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Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

So congratulations. You just succeeded in proving my point. "They respect marriages and people who respect marriages."

So, what I see here is that this woman was far from extreme until the hysterical caterwauling extreme pushed her into a position where she had to seek social support from a rather exrtreme group. :shrug:

I can't say I hold that against her.

OMG! You cannot be serious? Poor Little Carrie got such a backlash that she has to run off and seek comfort in a HATE Group! Give me a break. :2razz:
 
OMG! You cannot be serious? Poor Little Carrie got such a backlash that she has to run off and seek comfort in a HATE Group! Give me a break. :2razz:

.....So....the....****.....what? Who was she going to run to? You? Me? A liberal pro-gay marriage group? Why do you care what she thinks of gay marriage so much? Seriously. Stop focusing on such petty bull**** and consider that getting gay marriage on the table is a lot more important then what this trick has to say. Grow the **** up.
 
OMG! You cannot be serious? Poor Little Carrie got such a backlash that she has to run off and seek comfort in a HATE Group! Give me a break. :2razz:

They aren't a hate group. They are a political action group just like a pro gm group would be.
 
They aren't a hate group. They are a political action group just like a pro gm group would be.

Yes, and ACTIVIST group bent on getting gay marriage prevented.

At least be honest and now say that she is an activist to getting gay marraige prevented.
 
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Please, show us Prejean's intellect.

I was more concerned with your implication that women are destined for porn if they aren't ivy league material.

But yeah, such gross displays of misogyny and hatred are so something to laugh about. You're like so cool.
 
Yes, and ACTIVIST group bent on getting gay marriage prevented.

At least be honest and now say that she is an activist to getting gay marraige prevented.

I don't see her as an activist at all.
 
Yes, and ACTIVIST group bent on getting gay marriage prevented.

At least be honest and now say that she is an activist to getting gay marraige prevented.

And....what? She's an uneducated, air headed pageant contestant who will probably end up being the trophy wife of some equally uneducated rich idiot like Donald Trump. Seriously. She's a nobody. You're wasting your time.
 
.....So....the....****.....what? Who was she going to run to? You? Me? A liberal pro-gay marriage group? Why do you care what she thinks of gay marriage so much? Seriously. Stop focusing on such petty bull**** and consider that getting gay marriage on the table is a lot more important then what this trick has to say. Grow the **** up.

There are many Christian groups that aren't activist groups trying to get gay marriage prevented.

She could have ran to them. She instead let an anti-gay marriage group, use her as their spokesperson. That is not something a Pageant winner is supposed to do, alienate a demographic.
 
And....what? She's an uneducated, air headed pageant contestant who will probably end up being the trophy wife of some equally uneducated rich idiot like Donald Trump. Seriously. She's a nobody. You're wasting your time.

Fine, but she went against what the pageant was about, doing such. The pageant is not about alienating gays.

She chose an activist group, that's her choice. Drop it, she's not their pageant material.
 
There are many Christian groups that aren't activist groups trying to get gay marriage prevented.

She could have ran to them. She instead let an anti-gay marriage group, use her as their spokesperson. That is not something a Pageant winner is supposed to do, alienate a demographic.

.....ummmm dude. I honestly don't care who she is. She probably wouldn't be able to name her district's representative much less give a compelling argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve the religious definition of it. Seriously. She's irrelevant and petty.
 
.....ummmm dude. I honestly don't care who she is. She probably wouldn't be able to name her district's representative much less give a compelling argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve the religious definition of it. Seriously. She's irrelevant and petty.

Then you shouldn't care what people think of her. Yet it is quite clear you do.
 
They aren't a hate group. They are a political action group just like a pro gm group would be.

Sorry Jall...I have to disagree with you here. Any group that actively seeks to deny rights and privileges to another group based on race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation is a hate group.
 
I was more concerned with your implication that women are destined for porn if they aren't ivy league material.

But yeah, such gross displays of misogyny and hatred are so something to laugh about. You're like so cool.
Ivy league? Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. She is not even state university material.
 
Sorry Jall...I have to disagree with you here. Any group that actively seeks to deny rights and privileges to another group based on race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation is a hate group.

They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.
 
I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

I can understand why you do, but who decides what is noble or not? I'm sure those that think blacks shouldn't marry whites think they are doing something noble as well.

I had a neighbor not too long ago (about 7 months ago) that firmly believed whites and other races shouldn't mixed, so he would consider the KKK noble.

Noble is Subjective to say the least. Doing something noble, doesn't mean it is good.
 
They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.


You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
Their "perception" didn't change the reality.

I appreciate where you are coming from Jall...but unfortunately, we have tried to take the "high road" and it has gotten us nowhere. We can't *****foot around these groups anymore. They have to be called out for what they are.
 
I can understand why you do, but who decides what is noble or not? I'm sure those that think blacks shouldn't marry whites think they are doing something noble as well.

I had a neighbor not too long ago (about 7 months ago) that firmly believed whites and other races shouldn't mixed, so he would consider the KKK noble.

Noble is Subjective to say the least. Doing something noble, doesn't mean it is good.

As I said...I can live with their misguided beliefs.

I will not look at these people as some kind of modern KKK. I find it highly offensive to my sense of virtue that those least vested in this outcome are the fastest to sling mud at them.
 
They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.
The KKK just have misguided perceptions. Their intentions for white supremacy are noble because they think they are protecting something. Nothing to look down on them about. :?

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You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
Exactly. They believed they were "protecting god's creation." They believed their god to have created separate races for a reason. There would be members who run the spectrum from outright hate to absurd beliefs. The same is true of anti-gay groups.
 
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You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
Their "perception" didn't change the reality.

I appreciate where you are coming from Jall...but unfortunately, we have tried to take the "high road" and it has gotten us nowhere. We can't *****foot around these groups anymore. They have to be called out for what they are.

I would caution you against sinking...hate is a very strong word and I have no inclination nor proof that tells me this issue is about hate, universally.
 
The KKK just have misguided perceptions. Their intentions for white supremacy are noble because they think they are protecting something. Nothing to look down on them about. :?

If that's what you want to believe, go right ahead. I won't stop you from being a hysteric if it will make you happy.
 
I would caution you against sinking...hate is a very strong word and I have no inclination nor proof that tells me this issue is about hate, universally.

On one level I agree with you and on the other I disagree strongly.

The anti-gay marriage crowd consists primarily of hate groups sprinkled with a dose of ignorance. There are very very few people against gay marriage that don't fit into one of the two groups.
 
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