out because he's being physically abused by his father, then his father should suffer some serious consequences.
 
Our society treats animals like crap in general. What this guy did to these cats is small potatoes compared to what animals in industry go through hourly. It's the fact that he did it to fuzzy, fluffy cute cats whom we (arbitrarily) love that we think he is sick.

You either feel it for all animals or you feel it for none of them. I don't really pick and choose.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Does a cat have human rights?
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I guess they don't have human rights since they're not human.

But it's still extremely wrong on a moral point of view to skin live cats. It's cruel and it's barbarous, especially when these cats are owned by people who love them.

Animal violence is even more shocking than violence against humanes, because animals are always innocent. Nothing could "justify" it (unlike a neighbor who gets knocked down because he makes too much noise or insults people)
 
Orius said:
Our society treats animals like crap in general. What this guy did to these cats is small potatoes compared to what animals in industry go through hourly. It's the fact that he did it to fuzzy, fluffy cute cats whom we (arbitrarily) love that we think he is sick.

You either feel it for all animals or you feel it for none of them. I don't really pick and choose.
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It's too bad there isn't really a middle ground either. You either hear about people being horrible to their animals or the PETA nutjobs wanting to rename fish into Sea Kittens.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Some people are just naturally evil deep down inside. I rather them do it to a cat than a smaller kid or any other human. They just need to make sure kids like this do not end up a guard at Guantanamo.
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You rather have them guarding human beings?
 
aps said:
I see what you mean, but why someone would have to torture any living thing is appalling to me. If this kid is acting out because he's being physically abused by his father, then his father should suffer some serious consequences.
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Sexist.

Why couldn't it be his dear little momma?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So you see nothing wrong with mutilating animals?
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Animals don't have natural rights. If the animals in question are a person's property, there's nothing s\he can possibly to do them that should constitute a legal crime, as long as no self-owning entities (i.e. other human beings) are harmed in the process.

That said, torturing animals is unethical and clearly undesirable, and most people would choose to expose and ostracize a person who is cruel to animals. Furthermore, establishments like homeowners' associations and pet ownership societies could make cruelty to animals a punishable offense through contract law. This is how a free society would deal with people like that - without ever initiating aggression against them.
 
This dude has serious issues. That's my expert opinion.

He needs extensive psychological help.

But he'll just end up in jail for a couple of years and be released just as bugnuts crazy as he was before he went there if not worse.
 
bub said:
I guess they don't have human rights since they're not human.

But it's still extremely wrong on a moral point of view to skin live cats. It's cruel and it's barbarous, especially when these cats are owned by people who love them.

Animal violence is even more shocking than violence against humanes, because animals are always innocent. Nothing could "justify" it (unlike a neighbor who gets knocked down because he makes too much noise or insults people)
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I was being fatuous but good line to pick out of mine. I know cats are not humans. I think violence against humans is greater than cats because humans have more potential right now in this world.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I was being fatuous but good line to pick out of mine. I know cats are not humans. I think violence against humans is greater than cats because humans have more potential right now in this world.
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I disagree: it may sound a bit "hippye" but I disagree with the hierarchy "Humans > Animals"

Some "evolved" animals (like monkeys and most other big mammals, like cats or dogs) have "humane characteristics": they can communicate, they can interact with us, they have feelings...there is no difference that could justify a total absence of rights, or that violence against them is "less bad" than violence against humans

Of course that doesn't really apply to ants or snails (yet it's still wrong to kill them just for the pleasure)
 
jallman said:
He needs to be locked away now and intensely evaluated. This is a serious escalation in sadism and psychopathy for someone so young. I would definitely be worried that this was a precursor to something much more sinister.
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So far the kid is saying he is innocent and the reports around this sound speculative anyways. They say that cops where watching him for 2 weeks? Yet they don't say the caught him in the act. So the incidents happened around his house... that doesn't mean is guilty. They arrested him at a party... I didn't think most cat killing sickos would be having fun at social parties.

Have they searched all the backwoods areas for satanic activity?
 
aps said:
It's one thing to shoot at an animal. It's another thing to torture it and crush its skull and pull out its eyeballs.
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I don't know. I mean, yeah, pulling out a cats eyeballs, if it were alive at the time, is pretty sadistic. But I don't see much difference between killing an animal with a sledgehammer or killing it with a firearm. Unless you are trying to bring down a cow or a horse. But with cats, a sledghammer to the skull would be as quick as using a gun.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
So far the kid is saying he is innocent and the reports around this sound speculative anyways. They say that cops where watching him for 2 weeks? Yet they don't say the caught him in the act. So the incidents happened around his house... that doesn't mean is guilty. They arrested him at a party... I didn't think most cat killing sickos would be having fun at social parties.

Have they searched all the backwoods areas for satanic activity?
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OK, you are correct. I hinge all that on him being proven to be the one who really did do it.

I would have to see how the evidence plays out.

However, my point about intense evaluation being needed stands...whoever did do this is showing some extremely fast escalation.
 
WI Crippler said:
I don't know. I mean, yeah, pulling out a cats eyeballs, if it were alive at the time, is pretty sadistic. But I don't see much difference between killing an animal with a sledgehammer or killing it with a firearm. Unless you are trying to bring down a cow or a horse. But with cats, a sledghammer to the skull would be as quick as using a gun.
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Hunting shouldn't be for sport alone. All hunters should respect what they kill and have a reason for killing it. To just kill for killings sake alone is something I can't respect and wouldn't allow my son to do. If he kills a deer with a gun he is gonna damn well eat it. To just kill anything for fun and laughs is not healthy.
 
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