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Mousavi wins Iran election with 65 percent of vote: top aide

Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

Um they have regular state sponsored "death to America" rallies in Iran.

So? Such rallies have always been around
There are death to 'UK' rallies all over ME and has been there for some time.

Hand on heart, do you really think Iran would attack a country with the most Nukes in the world AND has had a history of using it?
I don't think so.

Iran is all talk no action. It hasn't started a war for decades.
 
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Well, from what I've read, Iranian polls are notoriously misleading. The same thing happened las time Ahmadinejad was elected. The polls in no way showed that he was ahead.

Anyway, this totally sucks for Iran. Very disappointing results.
 
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Why should we be worried?
You don't have as much time and insulation as you think. The next generation Shahab missile will include Europe in its target universe. This is precisely why the normally passive European Union is almost frantic it its carrot/stick approach to Iran's nuclear ambitions.
 
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You don't have as much time and insulation as you think. The next generation Shahab missile will include Europe in its target universe. This is precisely why the normally passive European Union is almost frantic it its carrot/stick approach to Iran's nuclear ambitions.

It hasn't even got Nukes yet, it'll take years to get to that stage

But would they use it? I doubt it seeing it is not the west that seemed to have inspired their new found love of Nukes
 
Different titles, different people, same general procedure.

Really we have an unelected head of state and all national candidates must be pre-screened by an organization which is half selected by that unelected leader and the other half is selected by pre-screened electorates who were vetted by that very same organization? :roll:

Nobody in the U.S. gets within actual winning distance of the White House that hasn't been properly groomed and vetted by one of the Establishment's 'parties'.

Ya um, ever hear of a primary? It is the citizenry within the party who decide who wins the primary.

That definitely includes Obama as well, despite all the smoke and hubris put out by the likes of Daily Kos and the National Review.

The last big scare for the Establishment was George McGovern, due to a weakness in the Democratic Party's procedures, but that flaw was corrected in 1984, by implementing the 'Super Delegate' scheme, which once and for all made any sort of populist threat from that wing utterly impossible.

Candidates unsupported by superdelegates are often the winners of the primaries. For example John Kerry won the primary even though Howard Dean had the backing of the superdelegates.

The two systems are not even remotely the same, there is nothing like the Guardian council or the Supreme Leader within the U.S. electoral system.
 
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It hasn't even got Nukes yet, it'll take years to get to that stage

But would they use it? I doubt it seeing it is not the west that seemed to have inspired their new found love of Nukes

Do you know who the Twelvers are? Of course they'll use it.
 
Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

So? Such rallies have always been around

So you said that they haven't threatened the U.S. or the West.

There are death to 'UK' rallies all over ME and has been there for some time.

Hand on heart, do you really think Iran would attack a country with the most Nukes in the world AND has had a history of using it?

I think Khomeni can answer that better than I can:

“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”
-- Ayatollah Khomeini

Do you know what the twelver sect is? They believe it is their duty to cause great instability to bring about the coming of the 12th Iman aka the Mahdi.


I don't think so.

Iran is all talk no action. It hasn't started a war for decades.

They have committed numerous acts of war against the U.S. and Israel since 1979 and continue to till this very day.
 
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It hasn't even got Nukes yet, it'll take years to get to that stage

But would they use it? I doubt it seeing it is not the west that seemed to have inspired their new found love of Nukes
You'd be surprised at the threat a nuclear Iran poses for Europe.
The nuclear arms race in the ME that would follow, and right after that, the terrorists who would put their hands on the Nukes.
I can tell that they would have quite a lot of western folks in their "to nuke" list.

The UK is just as much as threatened by the Iranian nukes,
and the only difference between the UK and Israel is that Israel has the most advanced anti-missile technologies, deployed all over its territory.
Where do you think the American aid-money is going to?
American-Israeli developed technologies, especially from the kind of the Arrow system.

Don't get me wrong, Israel doesn't want Iran to have nukes, but it is you who should worry and do something about it.
It's really nice to pretend that they won't come for you and just ignore the reality, but just don't say that Israel didn't warn Europe when the mushroom clouds would appear all over the region.
 
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Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

Now there's a rigged election. Record disapproval ratings. High youth voter turnout.

And Disco Stu wins?

R-I-G-G-E-D.

The 67% for Disco Stu is clearly rigged. If the Mullahs were not scared, they wouldn't have shutdown text messaging, facebook, Myspace and other non-controlled news outlets.
A high turnout is usually not good for the incumbent. So WTF?
 
