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Taliban dupe boy, 12, into planting bomb

Oftencold said:
And I applaud them! Now what percentage of the Muslim world does that represent?
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What percentage of the Muslim world does the TALIBAN represent? :doh

Oftencold said:
And was this a rebellion against Terrorism in the name of Allah, or a response by the villagers to terroistic tactics used against themselves?
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I would assume that like any rational person, Pakistani civilians are more concerned about being blown to bits than they are about the blasphemy.

Oftencold said:
Did the villagers object in any material way when the Taliban were attacking people far away?
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Why would they, if it wasn't a part of their every day experience? How much time have you spent condemning the Tamil Tigers or the Lord's Resistance Army? Have you ever objected in any material way (whatever that means)?
 
Kandahar said:
What percentage of the Muslim world does the TALIBAN represent? :doh
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As I took pains to point out, since the majoprity of the world's Muslim population appears to be quite comfortable, even encouraging of such tactics, I consider them, with no doubt numerous individual exceptions, to generally be accessories to Terrorism.
Kandahar said:
I would assume that like any rational person, Pakistani civilians are more concerned about being blown to bits than they are about the blasphemy.
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If this were more generally true among Mohammedans, then recruiting efforts for suicide bombers would be pretty much friutless, no?

While I concede that most Muslims will not have the personal mindless bravery needed to become a suicide bomber, it would appear to the casual observer that most of the Muslim World celebrates these individuals.

So it is fairly obvious, that taken as a whole, Islam is far more concerned with issues such as blasphemy, than with any concern that someone, including their own adherents will be "blown to bits."


Kandahar said:
Why would they, if it wasn't a part of their every day experience? How much time have you spent condemning the Tamil Tigers or the Lord's Resistance Army? Have you ever objected in any material way (whatever that means)?
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Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
 
Oftencold said:
Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
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How?

And, if you have, you are one of the few around the world who did.

Of ANY belief system.
 
Oftencold said:
As I took pains to point out, since the majoprity of the world's Muslim population appears to be quite comfortable, even encouraging of such tactics, I consider them, with no doubt numerous individual exceptions, to generally be accessories to Terrorism.
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Double standard. You're unwilling to consider the example of the Pakistani villagers fighting the Taliban, because they represent a small part of the Islamic world. Yet you automatically use the Taliban itself (which represents an even smaller part of the Islamic world) to paint all Muslims as terrorists. Never mind that the Taliban's approval rating in both Afghanistan and Pakistan hovers around 4%.

Oftencold said:
If this were more generally true among Mohammedans, then recruiting efforts for suicide bombers would be pretty much friutless, no?
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They ARE pretty much fruitless. Those activities are almost entirely confined to a few of the worst spots in the Muslim world, such as the Gaza Strip...and even there, they are much less common than they used to be.

Guess what terrorist organization has committed more suicide bombings in the last 50 years than any other? Hint: It isn't a Muslim group.

Oftencold said:
While I concede that most Muslims will not have the personal mindless bravery needed to become a suicide bomber, it would appear to the casual observer that most of the Muslim World celebrates these individuals.
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Only if you define "most of the Muslim world" to mean the Gaza Strip, Hezbollah, and pre-war Iraq. The Muslim world stretches all the way from Morocco to Indonesia.

Oftencold said:
So it is fairly obvious, that taken as a whole, Islam is far more concerned with issues such as blasphemy, than with any concern that someone, including their own adherents will be "blown to bits."
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And your evidence for this?

Oftencold said:
Why, yes I have as a matter of fact.
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I'm calling bull****. What have you done "in a material way" to condemn those groups, that most Muslims haven't ALSO done to condemn terrorism in faraway lands?
 
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The Mark said:
How?

And, if you have, you are one of the few around the world who did.

Of ANY belief system.
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First and foremost, I actively, loudly and constantly condemn anyone who claims my religion and abuses it. For instance the Westboro Baptist Church nutjobs.

I denounce anyone proclaiming hatred of in the Name of Christ.

As a matter of fact, almost everyone i know of that Faith condemns its abuse especially to foster hatred and aggression. You need look no further than the overtly Christian donations to charitable efforts that will primarily aid non-Christians.

On the more mundane level, I was once upon a time in the Air Force, participate in politics and educate the willing.


Take a fresh look at most modern religions, and you won't really find a major threat to the general welfare in most.
 
Oftencold said:
First and foremost, I actively, loudly and constantly condemn anyone who claims my religion and abuses it. For instance the Westboro Baptist Church nutjobs.
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Excellent. And if said abuse of your religion occurs in the continent of Africa, or some other far away place?

Oftencold said:
I denounce anyone proclaiming hatred of in the Name of Christ.
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Reasonable.

Oftencold said:
As a matter of fact, almost everyone i know of that Faith condemns its abuse especially to foster hatred and aggression. You need look no further than the overtly Christian donations to charitable efforts that will primarily aid non-Christians.
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True.

Oftencold said:
On the more mundane level, I was once upon a time in the Air Force, participate in politics and educate the willing.
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Excellent.


Oftencold said:
Take a fresh look at most modern religions, and you won't really find a major threat to the general welfare in most.
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True, and true of the Islamic faith as well (at least as far as I know). On the other hand, radical segments of any faith are, well, radical.
 
celticlord said:
Well, since it's fashionable to do that when discussing Jews and Christians, why should Moslems get treated any differently?
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Would you like to direct me to some threads where that happens because i haven't seen any ...

I bet alot of Murders in US are done by Christians because satistically Christians are a majority. When a murder happens, do people jump on the Bible? If they do, my bad but i have not once in my time on this forum seen such "fashionable" trends directed at any group other than Muslims ...
 
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Laila said:
Would you like to direct me to some threads where that happens because i haven't seen any ...

I bet alot of Murders in US are done by Christians because satistically Christians are a majority. When a murder happens, do people jump on the Bible? If they do, my bad but i have not once in my time on this forum seen such "fashionable" trends directed at any group other than Muslims ...
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Ive seen all religions get there fair share of bashing on this forum but more so Islam.
 
kaya'08 said:
Ive seen all religions get there fair share of bashing on this forum but more so Islam.
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That is true all religions have had their fair share of bashings but have you seen actions done by individuals blamed on religion entirely?
 
Laila said:
That is true all religions have had their fair share of bashings but have you seen actions done by individuals blamed on religion entirely?
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Yes, all the time on this forum. And again, its usually Islam.
 
While I agree that blameing Islam for all the things radicals do is wrong. It seems that whenever radicals do something such as the calling for the killing of the teacher in africa who let her students name a bear muhhamad or the outrage over a cartoon in denmark or wherever it was the peacefull muslums are pretty quite for the most part. It just seems that if the majority are peacefull they are very quite when it comes to disowning the radical minority
 
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