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Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

However, I realize too that the very people I am "rooting" for, in spirit in their struggle against their theocratic dictatorship, are the same people who would like nothing more than to give each and American an acid bath.

That couldn't be further from the truth. Are you for real or just trolling?
 
However, I realize too that the very people I am "rooting" for, in spirit in their struggle against their theocratic dictatorship, are the same people who would like nothing more than to give each and American an acid bath. Let's not pretend we're all friends here. I'm still pissed about the hostage taking 30 years ago.

CA many of the people protesting in the streets of Iran weren't even alive in 1979, and just as many were too young back then to actually have an intelligent opinion one way or the other about their nation or the U.S.

The men in charge of Iran today, the ones these crowds are trying to bring down, they are the ones you should be angry about. There were active members of the 1979 Revolution. The protesters offer a new hope for that nation.
 
No, and that's just the way Obam.....I mean, the mullahs want it.

What exactly are you insinuating here? No need to try and be sly, just say it.
 
meanwhile, in order to be victorious they need to be as commited as the fanatical religious nuts who seized power in 79. That is where I see this coming up short, unfortunately
 
meanwhile, in order to be victorious they need to be as commited as the fanatical religious nuts who seized power in 79. That is where I see this coming up short, unfortunately



It took a few weeks of riots to get to that point in 1979. But yes they have to be willing to pick up guns and kill people or it will not go anywhere significant.


Most recent "news" I saw was that Mousavi/Rafanjani are directly confronting amhnut/Khamenie in an internal power struggle. Important in that it further destabilizes the situation and further removes it from a mere matter of an election to a matter of the theocracy. Whether the people want to replace one loon with another loon or remove the entire system of loons is the question at hand.
 
CA many of the people protesting in the streets of Iran weren't even alive in 1979, and just as many were too young back then to actually have an intelligent opinion one way or the other about their nation or the U.S.

The men in charge of Iran today, the ones these crowds are trying to bring down, they are the ones you should be angry about. There were active members of the 1979 Revolution. The protesters offer a new hope for that nation.

Unless I stand corrected, I believe that their guy, whom they believe the election was stolen from, was also a part of the movement that took our hostages. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

To hell with Iran. They hate us.
 
Unless I stand corrected, I believe that their guy, whom they believe the election was stolen from, was also a part of the movement that took our hostages. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

To hell with Iran. They hate us.

CA, he was the best alternative the Mullah's gave the people. I don't think anyone is saying he is the embodiment of the movement, they aren't just out there for him.

They are out there because the Guardian Council stole their vote and their voice. They were summarily dismissed as inconsequential and the are pissed. Mousavi is one man in the process...nothing more. It could have been anyone else and it wouldn't have mattered. The Mullah's had their man, everyone else was irrelevant.

This isn't really about Mousavi.
 
isn't it really all bull**** anyways
isnt the Iranian president just a puppet for the Ayatollahs
can one puppet really be any better than another puppet
 
isn't it really all bull**** anyways
isnt the Iranian president just a puppet for the Ayatollahs
can one puppet really be any better than another puppet
Who cares?
If it makes the people rebel the regime, it's good for the West.
 
If it gets all the young people slaughtered, who is it good for?
I was kinda speaking on the concept of a different Iran, and not on the trail of corpses that will lead to it.
 
I was kinda speaking on the concept of a different Iran, and not on the trail of corpses that will lead to it.

Unfortunately, the most likely result of a revolution in Iran would be a trail of corpses and no change.

Also, I think you have to take into consideration things like trails of corpses when you suggest an action.
 
Unfortunately, the most likely result of a revolution in Iran would be a trail of corpses and no change.
How can a result of a revolution be "no change"?
That doesn't make sense, revolution is change.
Also, I think you have to take into consideration things like trails of corpses when you suggest an action.
Good things are worth fighting and dying for.
I remind you that America's birth was full of corpses.
And besides, the current Iranian regime will lead its nation to a war that would probably cause even more corpses than the rebellion.
 