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Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

Leftists ought to rejoice that Iminajihad was re-elected. They still have a anti-Semite ally running Iran.
 
How many Iranian election threads do we need?
 
How many Iranian election threads do we need?
As many as it takes to convince people that we have a fairly good system in need of reform and that the Iranians are not ready for self government..
 
Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

Leftists ought to rejoice that Iminajihad was re-elected. They still have a anti-Semite ally running Iran.
Israel tacticians want Mahmoud Ahmadinejad win
A SENIOR Israeli official said yesterday the consensus among his colleagues in Jerusalem was that a victory for the hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the Iranian elections would be in Israel's best interest.
"There is no one who has served Israel's information program better than him," wrote columnist Ben Caspi in the daily Ma'ariv yesterday.

Israeli security officials note that decisions regarding major issues such as the nuclear program are made in Iran not by the president, regardless of who he is, but by Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and a small group of senior clerics.

"From an operational point of view, it doesn't make a difference who wins," said one official. And a Foreign Ministry official who deals with the Iranian issue said: "From an informational point of view, he (Ahmadinejad) is the best thing that's happened to us."
Israel tacticians want Mahmoud Ahmadinejad win | The Australian
They are Happy about the outcome?
 
Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

This stinks of election fraud. Looking at the polls on wikipedia, Ahmadinejad won by a bigger margin than anyone projected. The polls in Iran appear quite inaccurate, but this better than anything projected. Furthermore, the amount of votes gained by the smaller candidates is quite a bit smaller than most of the polls as well.

This is going to be hard to swallow for the populace. Mousavi was not a radical, he simply offered a less aggressive stance in the foreign policy arena. There is no indication that he was going to recognize Israel or dismantle the nuclear program. If he had actually been objectionable, the guardian council would not have allowed him to run. It is clear that even small changes are not allowed to be made by the voting populace.

The Iranian youth are going to have to take a long hard look on exactly how they are treated by their government. Facing such a blow, even after following the strict guidelines to prevent any major upset, won't be easy to take.
 
As many as it takes to convince people that we have a fairly good system in need of reform and that the Iranians are not ready for self government..
What the hell are you talking about?
 
Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

I'm so sad.

I thought our glorious leader would be able to change the outcome of the Iranian elections with one of his lofty speeches.

Reality sucks.
 
Wow, did someone jump the gun with this thread. Just a little maybe.

"Dewey Defeats Truman!" :rofl

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Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

Don't get me wrong, Israel doesn't want Iran to have nukes, but it is you who should worry and do something about it.

UK is not in as much danger as Israel, you are the num 1. target not us.
Israel fears Iran getting Nukes and its consequences of an Arms race on other Arab countries.
So technically it is your country which should worry more than Europe.

Sure, in years time they'd have the ability to take us out assuming we don't release our nukes on them but we all know which country would get it first.
It is in Israel's interest more than the worlds imo this whole fiasco with Iran and therefore we should allow Israel to deal with it and not waste our time, effort, money or soldiers to defend anyone but ourselves.
 
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UK is not in as much danger as Israel, you are the num 1. target not us.
Israel fears Iran getting Nukes and its consequences of an Arms race on other Arab countries.
So technically it is your country which should worry more than Europe.

Sure, in years time they'd have the ability to take us out assuming we don't release our nukes on them but we all know which country would get it first.
It is in Israel's interest more than the worlds imo this whole fiasco with Iran and therefore we should allow Israel to deal with it and not waste our time, effort, money or soldiers to defend anyone but ourselves.
The Iranians are not that dumb.
They release a nuke at Israel, the anti-missile batteries take the missile down and Israel makes one big radiation zone out of Iran.
They release a nuke at some European country, however, and there's nothing to stop that nuke from hitting its target.
Iran uses Israel as their excuse for support from the Muslim world.

And again, it's not just the Iranian threat, but everything that would come with it.
I remind you that the UK is not safe from terrorism(London bombing).
Just imagine how would it be if those terrorists have nukes.
 
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I remind you that the UK is not safe from terrorism(London bombing).
Just imagine how would it be if those terrorists have nukes.

And it works as well, who's fault is that? Isreal seems to hand them ways to allow Iran to gain its popularity. Hezbollah war, Gaza .... It was Iran's side that came out strong and Israel's actions weakened the Sunni side

That was a homegrown threat and occured because of UK backing US in Iraq.
Yeah ... because young niave Muslims from North London will have Nukes to use on London.
 
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And it works as well, who's fault is that? Isreal seems to hand them ways to allow Iran to gain its popularity. Hezbollah war, Gaza .... It was Iran's side that came out strong and Israel's actions weakened the Sunni side
You're saying this as if Israel started those wars.
If anything it was Hamas and Hizbullah who gave support to Iran, and not the Israeli reaction.
That was a homegrown threat and occured because of UK backing US in Iraq.
Call it however you wish, it was terrorism and it was targeting the UK. THE HORROR.
Yeah ... because young niave Muslims from North London will have Nukes to use on London.
Terrorists are many kinds of people, not only "young naive Muslims from Northern London"
And yes, they could easily get their hands on a nuke in case a nuclear arming race would take place in the ME.
 
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And it works as well, who's fault is that? Isreal seems to hand them ways to allow Iran to gain its popularity. Hezbollah war, Gaza .... It was Iran's side that came out strong and Israel's actions weakened the Sunni side

So what was Israel supposed to do ignore the hundreds of rockets flying into Israel civilian sectors? If there was no mainstream support within Lebanon for Hezbollah prior to the 2nd Lebanese/Israeli war then that war would never have occurred because Hezbollah would have been destroyed by the Lebanese people themselves.

That was a homegrown threat and occured because of UK backing US in Iraq.
Yeah ... because young niave Muslims from North London will have Nukes to use on London.

That was not a homegrown event, those people never considered themselves as citizens of the U.K. but rather citizens of the Ummah fighting for the global Jihad against the infidel. That event occurred not because of UK backing of the US in Iraq that occurred because those people were members of the global Jihad who heralded OBL's call to kill westerners. The Jihadists kill the infidel for one reason because they believe it is ordained by god to do so. If there was no war in Iraq, no Israel, and no troops in Saudi Arabia the Jihad of the Islamic Imperialist expansionists would still exist just as it has existed non-stop for the last fifteen hundred years.
 
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You're saying this as if Israel started those wars.
If anything it was Hamas and Hizbullah who gave support to Iran, and not the Israeli reaction.

I'm not about to start on who started the wars but the bottom line is Israel is partly responsible by its actions in enabling and helping Iran gain its influence across the ME
It made Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. look weak and pathetic and it was Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas who came out of it looking pretty good.

Call it however you wish, it was terrorism and it was targeting the UK. THE HORROR.
Terrorists are many kinds of people, not only "young naive Muslims from Northern London"
And yes, they could easily get their hands on a nuke in case a nuclear arming race would take place in the ME.

Actually you citied the London bombings.
I am telling you facts. It was young British Muslims, not Al Qaeda, not Taliban, not Iran

No they can't, they couldn't even make a decent bomb and had to dump it let alone get a hold of Nukes. Do you know how big those things are?
 
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So what was Israel supposed to do ignore the hundreds of rockets flying into Israel civilian sectors? If there was no mainstream support within Lebanon for Hezbollah prior to the 2nd Lebanese/Israeli war then that war would never have occurred because Hezbollah would have been destroyed by the Lebanese people themselves.

Hezbollah came out of the war looking as it was the victor, Very well done to withstand from Israel's full frontal assult. Got a murderer and prisoners in exchange of the two dead soldiers.

That was not a homegrown event, those people never considered themselves as citizens of the U.K. but rather citizens of the Ummah fighting for the global Jihad against the infidel. That event occurred not because of UK backing of the US in Iraq that occurred because those people were members of the global Jihad who heralded OBL's call to kill westerners. The Jihadists kill the infidel for one reason because they believe it is ordained by god to do so. If there was no war in Iraq, no Israel, and no troops in Saudi Arabia the Jihad of the Islamic Imperialist expansionists would still exist just as it has existed non-stop for the last fifteen hundred years.

The Mi6 and report itself stated it.

They were radicalized in Mosque in UK, Flew to Pakistan and got training and came back prepared to kill.
I doubt it, if there was no Israel there would be no Hamas because no Israel would mean no need for Palestinians to turn to terror, no hezbollah as Lebanon occupation wouldn't have occured to trigger its existence, no troops in Saudi Arabia and Osama bin laden wouldn't have been radicalized as that was the cause along with Afghan war ...
 
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Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

From what is now coming out about Mousavi I could really care less about him not getting elected as it wouldn't have made a difference anyways, he was not a moderate, under his watch as Prime Minister 30,000 political dissidents were killed and he is certainly not a secularist in that he was a member of a council which changed the Constitution to drastically increase the Supreme Leaders powers.

Viva Marze Por Gohar!!!
 
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