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How can a result of a revolution be "no change"?
That doesn't make sense, revolution is change.

Only if successful.

Good things are worth fighting and dying for.
I remind you that America's birth was full of corpses.
And besides, the current Iranian regime will lead its nation to war, that would probably cause even more corpses.

All true, but that does not mean we can discount those corpses.
 
Only if successful.
And we hope that it will.
Just because there's a chance for it to fail doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage the protesters.
All true, but that does not mean we can discount those corpses.
Nobody discounts them, they are taken into mind.
The result would totally worth it.

What you are saying is almost like saying that we shouldn't send our soldiers to fight terrorists because they might die.
The protesters take the risk of death, just like the soldiers, in order to change.
 
And we hope that it will.
Just because there's a chance for it to fail doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage the protesters.
Nobody discounts them, they are taken into mind.
The result would totally worth it.

What you are saying is almost like saying that we shouldn't send our soldiers to fight terrorists because they might die.
The protesters take the risk of death, just like the soldiers, in order to change.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.
 
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.
I don't think we can speak of its chance to succeed at the present.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Besides, it's not even our call.
The Iranian people desire a change and we will be there in the background to give them our support.
 
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I believe a revolution in Iran at this time is almost certain to fail, and no one gains.
Revolutions succeed when the people are possessed of sufficient will and not one moment sooner.

Whether that moment is now in Iran is something only the Iranians can determine.

If the protests continue, if there are repeated strikes, if the tensions continue, the revolution will succeed, and the Islamic Republic will fall.

This time may very well be the time for revolution to succeed in Iran.
 
Revolutions succeed when the people are possessed of sufficient will and not one moment sooner.

Whether that moment is now in Iran is something only the Iranians can determine.

If the protests continue, if there are repeated strikes, if the tensions continue, the revolution will succeed, and the Islamic Republic will fall.

This time may very well be the time for revolution to succeed in Iran.

It takes a bit more than just will. It takes leadership and weapons as well, to name just a couple.
 
It takes a bit more than just will. It takes leadership and weapons as well, to name just a couple.
Leadership yes. Weapons...not so much.

Iran 1979
Philippines 1986 "People Power" Revolution
Romania 1989
Czechoslovakia 1989 "Velvet Revolution"

Iran 2009???? One can only hope.
 
A wait and see attitude or passivism helps no one even the one who promotes it from the outside, like Obama has done for the most part so far. Where would the U.S.A. be if France had not helped us in the American Revolutionary War?
Guns might help in Iran but a few well chosen words of encouragement to the protesters without the fear of upsetting the Ayatollah might help more. We have nothing to fear from Iran except fear it's self and then only in the eyes of Obama. Militarily Iran is no better than Iraq was.
The people on Iran didn't like the Shah but they have learned to hate some of the currant leaders as much.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
Sir Winston Churchill
 
Something I made to support the Iranian peoples fight against Tyranny.


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I wonder how the Iranian's felt when it was our government flogging American protesters in the street, knocking them senseless with high-pressure water hoses and police batons and killing our college kids at Kent State?

In the annals of history, that really wasn't that long ago.

Something tells me they really didn't lose a lot of sleep over that.

Call me jaded. :roll:
 
I wonder how the Iranian's felt when it was our government flogging American protesters in the street, knocking them senseless with high-pressure water hoses and police batons and killing our college kids at Kent State?

In the annals of history, that really wasn't that long ago.

Something tells me they really didn't lose a lot of sleep over that.

Call me jaded. :roll:

Kent state and racial oppression by U.S. police was decades ago, literally. I would imagine there are very few among the opposition that were alive during that time. The majority of the country wasn't even alive back then if I read some statistics right the other day. And those that are old enough to have remembered it probably didn't even know about it when it was occurring. Mass communication is much different now than it was back in 1970.
 
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